Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2020-03

Copyright and deletion discussions needing community input in March 2020
The following copyright discussions and proposed deletion discussions have been open for more than 14 days, and with more than 14 days since the last comments, without a clear consensus having emerged. This is typically (but not always) because the issue is not clear cut or revolves around either interpretation of policy, personal preference within the scope afforded by policy, or other judgement calls (possibly in the face of imperfect information). In order to resolve these discussions it would be valuable with wider input from the community.

Copyright discussions require some understanding of copyright and our copyright policy, but often the sticking points are not intricate questions of law so one need not be an intellectual property lawyer to provide valuable input (most actual copyright questions are clear cut, so it's usually not these that linger). For other discussions it is simply the low number of participants that makes determining a consensus challenging, and so any further input on the matter would be helpful. In some cases, even "I have no opinion on this matter" would be helpful in that it tells us that this is a question the community is comfortable letting the generally low number of participants in such discussions decide.


 * Copyright discussions (WS:CV)
 * Philosophical Writings: Translators modern unpublished translation, or possible gifted translation (open since 23 July 2019)
 * Index:Civil Rights Movement EL Text.pdf (open since 1 September 2019)
 * Bethesda Statement on Open Access Publishing (open since 3 September 2019)
 * Little Bunny Foo Foo (open since 1 December 2019)
 * This discussion primarily needs research help to identify the authors and first publication (for copyright purposes) of the songs and rhymes in the work used to scan-back Little Bunny Foo Foo. After all the effort put into saving this it would be real shame to lose it just because we couldn't pinpoint all the authors. See User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox/Day Camping for the Retarded, and chime in to the discussion to help determine how we should handle it.
 * Category:Minsk agreements (open since 3 January 2020)
 * Documents on the Struggle of the Macedonian People for Independence and a Nation-State (open since 29 January 2020)
 * The Magic Mountain (open since 11 February 2020)
 * Note this discussion is regarding apparent outright fraud by DLI and how we deal with it, and as such is broader than the fate of a single work.


 * Proposed deletions (WS:PD)
 * Template:Chart (open since 19 July 2019)
 * Airasia flight QZ 8501 passenger manifest (open since 31 July 2019)
 * Template:Cl-act-p (open since 17 August 2019)
 * This is primarily waiting for input from the templates' creator.
 * Constitution of Rojava (open since 9 October 2019)
 * History of Delaware County (open since 13 January 2020)
 * Chinese emperors (open since 15 January 2020)
 * Template:Realign OCR (open since 22 January 2020)
 * The Daughter of Heaven (open since 4 February 2020)
 * Help:Wikilivres and Template:Wikilivres (open since 14 February 2020)

Note that while these are discussions that have lingered the longest without resolution, all discussions on these pages would benefit from wider input. Even if you just agree with everyone else on an obvious case, noting your agreement documents and makes obvious that fact in a way the absence of comments does not. The same reasoning applies for noting your dissent even if everyone else has voted otherwise: it is good to document that a decision was not unanimous.

In short, I encourage everyone to participate in these two venues! --Xover (talk) 10:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Britannica
Those of you who work on EB content might enjoy: High Performance Computing meets Encyclopaedia Britannica. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-10
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Problems
 * Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 March. It will be on all wikis from 5 March (calendar).

Future changes
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and in a mandatory  situation
Hi All,

In the Treaties & Conventions pages of US Statutes at Large Vol. 33 (and I would assume in many other volumes of the same work), bilingual treaties are presented in two columns, with each English paragraph carefully typeset alongside its matching block of text in the other language. Of course, just so it wouldn't be easy to edit in Wikisource 116 years later, treaties are generally preceded on page 1 by a single column English preamble and finished on the last page by single column English proclamation/enactment language - or, if there are protocols or amendments, the last page can be double/single/double/single. You get the point... (and to any Brits out there who may be adherents of George Bernard Shaw, sorry - it would appear that we do in fact speak the same language - US/British treaties get a single column!) This appears to me to be a situation which mandates the use of - however much buttock-curdling crumpet toasting  may threaten me with ;-) - because the typesetting structure itself here conveys real meaning.

My problem is with and  in this context. I know they're no longer needed in ordinary situations, but (unless my tests were inaccurate) they are needed in a scenario. However, when I use them, I get a rogue carriage return. If you look at numbered paragraph 8 of Article II in the sandbox, you will see the unwanted  between "to wrongfully and" and "willfully". The source and  can be found here and here.

I think it must be coming from the trailing at the end of all but the last page in the sandbox selection of pages (one whole treaty with Brazil). In the Page: namespace, I have put all the and  template calls (where possible) in the headers and footers (just as I learned to do with  and  ), and it certainly seems to work neatly, with only 2 columns behaving themselves well throughout in the sandbox example. However, this has required - according to my experience - a template call at the end of the body of each page to avoid having dozens of columns across when we finally transclude. Any ideas as to how I might solve this would be gratefully accepted! Thanks CharlesSpencer (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * This is going to be tricky because that you need is this:

Page 1, Col 1 Page 2, Col 1

Page 1, Col 2 Page 2, Col 2


 * but what you have (due to the sequentialism of the transclusion) is:

Page 1, Col 1

Page 2, Col 2

Page 2, Col 1

Page 2, Col 2


 * Perhaps a way to do this correctly might be to use LST to manually transclude the paragraphs into the multicol in the main namespace, so that the end result is the first example. Fiddly, though. Inductiveload— talk/contribs  16:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The multicol family of templates builds a fairly simple HTML table. In particular, multicol-section starts a new row of the table. Thus you see that "to wrongfully and" is in one row, but then "willfully" is in the row below it, because multicol-section is placed between the two phrases. When I use multicol in multi-page scenarios, I only place multicol-section between paragraphs. This does sometimes require some large chunks of text to be placed on different pages (using  and  ), but that is necessary in order to make it actually work properly. Essentially, you would use hwe-style logic for the whole paragraph, instead of just the single word. See, for example, the page break at the end of Page:Manualofprayersf00cath.djvu/617. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Why are we transcribing the other language here? That would be transcribed at the relevant wiki that handles that language.  They would be joined together by the interwiki tool and use of anchors. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:30, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * My experience is that formatting templates of other language wikisources are incompatible with en.ws environment and so what you suggest never worked with me. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I did say "anchors" not formatting. mw:Extension:DoubleWiki / mul:Wikisource:DoubleWiki Extension is/was simply to allow side by side and alignment, and I was meaning no more than that. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but I have not understood your point and the mul:Wikisource:DoubleWiki Extension is unfortunately written in a very unfriendly language so it has not helped me to understand either. Can you link some example where I can see how it works? Thanks! --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The extension does side by side, just as this work does side by side. So for this work we have the English language work, and the other language at the respective wiki, and the extension can show them side by side. It is not the task for English Wikisource to be transcribing multi-language works, if they need to be done then that has been the role that mulWS has fulfilled. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That is what I understood too, but what I did not is what needs to be done so that the texts were shown side by side. Let’s say that I transcribe an English part here and another part written in a foreign language to another ws. How do I achieve that readers can see the two parts diplayed side by side? Is there any work where it has already been applied so that I can have a look? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything with a language interwiki used to automatically have it. There should be a double-headed arrow for the side-by-side. Not my area of expertise otherwise as the works I don't have interwikis. Hmm, maybe that got fouled up with WD, cannot say that I know. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Now I understand, but I can see here several problems:
 * Looking for example at From the Earth to the Moon, there are several interwikis, but no double-headed arrows, so it looks it does not work anymore.
 * Supposing it is just a bug which can be fixed, I do not know how much the double-headed arrow on the page was prominent or hardly visible, but I suppose that this feature is unknown to many (most) readers as it was unknown to me. I have never noticed the double-headed arrow anywhere.
 * Even if it were fixed, relying on external tools is no good, we never know when they stop working again and Wikimedia cares very little about technical problems of wikisources. So it is imo much better to have the whole work under our roof. It would be different if a broken tool were always fixed quickly (or even fixed at all), but that is just a vain dream. Unfortunately, the more external tools Mediawiki has, the worse is their maintenance.
 * According to your description it worked for pages connected by interwiki through Wikidata. However, subpages with indvidual chapters are never connected in this way, so I suppose it wouldn’t work for them. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:15, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * With regards to the missing double-headed arrows, they do require a bit of site javascript but there is no requirement for the interwiki to come from wikidata. Most wikisources get them by transcluding oldwikisource:MediaWiki:DoubleWiki.js from common.js or using an equivalent, local copy-paste version. English wikisource used to have equivalent code but it seems to have been removed in this edit for some reason. I haven't done a thorough search, so it may been moved to a gadget or something back then but it does seem to be disabled now. Either way, I am relatively sure it is not something you can blame the developers for. Peter Alberti (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * In response to your query about hws/hwe, if they are problematic then don't use them, maybe just use glorified  so just use those judiciously. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-11
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new search word called . You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon.

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Future changes
 * There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.
 * The Wikipedia Android app will do push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will come later this year.

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List of Wikisourcerors by number of edits
Some statistics. Done by User:MZMcBride. --Ratte (talk) 13:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Are the lectures listed at Ian Courtenay Johnston in scope?
Are the lectures listed at Author:Ian Courtenay Johnston (for example On Hašek’s The Good Soldier Švejk) in our scope? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "provided the source is acknowledged and the text is not edited"—no derivatives are permitted, so not compatible with copyright policy —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Quality indicator at the top of edit view page
I am opening a batch of 20+ pages in edit view from THIS PAGE. Is it possible to indicate the page quality anywhere at the top of the window/page? &#32;— Ineuw (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The interface displays the page quality at the bottom for me, near the "Publish changes" button. Isn't that where it should be displayed? The page quality isn't displayed at the top anywhere else on Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson & Sons edition): EPUB-version is empty
EPUB download is broken, it contains only a table of contents. --Ratte (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * EPUB is working, there is something about the work that it is not picking up the chapters. Someone will need to nut it out. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Could it be due to the listen in each chapter? Other pages produce a normal EPUB without it. Hope it will be fixed: this novel is in the top 100. --Ratte (talk) 09:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove it and try, and report back. If it is the problem then we will need to remove those components from the printed output. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed it, but it didn't help. I don't know what to do. We can leave it like that ofc. Ratte (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Auxilliary TOC and TOC row 1-dot-1
I was adding links to individual chapters in the table of contents at Page:The Acts and Monuments of John Foxe Volume 3.djvu/18. There is one chapter which was not included in the origjal TOC, which I wanted to indicate somehow, and so I wrapped it into template. Although it usually works well, this time it did not and the wrapping is not visible. I suspect that the reason is that the template does not cooperate well with. Is there anything that could be done about it? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * With cases like these we cheat. Consider just applying the style used in the template, and then adding it within the Page: ns as a &lt;includeonly> statement. We would generally also "note" the addition. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:56, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-12
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use  to specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).

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 * If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface.
 * You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.

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Problem with IA-Upload?
I'm trying to upload a DJVU file from Archive.org and all links to IA-Upload e.g. IA-Upload seem to be giving me a 301 Permanently Moved message. Is the tool still available somewhere? GreyHead (talk) 11:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Appears to be working again now GreyHead (talk) 10:55, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

FAA Airplane Handbook
Some time ago, a tentative effort was made to convert the FAA Airplane Handbook into a wiki resource, which is located at Airplane Flying Handbook. I feel this project is better suited to Wikisource. This message goes out to anyone interested in completing it. Guywan (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


 * you would need to get a stable pdf at commons there is a 2004 edition at IA  the images will be a problem, is there a copyright statement? Slowking4 ⚔ Rama's revenge 11:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * No idea. The project is abandoned and I was never involved in it (apart from recent formatting). Guywan (talk) 17:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * well you could start by uploading to commons from that IA edition, using IA uploader. https://tools.wmflabs.org/ia-upload/ but be ready for a deletion discussion there, and possible transfer to local wikisource version. they especially do not like jeppeson charts. cheers. Slowking4 ⚔ Rama's revenge 21:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Customisation
It has come to my attention that we still do not have a help page covering Customisation (akin to w:Wikipedia:Customisation). This would be a really useful page to have. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Index:Atlas of skin diseases
There is a problem occurred when uploading through IA Upload tool: Index:Atlas of skin diseases.djvu; the scan pages and OCR are not matching. Please help in solving the problem.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

The Voyage of Italy by Richard Lassels.
Not sure what is needed? see the request below.  Rococo1700 (talk) 18:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The source file should be corrected before proofreading. Else, all the pages will be off by one when the file is corrected. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are not able to correct the file yourself, you can make a request at Scriptorium. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-13
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Problems
 * Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
 * There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).

Future changes
 * There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.

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section tags
does anyone know why section tags i.e. changing to ## and breaking. for example it is a problem, preventing editing of pages. Slowking4 ⚔ Rama's revenge 21:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * We've had some editors in the past have this problem, but others could not replicate the problem at their end. It usually seems to depend upon a combination of the browser and personal settings, but (if I recall) we could not determine exactly the cause the last time this issue came up. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


 * thank you - it apparently was "easy LST" gadget, the editing settings are opaque. Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 00:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Clarification of Authority Control Policies.
I currently see two conflicting pieces of guidance between the authority control template documentation (Authority control) and the wikisource documentation (Authority control). 1st: The template documentation says for the placement on author pages: "Note: Add below copyright tags." while the WS documentation states: "It should be placed at the end of the page, before the license.". 2nd The template documentation references only "Authors" and "Texts" but the WS documentation says "The authority control template is used on author, portal and book pages." MarkLSteadman (talk) 17:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * At the end of the page. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

1902 Encyclopædia Britannica
I have found and uploaded to Commons PDFs of ten of the eleven volumes of the 10th edition (1902) of Encyclopædia Britannica. As you may know, these actually constitute supplementary volumes to the 9th (1889) edition.

The eleventh file, the index, will not upload; I've made several attempts. Can anyone assist, please?

Once the full set is available, I hope colleagues can make use of them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:27, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ File:1902 Encyclopædia Britannica - Volume 35 - Index.pdf It appears beat me to it. I've added the 1902 EB category to it to match with the others. -Einstein95 (talk) 10:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for categorization. PS. It's a pity that no one is proofreading this wonderful encyclopedia... (even v.1 is all red). Should we nominate it for current collaboration? Ratte (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I cannot agree that it is a shame that it is not being transcribed. We have 9th and 11th eds. Lots more important things out there to transcribe than the 10th. It is very unlikely that we will do any encyclopaedias in our pumped collaborations, such works are too complex to wikilink, they are better as wikiprojects — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * How does having the 9th lessen the importance of the tenth, which is a supplement to it? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Not what I said. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * is it possible to add an appropriate link to Highlights? Ratte (talk) 13:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "We have 9th ... Lots more important things out there to transcribe than the 10th." Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspect that most of the text in the 10th edition was carried over to the 11th edition with relatively few modifications.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Correct. EB1911 is based on 1) preceding editions of the EB, and 2) new additions. Looking at EB1911 comparisons with earlier additions, and some of the article constructs demonstrates this. We are not yet finished either the 9th or the 11th. I am not judging 10th, I am just not rating it a shame that we don't have it in that regard, and we also have a stack of works at WikiProject Biographical dictionaries which I would rate higher. Anyway, as I said, EB10/EB1902 belongs at WikiProjects as a project, like many of our compilations, they will typically outlast individuals so setting up the project has always been beneficial when there is clear design and reproduction components for multi-volume works. Please listen to our experiences in that regard. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Not so; as en.Wikipedia reports: "The 11th edition retained the high scholarship and eminent contributors that marked the 9th edition, but tempered that scholarship with shorter, simpler articles that were more intelligible to lay-readers. Thus, the 9th and 11th editions had 17,000 and 40,000 articles, respectively, although they were roughly equivalent in size." Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * (just as a matter of wikisource history) 11th got pushed, to reference all the cut and pasted articles on wikipedia. less urgency for other encyclopedias, and people moved on to their interests, and cleaning up all the non-scan backed gutenberg imports. expand the project WikiProject Encyclopædia Britannica, tenth Edition, and i will support. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 15:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ratte. How did you manage that, when i could not? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome [[file:Emojione 1F642.svg|16px]] If UploadWizard is out of service, use c:Special:Upload - Source URL. Also bigChunkedUpload should be added to common.js. Ratte (talk) 12:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Here's a start: Index:1902 Encyclopædia Britannica - Volume 25 - A-AUS.pdf. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The Daily Telegraph x London Daily Telegraph
It seems to me that London Daily Telegraph is identical with The Daily Telegraph. May I ask to confirm whether I am right? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 08:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. The Daily Telegraph with no additional words for context is assumed to be the British daily published in London. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So I moved it to the title without "London" as it does not seem to be a part of its official name, and interconnected them in Wikidata. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk quote inline
I have again been caught out by the fact that Template:Talk quote inline does not exist on this project; and repeat my request that it be imported from en.Wikipedia Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ though untested for usage and any missing components. generally if you want an admin to do something it is more noticeable on WS:AN. Here it has to be considered a little of pot luck. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Proofread at last
3,832 days ago today I started work on a chunk of Part 2 of Volume 33 of the US Statutes at Large. Today, thanks to a push from Covid-19 and a whole bunch of templates I wrote for the purpose, I have finally finished proofreading the Private Acts of the Second Session of the 58th Congress. While I have proofread 420 pages, only 4 have been validated, so if anybody felt like giving Validation a try, please do, but may I make a special request? Please, please, please read this template documentation first, and be aware that the vast majority of the almost 1,900 individual private acts are proofread through the use of these templates.

I have, by eye, checked the of each of the 424 pages for a couple of things: missing "side" parameters (which causes the page number not to appear), and making sure that only the standard dash is used in the chapter numbers instead of any OCR-sourced hyphens, or en- or em-dashes. Equally, I hope I've caught all missing "topchap=y" parameters (I told you you should read the template documentation first!) to prevent any unwanted 10em lines at the top of a given page in the Page: namespace. Other than this, because of the use of templates, validation should be super-quick and easy - names, dates, service details and amounts are almost all that varies from chapter to chapter...

Eventually, due to template limitations, we will almost certainly subst: all the templates to resolve down to the underlying text and tags, but only once we have copied the mass of (semi-)structured data to somewhere else first - so please don't use susbt: as part of your validation process. Thank you!

Oh, and if anybody who knows what they're doing would like to help with formatting the final, usable, output, that would be hugely appreciated (without solving the template overflow problem by subst:ing, of course!!). For instance, makes both the chapter numbers and the page number in the header into hotlinks to the same destination. Do we want someone's bot to solemnly create the 424 necessary new pages, named as per the "chapter" parameter of, transcluding only the contents of that page, or am I misunderstanding? Also, the templates automatically create section tags for each whole chapter in the form, plus additional tags for just the title of each chapter itself in the form  , so named section transclusion should be quite simple to implement. CharlesSpencer (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-14
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The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury
Can I work on this file in here. The commons file is : File:The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury.djvu. According to the Archives source it is in Public domain.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 04:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * USGov work, so should be ok. double check image copyright. missing 10 pages, it appears to be a scan without any blank pages. index here Index:The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology-ItsFirstCentury.djvu -- <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 14:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded one of the many AFIP books of Atlas of Tumor Pathology. Index:Tumors of the pituitary gland.djvu But there was a problem of OCR and Scan page mismatch. Can someone help me in correcting the problem.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 09:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * you can go through, and use the google OCR button, which picks up the right text layer. (need to select it at preferences>gadgets>Development (in beta), and it gives you another OCR button on edit tool bar). try a couple, i may circle back and do a pass. cheers. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 21:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not certain that the work is PD-USGov. That it is published by the USGov, doesn't mean that it is the work of the US Gov, and the contractual terms with the authors are unclear, though it is not evident that they are employees of the USGov and have ceded their copyright. Though the terms of the author writing the work for the organisation may have been with the understanding that it was to be USGov. Who knows. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * what kind of proof would you want for certainty? it says "office of the surgeon general, US Army" you realize that the US Army has a history division that produces historical doorstops? i.e. Portal:US Army Lineage Series are you going to speculate that all those retired military authors are going to retain a copyright? doesn't seem to be remotely possible to me, but then i know some of those guys. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 14:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Aircraft in Warfare.
There appears to be two copies of Aircraft in Warfare in the system.

This copy is the most complete Index:Aircraft_in_Warfare_(1916).djvu

whereas this copy is set at Match and Split. Index:Aircraft_in_Warfare.pdf

Should this copy be removed as a duplicate?

Thanks Sp1nd01 (talk) 10:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * go ahead and redirect the pdf to the earlier version. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 13:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do NOT redirect it. We can move the pages over if they are the same edition, and having redirects is just "make work" If they are not the same edition, then we would permit both. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, same edition; we should delete Index:Aircraft in Warfare.pdf and all the pages at special:prefixindex/Page:Aircraft in Warfare.pdf/ as redundant. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've submitted a proposed deletion request for the .pdf version. Sp1nd01 (talk) 18:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, we have the larger problem of duplicated work, since searching / duplicate matching is so poor. we need a list of works wanted, works recently, works needing indexes. doesn't matter to me, but it would be a major turn-away to the unwary.<font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 13:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19
FYI, I have just created Category:COVID-19. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Covid-19: Lightening the load and preparing for the future imo is not in our scope. I suggest to move it from the main namespace somewhere to the Wikisource namespace. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

SCOPE includes:


 * Documentary sources [...] characterized by one of two criteria:
 * They are official documents of the body producing them, or
 * They are evidentiary in nature, and created in the course of events.

which would seem to be easily satisfied by this document. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it looks to me that this is in scope per WS:WWI. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also agree, but the work's title has "Covid" instead of "COVID", which is incorrect case. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It is failthful to the source. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:56, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The source has no title, only a subject line, and uses "COVID-19" throughout the body of the letter. The subject line does not use a colon, but you have placed one in the title of the work. If "faithfulness" is the goal, then there should be square brackets in the title and no colon. The incorrect case in the title makes the letter look amateurish. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:40, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure your argument that the subject line of an email is not its title will make interesting reading. Feel free to move the page so that the title uses square brackets. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I also think the subject line of an email can be considered to be its title. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * But do you believe our local titles must follow the case used in the title of the source? If so, most of our books hosted should have titles in all caps, because that's how book titles are most often printed.  I.e., we'd have THE TRAGEDIES OF EURIPIDES rather than The Tragedies of Euripides since that is how the title appears in the work. I disagree, we routinely standardize the case of our titles, regardless of what the source has.  For acronyms like COVID, the standard in English is all-caps. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just said that the subject line is de facto the title, nothing more. My opinion on capitalizing the decapitalized acronym in the title is following: The name of the page may differ from the title of the work if considered appropriate. One of the widely used customs (not only in Wikisource) is to decapitalize the titles. The reverse process, capitalizing what was not capitalized, is not that common even in cases when capital letters are more correct. So I think it is possible, but not necessary to deviate from the original title (or subject line). I guess the authors of the email did not use capital letters because of their carelessness when writing it. If the contributor who added the work thinks that it is worthwile to keep it in the name of the page, I have no problem accepting it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a very insignificant thing, and there are reasonable arguments in either direction. In the interest of minimizing unnecessary arguments, the original contributor's preference should be the deciding factor. -Pete (talk) 18:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "original contributor's preference should be the deciding factor" I try to maintain some distance from any formulation of consensus, but you are comfortable with … what? 'I called shotgun!' CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I was sure I had seen this principle referenced in WS:MOS or similar, but after more hunting than I care to contemplate, I have to concede I don't find it formally documented. (It is a formal practice on enwp, where, for instance, the choice to use British or American English for a given article is typically left to the earliest and/or most prolific author of the article. And I consider it a best practice in any large-scale collaborative endeavor, for many reasons.) Shotgun? Sure, it's comfy enough back here. But more to the point, if I start arguing with you about it, we'll both miss our flights...or we might even piss off the driver to the point he drives away to pick up another fare! -Pete (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. All that hunting did turn up a brief reference to this principle by Jayvdb in 2008, so at least I know I'm not the only one who imagines I see it where it does not formally exist! -Pete (talk) 18:42, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have created Portal:Coronavirus disease 2019 for curated content as a complement to this category. I have placed it under Medicine/Pathology as a sibling to Portal:Malaria (AFAIK, our only other pathological disease-specific portal).
 * I think most of the WHO material which makes up the backbone of the primary documentation is not freely licenced, so I imagine, as usual, most material we can have will be US government documents and anything that counts as an "edict" from around the world. Inductiveload— talk/contribs  14:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Spam whitelist request
What a petty and shameful response to a perfectly reasonable - and long overdue for enactment - request Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * please white list this medium post.
 * furthermore, where is the broad consensus to blacklist medium. where is the history of spamming to justify such a draconian action? who added it to the blacklist? user:Billinghurst? <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 09:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Why has this discussion been closed? I see no resolution to what should be a very simple matter of whitelisting a valid link that never should have been blacklisted. Gamaliel (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * As I read it, "without prejudice" means literally anybody could state where they want to place the link, and as long as there's some kind of merit to it, have a pretty good chance of having it whitelisted. Rather than debate why it was closed, I'd suggest just reopening it by making such a statement. -Pete (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That question is beyond pointless. Once the link is whitelisted, any editor can use it anywhere on Wikisource. And still no good reason has been given why a post by the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation, about the work of the Wikimedia Foundation should remain spam-blacklisted has been given. This is beyond farce. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:02, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I figured commenting here was an attempt to reopen the discussion, no? Gamaliel (talk) 15:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it was not, at least not the way of reopening that Pete has suggested. Similar enormous effort not to disclose one’s intentions always makes me suspicious. Reopening is easy but should not be done without bringing the desired information. I am leaving the discussion now as I have better work to do than persuading somebody to give us some information and Andy needs to be given more time to think about how collaboration works. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 15:51, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What is the proper way of reopening the discussion in this particular forum? The spirit of collaboration would suggest that one assist others and not in just complaining they are not doing it correctly.  Gamaliel (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll step aside too, since I'm not an admin and I don't really care one way or the other about the underlying issue (no matter how many times it's stated in bold). I do think that if somebody expressed a desire to just put the link on Maher's author page, as Billinghurst obliquely suggested back at the start, there's probably some admin who would be willing to whitelist for that purpose...but that's just a guess. ( I think where you said "disclose" above that you meant the opposite -- you might want to double check.) -Pete (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I should not write in a hurry, corrected. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * very well, i object to the requirement to stating why an editor might want to link to medium, but to close that objection i want to quote the executive director of the wikimedia foundation, and provide a reference on my user page. now then, i expect an answer to my question why this was blacklisted. or i will draw the conclusion that the admins here intend to be unaccountable. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 17:32, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

This specific thread was closed because it was going nowhere and was no longer serving any constructive purpose. But as I indicated in the closing comment, that does not prevent anyone from opening a new request ("without prejudice" is lawyer-speak for "the issue can be brought again later"; my apologies for not being clear on that point). To do so you just start a new thread here on the Scriptorium explaining what link you want use, on what page, and for what purpose (the "What is it that you're trying to do that the blacklist prevents you from doing and which the exception would resolve?" bit from the closing comment). The blacklist is a rather blunt instrument so exceptions will certainly be needed from time to time, but in order for the community to assess requests for such exceptions some information and context is needed.And since various comments (here and elsewhere) indicate that this does not actually go without saying, I'll also add that at that point it is the community, and not any individual administrator, that decides whether such an exception is merited or not. I closed this thread for reasons unrelated to the merits of the requested exception, and absolutely encourage anyone make a new request to whitelist that link if they have need of it. That is indeed a lucid explanation and a reasonable thing to request an exception for. Now please go open a new thread with that request. If you also want to discuss whether or not "medium.com" should be on the blacklist at all, or question how and why it was put there to begin with (both reasonable things to bring up for discussion), I would strongly urge you to raise them in separate threads. You'll do as you like, of course, but if you actually want a reasoned discussion it is a very bad idea to mix unrelated issues in a single discussion. Particularly if one or more of them are contentious issues, as your contributions to this thread (and elsewhere) seem to indicate you feel these are. --Xover (talk) 19:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * no, i made my objection well known, right here and now. i would strongly urge you to stop, evading a legitimate white list request. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 19:42, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * And here it is: it is a post by the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation, about the work of the Wikimedia Foundation.
 * Then the closure was doubly improper.
 * I also note that the closure template stated . Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am afraid that the aggressive way of reopening the discussion makes the new start difficult and so it might really be better to go on in new threads and focus on what is essential, leaving emotions behind. Below Vigneron has started the thread and I have started the thread . --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not only is the post you cite not aggressive, but it is also not the post that reopened this discussion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Promoting Wikisource during lockdown
Does anyone know of any good resources for campaigning to get new people on to Wikisource, and onboarding/ training them? It would be a good thing to push during lockdown, as other crowdsourced-transcription sites are doing. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * the other campaigns have social media managers who use twitter to reach out to the public. send people to Proofread of the Month, and we can welcome them. however, wikicode is a barrier to entry. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ⚔ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">Rama's revenge 15:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

So if there is no such resource, who is interested in working on one? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)