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Index:CAB_Accident_Report,_Pennsylvania_Central_Airlines_Flight_19.pdf
I discovered that the scan of page 49 in this project is incorrect, with a scan of page 57 on that page. The rest of the document seems OK outside of that.

The PDF seems to be inaccessible on the DOT database where the document was sourced from, although a different instance of the report is available from the 1st reference on the wikipedia page links to a different copy of the report with that page in tact, being page 56 of that particular PDF. I've done a quick cross-reference of that scan and the separate text layer in the DOT database where the projects original scan came from and it all aligns, suggesting the page in that PDF is the correct one.

I'm fairly new here, hopefully this is the right place to post to get this looked at and fixed up :)

Thanks Nickw25 (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


 * PING COMMUNITY  Anyone have the tools (and patience) to take 56th page (page 49) from here and plugging that into file:CAB Accident Report, Pennsylvania Central Airlines Flight 19.pdf — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Hrishikes (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This section was archived on a request by: — Mpaa (talk) 08:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Index:Emanuel Swedenborg, Scientist and Mystic.djvu
Hello. Is anyone able to do a mass find and replace to replace the following ligatures with the proper text that I have missed whilst proofreading this work. They are the ligatures ﬁ fi and ﬂ fl. Thanks for any help.Jpez (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done.—? Mpaa (talk) 07:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Jpez (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This section was archived on a request by: — Mpaa (talk) 08:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

=Other discussions=

nop, it's overloaded use and possible replacement.
This isn't (yet) an issue, but future versions of the parser could potentially "tidy" blank tag pairs out of generated output entirely, thus possibly including the "tidying" out of the implied paragraph break generated.

nop is also used in three different instances:-
 * 1) is the original intended use, at the end of a page to force a paragaph break
 * 2) in ref tags to force a paragraph break.
 * 3) is at the head of a continued table (to provide a place holder for the pagenumber script, as I understood it.) and to ensure the relevant table element is read correctly.

Whilst the first 2 uses are the same, the third isn't and is a workaround for certain (current) limitations in the parser/Proofread page, ( which have been discussed at least twice here before.)

I've started https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T163073 on my own initiative, given that I felt there should be specific magic tags for overriding the default paragraph handling (like there are tags to indicate NOINDEX or page specfic TOC), in the parser, rather than it relying on a local template.

Feedback would be appreciated, as "community" support helps decide what gets fixed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:39, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The use in ref tags is an incorrect use. This should be done with paragraph tags. With respect to the other usages, has a future problem actually been flagged or are you trying to be preëmptive of something that may never happen? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A lone  will generate "malformed" HTML, according to the Linter Extension's checks (having had to fix over 100 or so pages utilising this quirk, I'm not happy about using it elsewhere., and is courtesy in . and doing    per what's supposed to be done doesn't yet render nicely in references IIRC.

I wasn't aware of the other usages being flagged as a problem as such, but given that the parser is being re-developed anyway, resolving what is a LONG standing limitation (necessitating a local template for something that SHOULD be in the core parser) was felt to be entirely reasonable.

In relation to the usage at a head of a table, this caused some pages to be listed as "fostered content" by the LinterExtension (the first instance of this being one I raised a phab ticket about as I initially thought it was a false positive.) as the lead nop is seen by the relevant checker as NOT being inside a table row or table element, and thus will get moved to the parent element before the table, automatically. This was another quirk behaviour which I understood wasn't necessarily guaranteed to behave the same in the new parser. (I've also had several rows with the parser getting it to handle complex tables( with split header/content/footer) correctly and consistently using the nop route.) Having a magic tag with a CONSISTENT, COHRENT and "documented" behaviour in all contexts, would be far far better than regularly playing 'guess the random interaction relying on Mediwiki behaviour you are supposed to know by mind-reading..' that has been used till now. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately you do go off half-cocked. In all cases "nop" is used as a placeholder, for a variety of elements of wiki syntax. Your continued panicked run-arounds and ill-judged comments at phabricator are not helpful. Don't let Linter drive behavioural editing. The use of a single "p" marker is as old as the hills, and while the modern syntax likes closure, simply don't fuss it. So you don't have to fix anything like that, and you can be happy or not that is solely your choice. If you are not happy doing it, then don't. When you don't know what you are talking about, sometimes you should learn to say nothing. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way, but based on personal experience of trying to get things working on more than one work, I'm increasingly fed up as I said, of playing "hunt the quirk" (which probably shows in the Phabricator tickets).

Time to take another time out. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

" for compatibility with parser tests." - Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 14:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * in all the parser fun, maybe we should take council from user:Tim Starling - "We'll soon be getting rid of Tidy on WMF websites in favour of a pure PHP solution called RemexHtml that I recently wrote. It should eventually become the default for new MediaWiki installations as well. It accepts either form and will initially output "

Save/Publish page
The boilerplate at the foot of the edit window begins
 * By clicking the “Save page” button,...

But there is no “Save page” button. The button being referred to is labeled “Publish page”. Either the boilerplate or the button text should be changed.

The equivalency is obvious to me and probably to most editors, but most ≠ all. I am a (1) highly educated (2) native speaker of American English (3) with 12 years of Wikipedia experience, (4) a career largely spent in the software industry, and (5) a doctorate in linguistics. It may not be so obvious to, e.g., a non-native speaker, or an educated native speaker new to Wikimedia who wonders what the difference is between saving a page and publishing it.

Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 05:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The change from "save page" to "publish page" is a change that has taken place in the last month. It is contained in the message MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning and we are using the default for all wikis.   the global message needs to be updated, and maybe it needs to be done in many languages.  Can we poke that at you for resolution? — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:10, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Whatamidoing (WMF): Noting that this footer used to be Philippe's text, so it may be something to wave past Mdennis (WMF). — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:21, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Whee! Thanks for the quick and helpful answer. :-) --Thnidu (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Noting to community the only overt place that needed change is Mediawiki:Newarticletext which I have just updated. We should be looking through our pages in the Help: namespace for where we may have the "save page" text. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:19, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't making a new page. I was editing Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader/Anglo-Saxon Versification, a couple of typo fixes. (Don't worry, I compared with the scan of the original. Typos like "teh".) What I noted would exist on all edit pages. --Thnidu (talk) 07:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-16
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can add  to the end of the URL on Wikimedia wikis to disable your personal CSS and JavaScript. Example:  . This means you can test if a problem is because of your user scripts or gadgets without uninstalling them.
 * You can now see a list of all autoblocks on Special:AutoblockList.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Wikiversity and Wikinews logos are now shown directly from the configuration and not from . If you want to change logo or have an anniversary logo, see how to request a configuration change. This is how it already works for other projects. They can request logo changes the same way.

Problems
 * Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. You can read more about this. This will also happen on 3 May.

Changes this week
 * There is no new Mediawiki version this week. This is because of the data centre test.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * stats.wikimedia.org will be replaced. You can see the new prototype. You can leave feedback on this change.
 * Page Previews will be turned on for logged-out users on a large number of wikis in May. It could be postponed and happen later. Page Previews shows readers a short part of a linked article when they rest their mouse pointer on the link. This is to help them understand what it is about without leaving the article they are reading. Page Previews used to be called Hovercards. Users who have tested the feature can give feedback.
 * Octicons-tools.svg From next week, user scripts using very old deprecated wikibits functions will show errors. These functions have not worked since 2013. You should fix or disable broken scripts. You can see examples of how to upgrade scripts.

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Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-04
Latest news from the Wikimedia Collaboration team, about Notifications, Flow and Edit Review Improvements. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

What's new?

The fourth fiscal quarter began the first of this month, and Collaboration Team has begun work on our new quarterly goals. In the coming months, we'll be working to release the New Filters for Edit Review beta on all wikis and then to improve the beta as much as possible based on user feedback. On that score, we're planning a round of user interviews on the new tools in May to get detailed information about usability and usefulness. If you've tried the new features and have thoughts, please share them with us in any language.

Our other focus right now is to look at what changes will be needed to spread the new filtering interface to other review pages, especially Watchlist. We're also exploring how to incorporate the tools we didn't include in the new interface in this round, like the Tag Filters, time-frame selector and Namespace filter.

Edit Review Improvements [ More information • Help pages ]

Recent changes
 * New Filters for Edit review are now available on Polish, Portuguese, Persian, Russian and Turkish Wikipedias as a Beta feature. French Wikipedia and Mediawikiwiki have the filters as a Beta feature too, but without the quality and intent filters.
 * Special:RecentChangesLinked now displays a message when no results are found for a given combination of filters.

Problems
 * Polish Wikipedia is experiencing an issue with predictions (quality and intent filters using ORES). The different predictions are in conflict. An edit can be considered as "good" and "bad" at the same time, and the filter levels are somewhat redundant. We have formulated a plan to address this and are working on a fix, which is deployed progressively on Polish Wikipedia.
 * The issue on Polish Wikipedia is shared by a few other wikis: Dutch, Czech and Hebrew, and Wikidata. The deployment for those wikis has been postponed to Tuesday, May 9. Wikis without this predictions problem have been deployed or will be deployed with no change on the schedule.
 * Interestingly, the "problem" with those wikis is that they perform better than we anticipated. Once the fix is in place, the tools will work with particular simplicity on these wikis.

Future changes
 * English Wikipedia and all wikis without ORES prediction services will get the New Filters for Edit review on Monday, April 24.
 * All remaining wikis will get the New Filters for Edit review on Tuesday, May 9.
 * Wikidata edits will be added as a type of change on New Filters for Edit review.

Notifications [ More information • Help pages ]


 * Notifications badges were overlapping other tabs on Internet Explorer 11 and Firefox 3.6, using MonoBook skin. This is now fixed.

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 * Flow is now available as a Beta feature on French Wikiversity.
 * All Flow documentation is now available on one page gathering all information, to help users to search for an information.
 * Flow's AbuseFilter integration now allows blocking a particular user from participating on a talk page, or any topic within it.

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Author pages, wikidata and family name
Hi to all who do work in Wikidata, especially in the creation and editing of author pages over there. I have been looking at the population of "family name" (Property:P734) data as that would be a really useful field for us to utilise here (it equates to our use of lastname in the Author template.)

By my searches, the data looks to be and I think that I added about 1000 yesterday with the use of tools.
 * No family name: 17356 15020 889104 (slow query)
 * With family name: 4196 6553 889108 (slow query)

I would like to ask that anyone adding author data over there to please consider the addition of P734 data, and even creating items for surnames if they are not within the system there. I will look to create the simple WS guide to author addition at WD to assist this process.

My reason for wanting this populated is that when done, we can look to the bot creation of compilation lists, so we can autogenerate lists like Authors-A rather than the porous manual lists we have now. "Given name" and "family name" data populated to WD is required for this to be successful.

Thoughts? Questions? — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * is there a way to mix and match against worldcat or viaf ? Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 20:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * How would this work for people like John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton, surname "Dalberg-Acton" but listed in most indices at "Ac"? Or people whose last names are not generally used for indexing, like the house names of royal families, or the former names of monks and popes? The edge-cases are the places where an automatic solution is likeliest to fail. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In principle, it's not hard to have a default value and then add in a field for . In 99% of cases, it would be fairly straight-forward to sort someone by surname and in a relatively small number of cases, it would be necessary to manually check and redefine it. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * In that case we would need the "alphabetical_sort_override" key to be in Wikidata too, I imagine, so that the indexer-bot can access it. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Noting that Wikidata has hyphenated family names, and I am sure that we can involved in that conversation there about how we wish to utilise data pulls. Noting also that there is still prefered and normal scope. It shouldn't be a blocker to us populating data, it is a fine-tuning matter. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * And noting we already have  in author and then it would how we could utilise. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC: Author template firstname/lastname and the "Such and such of Placename"
Separate though related note. By my review of data for one name people eg. "John of Wendover", we still have varied use, all in firstname, all in lastname, split to both fields.

It is my belief that we should have an accepted practice and be giving specific guidance for such names. I believe that it all belongs in the firstname parameter, with the lastname parameter left empty. My reason being that when presented it should present as a string, it should default sort as that string, and based on firstname.

I know that is a provocative and bold statement, and I would like to hear other opinions about how we can organise the data, strengths and weaknesses of the approaches, so ultimately we can start to tidy up the existing data, and look to monitor the input. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that it ought to be all in firstname with lastname blank, especially if that still sorts correctly. However, I don't see any reason for it to matter, so long as it sorts correctly. The primary difficulty in standardizing is the significant number of people for whom it isn't clear whether it should be counted as a surname or not, since the line is blurry in many cases. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes it sorts properly, where lastname is missing it sorts on firstname. It displays properly. Richard of Wendover should appear at R lists, not O or W. We are clarifying to uses which way to push them, to firstname, not lastname. We are not removing the choice of what is a surname or not; and we will never get 100% purity, though I would like something better than our current 50% (based on users changing one or the other). — billinghurst  sDrewth  15:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Can the publisher be the Library of Congress?
This book Index:Notes of the Mexican war 1846-47-48.djvu doesn't list the publisher but the inside page linings are from the Library of Congress. Could they be the publishers? — Ineuw talk 07:18, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't think they are; it's the same lining as books I know to be published by the Library of Congress, but the scan is from the LoC, and I think it more likely they just using their paper where they were rebinding it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * no - the metadata is frequently wrong at Internet Archive. the LOC catalog link is here https://lccn.loc.gov/02015450 or (OCLC) 2652213 this is a book by J. Jacob. Oswandel, published Philadelphia : [s.n.], 1885. i would blank publisher and add the correct metadata. worldcat works also. LOC does publish materials for their use, such as the Catalog of Copyright Entries, but it is very unlikely, more likely self-published or unknown, especially for war memoir. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 19:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Notice: training event on afternoon of Monday 24th April 2017
Sorry for the short notice, but I will be running a training workshop from 2pm-5pm British Summer Time (GMT +1) at the University of Cardiff, which will involve up to twenty new accounts dropping in and proofreading one page of a text that I've prepared. I will review their edits afterwards and clean up any mess. Thanks, MartinPoulter (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for the heads-up. I see that you have enWP account creator rights, so that is good. Good luck with what you are doing, and we would appreciate any feedback that the newbies have that could assist others; and ! — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-17
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * New filters for recent changes are now available as a beta feature on most wikis. You can turn it on in your preferences. Remaining wikis will have the new filters on 9 May.
 * When administrators, bureaucrats and stewards make a user a member of a user group they can now set an expiry date. A user group is for example "administrators" or "bots". This means that they can give someone user rights for a limited time. This is similar to how blocks and page protections can be limited in time. Special:UserRights will have new options for this. You can read more about user groups.

Problems
 * Since the data centre test last week the content translation tool has been disabled. This is because of a database problem. It will be back as soon as the problem has been solved.

Changes this week
 * The GuidedTour extension will be enabled on all wikis. This is a tool to explain to new users how to edit.
 * Wiktionary will handle interlanguage links in a new way. The Cognate extension will automatically link pages with the same title between Wiktionaries. For this to work all old interlanguage links have to be removed. You can read more about this.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 April. It will be on all wikis from 27 April (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 April at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Local notes
With regards to the ability to do temporary rights any administrator who is assigning themselves the bot user rights should look to make these temporary rights, and I think that the community should have that as a base position. To note that if you wish to give yourself rights for a couple of hours with that finishing on the same day, that you can just add the UTC time  (and it does take YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm as other time if you ever want to be specific). Such temporary rights log as being temporary, and the rights do expire, that the expiry does not show afterwards; and the rights addition in still displays Special:UserRights with a tick at least for a while (purging no difference), though with the expired time. — billinghurst  sDrewth  05:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Requesting the deletion of a file on Wikisource
Please could someone delete File:Taking of Upton Bridge.jpg? I accidentally uploaded it on to Wikisource years ago. There is a version of the same file on Commons. -- PBS (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. For future reference, feel welcome to use sdelete and say it is transwikied. As it is unused we can speedy it. — billinghurst  sDrewth  16:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-18
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The content translation tool works again. It was turned off because of a database problem.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Scripts using very old deprecated wikibits functions show errors. These functions have not worked since 2013. You should fix or disable broken scripts. You can see examples of how to upgrade scripts. This is the same thing as Tech News wrote about in issue 2017/16. You need to add  block for your scripts also, or add   dependency in gadget ResourceLoader section in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition.

Problems
 * Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for 20 to 30 minutes on 3 May. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. You can read more about this.

Changes this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week. This is because of the data centre test.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * All Wikimedia wikis will have cookie blocks from May 8. This is an extension to the autoblock system so when a user is blocked, the next time they visit the wiki a cookie will be set. This means that even if the user switches accounts and to a new IP address the cookie will block them again.
 * The,   and   buttons will look slightly different. This is to fit with the OOUI look. Users can test scripts, gadgets and so on to see if they work with the new interface by adding   to the URL.

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Table assistance
If there is anyone who would like to fiddle with this page to make it resemble the original, I would be grateful. Text has been proofread; just needs formatting. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Done. — Ineuw talk 02:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that looks great. I have adopted blackletter throughout as well, although I was initially hesitant to, since headings were not quite blackletter... And I am undecided as to whether I want to set width for images... Thanks for all! Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not possible to be 100% faithful to the originals. I often tried, but never succeeded. I did blackletter because it is similar to the original, and breaks the constant monotony of Arial. About the image width, I always consider the main namespace Display Option's narrow layouts, #2 and #4 (which is 540px), Please see this random page That is what I used as my guide for image width. — Ineuw talk 18:35, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. I will keep it in mind. Again, thanks much for the formatting—and apparently while you were experiencing page loading issues? Appreciated, Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Voting has begun in 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
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Getting missing pages from another file
Colleagues and I have started a transcription project at Index:Plomer Dictionary of the Booksellers and Printers 1907.djvu. We've just noticed that pages 88 and 89 are missing from the IA scan we've used. Those pages are available in a scan of a different copy of the book. What is the recommended way to combine those pages with the existing transcription in progress? Thanks in advance for any help, MartinPoulter (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If memory serves, has helped me out with similar issues in the past. But please don't do any more proofreading of the index until it is taken care of, due to potential page moves that will need to be made. Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed.— Mpaa (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's brilliant. Thanks very much for your prompt and helpful action, Mpaa. MartinPoulter (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Page loading for editing is painstakingly slow
For the past week, opening and displaying a page for edit has been very slow - to the point that I must wait minutes for a page to render, if they render at all. I open and edit consecutively, several pages at a time but that shouldn't be a problem because I have sufficient RAM memory and other websites load normally.


 * Cleared the Index caches, with all cache controls available to users.
 * Yesterday, monitored both my internet down and upload speeds every hour, and it's always normal and the same.
 * Requested my ISP to do the same, and clear any cache that would affect performance, and he confirmed that all is normal.
 * Checked the Wikimedia servers and they were all operating normally.
 * Scanned for viruses and adware and everything is clean. (Also I am going through OpenDNS for added protection.
 * Tested both Chrome and Firefox and the problems are the same.

Wikisource page loading from the Commons is painstakingly slow. Any ideas? — Ineuw talk 04:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Possibly the same issue as above? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * test with safemode (instructions above) — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:41, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Check your console for errors. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * As usual, completely missed that post. I knew that there are loading errors with load.php from looking at the console at other times, but I wasn't sure if it's because of my gadgets or scripts. I will repeat the actions with the console. — Ineuw talk 18:51, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I tested "safemode" and it works, and generated the following error:

Gadget "CollapsibleNav" styles loaded twice. Migrate to type=general. See .


 * Also, this is not a productive solution. So, I created a phabricator ticket T164443 — Ineuw talk 00:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If the page loaded in Page: nswithout delay using safemode, then the problem that relates to your use of gadgets and/or js scripts, so poking it to phabricator isn't easily going to resolve your issue. You need to identify where your issue is situated. That will be either turning off gadgets and/or blanking scripts while the source is identified; OR via the use of the console and developer tools. I have resolved issues that I see with the gadgets that I have selected. Each persons choice of gadgets will be different, so each person can check to see if they are getting errors, or resolving issues. You alone can test your chosen environment. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * collapsiblenav should be resolved, I amended how the gadget loads. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:57, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Got your point about finding the error, so I must disable all, and re-enable them one by one. — Ineuw talk 01:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Disabled all gadgets and tested page opening, and nothing changed. I am sure it's not the gadgets.
 * Removed all scripts, (but left the common.css untouched) and emptied and disabled browser cache. The load was still slow but faster than with the scripts. I also got the following console messages.

This page is using the deprecated ResourceLoader module "jquery.ui.widget". load.php:31:289 This page is using the deprecated ResourceLoader module "jquery.ui.core". Please use "mediawiki.ui.button" or "oojs-ui" instead.

— Ineuw talk 02:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I will add this info to the ticket. — Ineuw talk 02:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, and that confirms that it is in your gadgets or user scripts. Safemode also turns off our enWS forced scripts. All of those are warnings, not faults/errors, so they can be ignored. We need for you to determine which script or scripts cause the problem. Either start with all on, or all off, and singularly increment until the erroneous script is identified.  Or start half way with one of gadgets or user scripts running and work up or down from there. — billinghurst  sDrewth  02:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Still not 100% sure what causes the problem but the first thing I noticed that after removing all code, the CharInsert bar remained on top of the edit window, thus making the following snippet of code unnecessary, and possibly the cause of the problem.  window.charinsertMoveTop = true; . Restored my user defined Charinsert and a page is loading faster but still not as it was in the "old days".


 * I also suspect that the Common.js page is corrupt because when in edit mode, it didn't bring up the normal .js editor features and remained an ordinary text page. I managed to bring it back by clearing the page cache, but it took some three minutes do display correctly. Can I delete this page and recreate a new common.js? Or, should I move my code into the vector.js? Vector is what I use always. — Ineuw talk 07:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * You are running nopinserter as a pushed script rather than the gadget, and it has dependencies, so that will clearly have been one issue. I have wrapped it in a means to utilise the dependent script.  I would have thought that you could have just used the gadget, but that is your choice. Your other two loaded scripts may or may not cause issues, if they use mw.util, then they will cause issues and we will need to amend their actions too. re .js files.  Common.js is "common" to all skins, and is the place that you should run scripts. You would only put vector skin only scripts in vector.js. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

With all due respect, I challenge your assessment of the problem, and you ignore my concerns. I say this because User:Beeswaxcandle has the same problem and I doubt we use the same setup and editing tools.

I don't expect you to know the answers and solutions to the issues, but I was hoping that you give more consideration to my concerns. I tested the loading problem for the past week before I posted in the Scriptorium.

I am now logged in as User:IneuwPublic, where the setup mirrors that of User:Ineuw, including the gadget selections. In fact, this account is linked to the Ineuw account's scripts because they are don't exist in this account. With this account everything works amazingly fast.

The problem must originate with the User:Ineuw account overall. An hour ago, I deleted ALL cookies of the Wikimedia family from the browser and logged in anew, but it still hangs when attempting to load a page.

My modified copy of the nopinserter has worked for over a year without any problems. It was modified to omit the constant popup message, since I insert nop en masse after proofreading at least 100 pages and this was the original intent of the script designer.

I also use a modified copy of pathoschild's proofreading script as User:Ineuw/common.js/proofreading.js because the standard script surrounds mdashes with spaces, (the French Wikisource requirement), whereas we don't.

Did the wmf software updates remove the need for  window.charinsertMoveTop = true; .? I asked because now the Charinsert is on top of the text area box by default.

It occurred to me that the problem may be a disk error on the server where my settings are stored and that is why I moved and recreated common.js and common.cs and then I deleted the originals. Suggestion the use of vector.js and vector.css was an alternative to recreating the two modules, because I only use the vector skin. — IneuwPublic talk 18:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * May I double your "with all due respect." I have fixed four gadget issues, and mimicked one of those fixes in your common.js file each of these could have contributed to the issue that you describe, and I have spent numbers of hours identifying issues of the community concern, and looking at the broader WMF environment (rather than doing the things that I would have liked to have done). Your commentary is facile, and it ignores facts that it is only happening in limited situations (some people and at this wiki) which indicates local settings issues, not systemic problems. You have not looked at the broader wikimedia discussions that have been occurring about  and where people are using it that they need to fix local settings. You simply are busy reacting and talking, not listening and providing useful information that allows some to diagnose your issue. Deleting files, moving things out of common.js to your skin, rather than simply commenting out lines of code reinforce this. The simple fact is that you need to identify where the problem is occurring (which script, which gadget, which setting) and not yammer about what has or hasn't worked over periods of time, it is all irrelevant in wikis where the underlying code develops on a weekly cycle

Actually stuff it all. I am giving up explaining where people aren't listening. Read the following, the information is there and you get to join the dots. If you come off the default settings, you own your problems and solutions. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * 
 * 
 * mw:Manual:How to debug


 * Read it and got it. The yammerer. — Ineuw talk 18:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Gesta Romanorum sanity check
I've finally got back to work on this somewhat complex project and think I've done enough that it's apparent where it's headed. I also want to provide more complete Wikisource translations of at least some of the tales, as the original explications of the tales are mostly abbreviated or omitted in the translation. Plus there's this 1600 edition at Internet Archive that would be very challenging to transcribe. So ... could someone please check this out so that lots of pages won't need renaming or fixing in the future? Mudbringer (talk) 07:10, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Our guidance for different translations of the same work is to utilise the name of the translator(s) as part of the disambiguation. (naming conventions) I am presume that is question you are asking. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:08, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the feedback. I don't see any mention of translations on the page you linked, or any mention of disambiguation on Translations, but the guidance you mentioned seems reasonable. In this case, however, the two editions I have index pages for are of the same translation, by Charles Swan, which I believe is the only PD translation in nearly modern English. The 2-volume edition I'm working on right now is almost identical to the original edition of the Swan translation, merely provided with an extra introduction. The other edition, by Hooper, has been lightly revised, but is mostly important for Hooper's introduction, which has one of the best explanations of the history of the work.
 * Duh! See Wikisource talk:naming conventions. We are atrocious at good help and policy pages.  Transcription rulez! — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:11, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My original intention in posting to the Scriptorium was to ask in general if anyone could look over the linked indexes pages, and the the pages in the main namespace that I've begun, to alert me to any problems that I have been overlooking. I apologise for the vagueness. As for specific concerns, I would like to hear anyone's recommendations on these issues:
 * I have the two volumes for the 1871 edition linked from the translation/disambiguation page (to which I've added more detailed information on these and other editions) and I would prefer to keep it this way rather than require the reader to click through a page listing just those two volumes. On the other hand, it could be useful to have a single page listing the tables of contents of both volumes.
 * On Latin Wikisource I have only placed one edition. Ideally I'd have a page listing various Latin editions, but I'm hesitant to try that with my poor Latin skills. Given these constraints, I'm trying to provide interlanguage links that will be helpful and logical, but I'm sure there's room for improvement.
 * There are two books that contain well-known discussions of Gesta Romanorum. I've just read on Help:Disambiguation that to include these books it is recommended to make a portal page. To do that, could I just rename the Gesta Romanorum page to Portal:Gesta Romanorum, modify the contents as needed, and leave the resulting redirect as is?
 * As I said, the volume I'm working on now is rather complex. For example Of the Life of Alexius, son of the Senator Eufemian includes an endnote longer than the translation itself, and both the translation and endnote have footnotes. I now have the footnotes appear immediately following their sections, but would it be better to have them all at the bottom of the page?
 * I'm afraid my queries are still too vague, but it's the best I can do right now. Mudbringer (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My thoughts:
 * Linking directly to both volumes of the Wright translation from Gesta Romanorum is fine, but it would also be desirable to additionally create Gesta Romanorum (Swan 1824) (or whatever) as a main page for the two-volume translation work.
 * I'd leave LAwikisource as it is unless you plan to add more Latin versions to LAwikisource yourself.
 * What you'd need to do is leave Gesta Romanorum as a list of translations of the text, and create a separate Portal:Gesta Romanorum for works related to the text.
 * Help:Footnotes and endnotes can be your guide for footnotes and endnotes.
 * And finally, your efforts look to be quite good, keep up the good work! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:13, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful and encouraging comments! Mudbringer (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-19
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * Some users have a problem with the watchlist. Some changes in categories make the watchlist a blank page. The developers are working on this. Until this is fixed you can try some things that have helped other editors if you have this problem. You can turn on  in your watchlist preferences. You can turn off   in your watchlist preferences. You can remove problematic categories from Special:EditWatchlist/raw.
 * There was a problem with the visual editor for several days. You could not save edits that triggered a CAPTCHA. This would for example be when a new user added external links in references. This was fixed on 2 May.

Changes this week
 * When you edit you can switch between the visual editor and the wikitext editor. This works if the wiki you edit has the visual editor. The menu will now say  and   instead of   and  . This is because it was confusing when the menu said you could switch to the editor you were already using.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 May. It will be on all wikis from 11 May (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * You will be able to get a notification when a page you created is connected to a Wikidata item. This will come to Wikivoyage on 9 May. If there are no problems it will come to most Wikipedias on 30 May. It will come to other projects and English, French and German Wikipedia later in the summer. It will be opt-in for existing users and opt-out for new users.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. If  is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use   for transclusions and   in web addresses. A transclusion could for example be when you use   in a template:  . This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis.

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Beta Feature Two Column Edit Conflict View
From May 9, the Two Column Edit Conflict View will be available as a beta feature on all wikis. The Two Column Edit Conflict View is a new interface for the edit conflict resolution page. It highlights differences between the editor's and the conflicting changes to make it easy to copy and paste pieces of the text and resolve the conflict. The feature fulfils a request for a more user-friendly edit conflict resolution from the German Community’s Technical Wishlist. Everyone is invited to test the feature and we hope that it will serve you well! Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:28, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Is this expected to work in the Page namespace here? Because it doesn't appear to - I get the default edit conflict interface with the Beta enabled. Sam Walton (talk) 09:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam Walton, it doesn't work in the page namespace, because Wikisource uses a different content model for the page namespace that is not wikitext (same goes for Wikidata). But good point: If the old edit conflict resolution page does work in the page namespace, the new one should ideally work there, too. We'll look into it & check what would be needed to achieve this & I'll let you know. Thanks for the heads up! --Birgit Müller (WMDE) (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Templates FI and FIS are broken
is template:FIS now broken? and flat sidebar menu? Slowking4 ‽ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">SvG's revenge 01:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems to be. Haz talk 03:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hopeful this can be remedied. I appreciate how the templates behave/render on various devices. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * appears to work now. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ‽ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">SvG's revenge 11:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

index page problem
Hi. I just uploaded a to the Commons but when I made the index page in the Persian Wikisource, it didn't show the page numbers. Can anyone help me with this? --Yousef (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Try now. It looked like the pagelist command was missing for some reason. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. --Yousef (talk) 08:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Can you please help with the Persian writing in djvu pages 6, 7, 9 of Index:Wanderings of a Pilgrim Vol 1.djvu? The author's name is always in Persian in this work. Hrishikes (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Although it is written in Arabic alphabet and it seems to be Persian, the name is not Persian. It’s transliteration to English is "Funny Parx". --Yousef (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. If you can please transcribe the Persian at the lower right of the image on page 6, I have plan to crop the image (and de-color the background) and transcribe the writing. Hrishikes (talk) 07:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Layout 3 skewy for me
Looking at The Strand Magazine/Volume 1/Issue 1/The Metropolitan Fire Brigade the header for layout 3 appears off to the right of the page and I need to scroll the page. Prior to my editing I though that I would confirm that it is a problem wider than me. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I see the same thing, and likewise on other, simpler pages. Mudbringer (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-20
<section begin="technews-2017-W20"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now use ISBNs to automatically generate citations in the visual editor. This works on wikis that have enabled Citoid.
 * The Two Column Edit Conflict View is available as a beta feature on all wikis. It is a new interface for the edit conflict resolution page.

Problems
 * The  library does not load automatically any more. Your Special:MyPage/common.js may use it. If you have technical problems that started a couple of weeks ago you can try adding   as the first line in the file and   as a last one. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/18 issue.

Changes this week
 * The RevisionSlider extension will be a default feature on all wikis. RevisionSlider is an easier way to move between changes in the page history. It has been a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia and a beta feature on all wikis. You will be able to turn it off in your preferences.
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * Administrators will soon be able to search through deleted pages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. Tech News wrote about this last week. If   is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use   for transclusions and   in web addresses. This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis. You can now see the full list of wikis with this problem and help fix them to avoid that things break later this month. You might find false positives. You can read more about what to fix.

Older unreported changes
 * Your Meta user page is shown on all wikis where you don't have a local user page. You can now add the magic word  to your Meta user page to stop this.

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A note about a future change
Hi everyone. Some of you have already noticed this in m:Tech News above and as it's been already mentioned twice, but I wanted to flag again that because of an upcoming change, there's some code that may need to be fixed on this wiki: You can find the list of the pages you'll want to check in a table on mw.org. In most cases those are false positives (I have looked at some of those pages and looks like there are just several cases of bad OCR), and you only really need to fix as explained on mw.org when the "defective" syntax is inside a template or a wikilink, basically. When you have completed the checks, please edit the Notes field of the table accordingly! If you have questions, please reach the team on the talk page. Hope this helps, and thanks for your attention and your help, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Octicons-tools.svg Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. Tech News wrote about this last week. If   is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use   for transclusions and   in web addresses. This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis. You can now see the full list of wikis with this problem and help fix them to avoid that things break later this month. You might find false positives. You can read more about what to fix.
 * Hi,
 * As most of these problem are bad OCR typo in 'not proofread' pages (especially in the United States Statutes at Large), I've launched WS:AWB to replace them by a simple hyphen.
 * Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

RevisionSlider
RevisionSlider will be available as a default feature for all users on all wikis from May 17. The RevisionSlider adds a slider view to the diff page so that you can easily move between revisions. The slider view is collapsed by default, and will load by clicking on it. It can also be turned off entirely in the user preferences. RevisionSlider has been a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia for 6 months and a beta feature on all wikis for 8 months. The feature fulfills a wish from the German Community’s Technical Wishlist. Thanks to everyone who tested RevisionSlider and gave valuable feedback to improve the feature! We hope that RevisionSlider will continue to serve you well in your work. Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-05
Latest news from the Wikimedia Collaboration team, about Notifications, Flow and Edit Review Improvements. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

What's new?


 * “New Filters for Edit Review” beta released: As of May 9, the New Filters for Edit Review beta has been released to all wikis. The beta lets users review edits on Recent Changes using an easier and more powerful interface and many new tools, including user-defined highlighting and, on some wikis, predictive filters powered by ORES, a machine-learning program. You must opt in to the beta to try it out.
 * More features coming soon: The New Filters are still very much in development. In addition to fixing bugs and making adjustments (here’s our current to-do list), we’re actively adding new features, many at users’ request. A few notable additions you can look for this month: A cool tool for saving filter settings; a “Watchlisted pages” filter; a “Flagged Revisions” filter (for some wikis only); a “Last revision” filter.
 * Tell us your ideas—but don’t wait: The team is focused right now in making changes to the New Filters beta. But in a few months, we’ll be moving on to other projects. So now is the time to give the new tools a try and then tell us what you think. What works well? What could make things better for you?
 * In the medium-term: By the end of summer, we plan to complete a suite of improvements that will, among other things: incorporate all the remaining Recent Changes tools into the new filtering interface; create new ways for reviewers to move back and forth through the filter queue; implement a “Reverted” filter; and, finally, bring the New Filters UI and tools to Watchlist.
 * Have time for a talk? We're looking for people we can interview about their experiences with the new beta. If you’re a regular user of Recent Changes and have tried the new features—and if you can spare an hour to chat in English with our design researcher—please email dchen@undefinedwikimedia.org with the subject line “user interview.” Let us know how to get in touch with you and what time zone (city, country...) you’re in.
 * Wish you had ORES on your wiki? Some of the more interesting New Filters for Edit Review features are dependent on the machine-learning service ORES, which is available only on a small but growing list of wikis.  For  ORES to work on a wiki, volunteers from that wiki must train it by scoring some thousands of sample edits. Here’s a link that explains how the process works and how you can get it started on your wiki.

Edit Review Improvements [ More information • Help pages ]

Recent changes
 * Comments font awesome.svg Many Recent Changes pages have on top a list of links. We plan to integrate those links in a collapsible menu. You are invited to comment the 3 proposals we have drafted on Phabricator.
 * On wikis where Flagged Revisions are used, an edit highlighted as bad by ORES will not be highlighted anymore when the edit is reviewed by someone.
 * You can highlight pages that are in your Watchlist in Recent Changes. 3 different filters are available: in watchlist, not in watchlist, new changes in watchlist.
 * Wikidata, Dutch, Czech, Hebrew, Estonian and Finnish Wikipedia now have the new filters available as a Beta feature, and ORES is enabled by default on those wikis.
 * All wikis now have the Recent changes Filters as a Beta feature.
 * Users are invited to opt in to the Recent changes Filters beta when they visit the Recent Changes page.
 * On wikis that have ORES predictions enabled by default, it is now possible to choose how to display the predictions in watchlist and recent changes pages.

Future changes
 * It will be possible soon to save and retreive your favorite filters combinations.
 * We are working on adding filter groups for last revisions, edits from Wikidata and reverted edits.

Notifications [ More information • Help pages ]

Recent changes
 * When an article you have created is linked to a Wikidata item, you can receive a notification. Wikidata and all the Wikivoyages have it since May 9th, other wikis will follow.
 * Special:Notifications tabs is now set to "Unread" if there are any unread messages.

Flow [ More information • Help pages ]

Recent changes
 * You can enable Flow as a Beta feature on your talk page on Arabic Wikipedia and Catalan Wikiquote.
 * When you send more than 50 mentions on one Flow post, you are now warned you have hit the limit.

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Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)

 * Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki

The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified 5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.

You are invited to join the online and offline discussions taking place on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.

Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:


 * Healthy, Inclusive Communities
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Building a "small language" corpora
Is Wikisource the right place to compile a small language corpus, perhaps on a test Wikisource? The source of the works is a university that has published literature compositions of an indigenous language as well as student's literary works including poems and short novels. Unfortunately there is a pressing need to archive these documents by means of digitization. -Masssly (talk) 10:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Multilingual Wikisource (a.k.a. Old Wikisource) is the place for works in languages that aren't big enough to have their own wikisources. They already have a small corpus of Cherokee texts and Inuktitut texts —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Good to know Beleg Tâl, thanks. By small I actually meant between 3K and 4k (and growing) pages of texts. I suppose that is sufficient to have their own Wikisource. I could use some help setting it up in the incubator -Masssly (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * multi language Wikisource is our incubator for Wikisource, it can be set up now and easily and you should ask for help at their mul:Wikisource:Scriptorium. From there they can spool it into its own independent source at the appropriate time, they will also be able to push it through the language committee more easily. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Make sure to check the licenses; projects like these don't tend to worry about copyrights of the students or the works they've translated as well as Wikimedia would prefer.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't envision this could be a problem. But thinking of it now it seems to me that the only option available to not get into trouble is to convince the school to release their material under BY-SA. My question is: and if they did, could I upload on their behalf? -Masssly (talk) 07:45, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If the work has scans to be uploaded to Commons, then I would think that it should have supporting documentation through the OTRS process would be beneficial (see c:Commons:OTRS). Following this should cut out a lot of potential grief, and set a steady base to work upon. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I could help you starting on the Multilingual/Old/Incubator Wikisource. Could you tell us what language you are talking about? (and if possible, the corresponding ISO code). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Language is Dagbani and the ISO is dag.Masssly (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

For the records Main Page/Dagbanli (and I've search on the websites - like Internet Archives - but didn't find any text in this language). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikimania 2017 "Wikisource Year in Review"
hey all, i have been accepted for a talk about wikisource at wikimania. please get your suggestions, gripes, talking points in. i would be happy to present your brief.- cheers. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ‽ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">SvG's revenge 01:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Proofread namespace xwiki alignment for WS sisters
As a note, the Vienna hackathon (currently running) will be pushing ahead with the long-discussed plan to harmonise the namespaces for Index: and Page:. There is no specific timetable for the implementation / migration, though the process to migrate is now in play. Whenever it happens it will mean a small disruption, and this will be announced to us well ahead of the change. There is no requirement for the community to do anything except note the forthcoming change, (and if you do hardcode namespaces into templates, etc. then you will need to update such). Technical detail is in the phabricator ticket and further background at Mediawiki — billinghurst  sDrewth  16:25, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-21
<section begin="technews-2017-W21"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 May. It will be on all wikis from 25 May (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg There will be a  tag around HTML from the MediaWiki wikitext parser. Gadgets with code that does not follow recommendations could have problems with this. You can report new problems you think are related to this.

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== Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections ==


 * Translations of this message are available on Meta-Wiki.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, we are pleased to announce that self-nominations are being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee and Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson elections. Please read the letter from the Wikimedia Foundation calling for candidates at on the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation elections portal.

Funds Dissemination Committee

The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC elections page.

Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson

The Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC Ombudsperson elections page.

The candidacy submission phase will last until May 28 (23:59 UTC).

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File:Dante (Oliphant).djvu
The File:Dante (Oliphant).djvu needs to have the Google notice REPLACED with a blank page. The person who scanned the volume did not include the front cover. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * where are we with getting the fix implemented at Commons? — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:41, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Still far away unfortunately. At least pywikibot has a now a method that can handle it (see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/rPWBC461f747f272d8d8c99beadcf5c51f4fa0fa423e0). it is actually called "whiten_page(", the commit message was not updated. It is not clear to me how to identify the files to work on (a template? A category?)— Mpaa (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * At least I have a proto-script that can do it just with one command.— Mpaa (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Billinghurst started a list at User:Wikisource-bot/Lead google page, which I've been adding to as I find them. However, the ones that I've added require removal of the page rather than replacement. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:23, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * IMO, the preferred way would be to place files in a Maintenance category (e.g one for page blanking and one for page removal). In that way, it would be possible to use built-in pywikibot features. Another option would be to put a template on them.
 * A list in a page needs to be parsed and entries need to be deleted once processed successfully. It is not impossible but the other way is supported better by the library.--Mpaa (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mpaa! --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome.--Mpaa (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * This section was archived on a request by: --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Plain sisters links for multi-level WD items
Hi all,

I'd like to have another crack at adding support to plain sister for including links to sister projects where they're not from the directly linked item, but rather are from the parent 'work' level. I had a look at this a while ago, but it turned out that there are some editions that are editions of multiple works. Now I've fixed up for this scenario, and all available site links will be listed. (Actually, I'm having trouble finding an active example of this, but you get the idea.)

This is the change I am suggesting. The output will do things like this:

Where our The Nether World currently has to have a manual override to display a sitelink to Wikipedia; with the above change, it will follow the Wikidata connections.

What do you think? :-)

—Sam Wilson 20:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, also: have a look at Module:Plain sister/sandbox testcases and see if you can suggest any other tests I might add (i.e. page names, Wikidata IDs, etc.). Thanks! (Tomorrow is hack day at WikiCite, where I am now, and I'll be working on this with some other Wikisourcerers.) Sam Wilson 20:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Template:media
The media template generates different text about available sound files depending on whether it is used in the Author namespace or the Main namespace. And this works well under most circumsatnces, except when the Main namespace page is a versions or translations page. Witness Vita Nuova (Dante), which ought to explain that:

"The icon Speaker Icon.svg identifies that the work includes a spoken word version."

But because this is the main namespace, it states:

"Speaker Icon.svg one or more chapters are available in a spoken word format."

Could someone familiar with this template suggest a means for making this work properly for versions and translations pages? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be a bit of faffing around to make that modification for a one-off use. I would suggest using the "icon" parameter, and then add your preferred text next to it. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:08, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a one-off. I'll have the same problem for several plays by Aeschylus when I set that up in a few weeks, and this has the potential to be a regular issue. We just don't have many people yet adding audio files or setting up versions pages. Fixing the problem either requires adjusting the template, or following what the Italians have done in creating a "Work:" namespace for versions/translations to keep those pages clearly separate from the editions (which remain in their Main namespace). Neither solution would be simple, but adjusting the template would be simpler than creating another namespace. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:15, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Would it perhaps be best to integrate media into the header template, since that's where the distinction is made between editions and versions? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If it is going to be needed then there is no issue making a change. Please describe the circumstances that will be different from now. Will it only be main ns, or will it be others? What text is required to be utilised in this situation.  Probably best to have the amendment conversation on the template's talk pgae.  Re part of header ... IMO I don't think that we would need to add it in the header configuration, it isn't used that much so no point in bulking up templates and modules for low use templates. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We could add some 'custom text' parameters to the media template (e.g. 'before', 'icon', and 'after' or something). I don't think it should be part of header because it's not applicable to most works. Sam Wilson 07:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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How do you fix 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Hetaerism ?
On page 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Hetaerism, "HETAEHISM" should be "HETAERISM" and "¥racpa" should be "ἑταίρα", but when I click on the edit button, there's no content there, just a template which I don't understand... AnonMoos (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Click on the page number to the left of the heading ([415]). That will lead you to the index where you can make necessary changes. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's because I'm using an older browser version, but I don't see any "415" link -- just links to Hesychius of Miletus and Heterokaryota. AnonMoos (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Go here: Page:EB1911 - Volume 13.djvu/431. Hrishikes (talk) 16:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * if you check "display options" on left hand menu, you may have "Page links hidden" enabled, if so, you would need to toggle to "Page links displayed" - they keep improving display. <font face="Vijaya">Slowking4 ‽ <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, Unifraktur, serif">SvG's revenge 16:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hrishikes -- thanks, got it... AnonMoos (talk) 16:58, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And to close the loop, it is my understanding that it is the default for all new users and IP editors to have the page links displayed (dynamic layout). — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Community Collaboration
Poll with 2 questions:


 * (1) Is it time to switch to a new Community collaboration? We've had Thoreau since January, and have made great progress. Only two items are still missing: The Maine Woods, which will be PotM in July, and his Journal, which has not been attracting much attention from editors.
 * (2) What about Edward VII (of the UK) as our next collaboration? Edward VII (d. 1910) is the most recent monarch of the UK likely to have much material in public domain. George V, his successor, died in 1936. There are already offsite links to several books listed on his Author page, but we have almost nothing here on Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * yes; yes --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I support Ed7 as next collaboration. I thought we were going to keep Thoreau till the end of the year though, though maybe I misunderstood somewhere. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no set date for changeover on these. Sometimes they flip after a few weeks, sometimes they linger for months. I had thought initially, we'd keep Thoreau until July, but (as I noted above) most of the work likely to be done for Thoreau has now been accomplished or is scheduled, so we might as well rotate to a new collaboration. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we can move on since we've got most of the important stuff already taken care of. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:41, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Happy for a change, though I would like to see us look to have us consider something like the Famous Women Series (see partial list). Women writing about women. Some of these I had been thinking that we could do as PotM, though think that the community collaboration would be a better means. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see future collaborations concerning minority groups, women, or non-English-speakers. The Famous Women Series would fit nicely, and I know I've raised the issue before of 19th-century African-American biographies, which I also think would make a good choice. I've also jotted down in my own notes the names of several women for whom we have shockingly little coverage and who deserve better. Once we get started on whatever we choose next, I hope to resurrect the nominations page for the community collab, which has lain dormant for a very long time. We didn't get any new nominations during our work on Thoreau, so part of the reason for suggesting Ed VII is that there are already external links to books, and there aren't likely to be too many more. I expect it will go quickly because of that. It's also very different from anything we've done recently, so I hope it will draw in new editors with different interests. If you can start a list for the Famous Women Series with external links to scans in the nominations page, I think it would make a very strong nom. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:28, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

✅ Based on support for the change and marginal favor of Edward VII, I've switched the Comm. Collab. over for June. We'll run this for a while and see what happens. In the meantime, I'll archive and clean up the Collaboration Proposals page, and then advertize its existence so that we can establish a set of proposals from which to draw. I see that billinghurst has already initiated his proposal, so we'll have at least one new option ready. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)