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Wikisource on Wiktionary
Hello,

There's no entry on Wikisource in the English Wiktionary. Since English is not ma native tongue and I don't contribute to that wiki, could someone add infos to wikt:Wikisource ?

Cantons-de-l&#39;Est (talk) 13:06, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Mes amis, je sui du les Etates Unis, avec anglais... We need usages of the term "Wikisource" to make the entry. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:33, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Would be nice, but I'm not sure we meet the brand inclusion criteria: "A brand name for a product or service should be included if it has entered the lexicon". I don't reckon we've entered the lexicon. We should all write more newspaper articles about Wikisource! :-) Sam Wilson 01:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * well, we are in the news ... Slowking4 ‽ RAN's revenge 16:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Does this seem right to others?
For one article Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, Seventh Earl of Cardigan the following list of redirects have been created

N    08:37 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, Lord‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:37 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Lord Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:36 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, Baron‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:36 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, Lord‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:35 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Lord Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:35 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Baron Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:35 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, Baron Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:35 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, Lord Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) 08:34 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, Seventh Earl of Cardigan‎‎ (2 changes | history). . (+103)‎ . . [LlywelynII‎ (2×)] N    08:33 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, James Brudenell, Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:33 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, James Brudenell, 7th Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:32 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, James Brudenell, Seventh Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:31 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, James Thomas Brudenell, Seventh Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:31 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, James Thomas Brudenell, 7th Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:31 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:30 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Brudenell, Seventh Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:30 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Brudenell, Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:30 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:30 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:29 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:29 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Cardigan, 7th Earl of‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:28 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/7th Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:28 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Seventh Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:28 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Earl of Cardigan‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:27 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, J. T.‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:27 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, J.‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:27 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, James T.‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:27 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, James‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:27 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell, James Thomas‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:26 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:26 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/J. Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (re) N    08:25 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/J. T. Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:25 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James T. Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:24 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect) N    08:24 	Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/James Thomas Brudenell‎ (diff | hist). . (+102)‎ . . LlywelynII (talk | contribs | block) (redirect)

To me it seems completely pointless for articles that are subpages. Who is going to type the name of the work to finally find all the variations of the article? users are simply going to type their bit of interest and the search engine will do the rest. We haven't followed this process with other biographical works, generally only creating redirects to pages where there is a specific reference that does not exactly match the article name. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Are any of them used? The only one that would make sense (to me, at least) would be the last one in terms of an internal link. For example, if I didn't know that Mr Brudenell was the 7th earl of Cardigan, I would naively create an internal link to James Thomas Brudenell without his title.
 * Has anyone asked the user who created them (the redirects) what he was thinking? --Mukkakukaku (talk) 15:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It has happened previously and it has been raised with the user. — billinghurst  sDrewth  15:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks a bit overkilling to me.— Mpaa (talk) 21:08, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * and it happens again. It seems that this is not a major issue for most users, and may just be considered noise, or at least "why rock the boat" noise. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

We already have community consensus at Proposed_deletions to "delete on sight". In that discussion I explicitly mentioned the thousands of redirects in EB subspace, and pinged LlywelynII. So you're clear to nuke the lot from orbit. Hesperian 02:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * My own view is that the deletion of redirects here has been excessive, in the past, where I have known about it. I would now prefer that aliases were accumulated in the appropriate place on Wikidata, namely the "also known as" space. Could we proceed by some further discussion? I do know the well-meaning user in question. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Character within text
There is an "L-SEP" character dotted throughout the entire text of Twenty years before the mast. It appears in the Main and in the Page namespace (and in edit mode as well). It must have appeared within the last year. I am seeing the character in Chrome, but not in Microsoft Edge... I do not have IE on my laptop, so I couldn't check in that browser. Is there a way to delete instances from the text? What would have caused it? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a bug in Chrome that displays these characters ( https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=550275 ); I'd wager that the characters have been there this whole time. You can remove them by copying the text into Notepad and deleting them there, then copying back. I'm testing whether it can be removed using AutoWikiBrowser. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅, character removed using AWB —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Re: typoscan.js documentation
Created this document for the typoscan.js script to be used to highlight anomalies created by the OCR processing of text, and would like to move it to a proper Wikisource section. Can someone in the know please advise to where the page can be moved? — Ineuw talk 17:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * WS:SCRIPTS is the most logical place. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:18, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks BWC.

Tech News: 2016-40
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 October. It will be on all wikis from 6 October (calendar).

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 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 4 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Tidy will be replaced. Instead the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This would cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first.


 * will not work on Wikivoyage after 24 October. You should use  instead. If you need help to fix this before 24 October you should ask for it as soon as possible.

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Comment
The change of parser from Tidy to HTML5 parsing is something that may have an impact upon the WSes. I have flicked through the link page on the test results, and have not been able to identify whether there has been testing on the namespaces that utilise mw:Extension:Proofread Page. Subsequently, I have asked the question specifically about the tests that have been undertaken in the Index: and Page: namespaces. I do not envisage big issues as most of the code problems are usually people-injected, though it is worthwhile to see that it was successfully checked prior to implementation. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I was just dropping by to make sure you had noticed this. I believe that "may have an impact" may be a bit of an understatement.  :-)  I know that some pages on the Italian Wikisource were checked (and found to have some problems).  I don't know how much automated testing has been done on the English Wikisource, but it does not seem to be on the devs' top 10 list for worrying (at the moment), which is probably a good sign.
 * Practical help: w:en:User talk:Bgwhite has some information and links to some scripts that may be handy and portable.  There is information at T145530 about schedules ("not during 2016" being the most important point) and such.  w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia may be a useful central place for coordinating efforts and trading advice and tools with people who are working on other wikis.
 * The devs are particularly worried about templates, because a single typo can break lots of pages, and it's hard for most people to figure out what's causing the problem. So, for example, I believe that the mistyped line break codes  in Author:John Greenleaf Whittier are going to make that page break (probably, the lines will run together as if there were no line break), but the same problem in Music/header is going to both break the 500+ affected pages and also confuse most of the people who try to fix them.  So as a first step, it's probably worth checking your templates for errors.
 * If you have questions or information for me, then please ping me. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * okay I can see that we can identify said pages with a search, though typically it fails in AWB search so those replacements will need to wait until there is a fix. The identified templates and author page have been updated. Presumably plenty more to do. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't find any more of those line breaks in templates, but it looks like there's about 600 affected pages in the content spaces. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there a 'fix script' than can be run for this, so that it doesn't have to be done manually? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The scripted fix is the easy bit for known problems, they should all be simple replacements. It is just knowing all the problems and then grabbing the pages in a usable form that is trickier especially where the tools need a tweak. AND hopefully only doing it once. We'll get there. We will also need to ensure that there are no further additions. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not quite all simple fixes. Most of them (such as the example given above) could be easily fixed by a bot.  A couple, such as a missing end-of-table wikitext code, will require human intervention (because the bot won't be able to figure out where the table should end).  However, all of them ought to be detectable via script, so someone (with relevant tech skills, i.e., not me) should be able to make a list of the pages that require manual intervetions.   Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Creative Commons 4.0
Hello! I'm writing from the Wikimedia Foundation to invite you to give your feedback on a proposed move from CC BY-SA 3.0 to a CC BY-SA 4.0 license across all Wikimedia projects. The consultation will run from October 5 to November 8, and we hope to receive a wide range of viewpoints and opinions. Please, if you are interested, take part in the discussion on Meta-Wiki.

''Apologies that this message is only in English. This message can be read and translated in more languages here.'' Joe Sutherland (talk) 01:35, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

FI template seems to not be working correctly...
...as of today, I believe. The following example renders as full resolution:
 * Page:War; or, What happens when one loves one's enemy, John Luther Long, 1913.djvu/8

Renders as full resolution in Chrome, but not in Microsoft Edge. I have no other browsers with which to compare. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Full size in Firefox 47.0.1; correct size in Internet Explorer v8. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * May I ask what do you mean "full resolution"? I set the image to width = 500px and removed cstyle  = max-width: 400px, which is a wrong parameter.  — Ineuw talk 10:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It was an issue with the "Society Pictures" image on my User page as well, but as of this morning, it seems to no longer be an issue... By "full resolution", I meant full size—100%. GO3 set the parameters for me: "you can always limit the max-width (see FI's documentation). I'll add  and return to a width of 90%... see if that is more acceptable..." Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I have continued this thread on my Talk page... Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Index:Authors daughter v1.djvu
It's only the first volume. Archive.org has partial scans for the other volumes, but the one for Vol2. appears to contain a damaged page 1 :( . ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is this the volume 2 you're looking at? With the damaged second page of the TOC? --Mukkakukaku (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they're on Google Books. Here's Volume 2 which at least doesn't have a messed up first page. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-41
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can show Special:RecentChanges on a page by using . You can now use tag filters by using.
 * The notification badge is coloured if you have notifications. When you check the notification the badge will now turn grey on all wikis instead of just the local one.
 * Colours used in the Wikimedia wikis' main interface changed slightly. This is to make them easier to see for readers and editors with reduced eyesight.

Changes this week
 * Hidden HTML comments will be more visible when you edit with the visual editor.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week is CREDITS files. The meeting will be on 12 October at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Language converter syntax will soon no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like  must be replaced. You will have to write   instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian.

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FYI — Grant for project: Librarybase
The community should be particularly interested in a project by user:Harej that I understand has recently had some grant funding success. that looks to use Wikidata to assist citations at the Wikipedias. This assist us as we finish our transcriptions and populate data at WD, it makes referencing our works or parts of works here easy/easier, and we should be able to find which works here are actually referenced at the WPs. I also can envisage that we could have a path to check that something like a biographical compilation work here is fully two-way linked, eg. every article in DNB is linked from every biography at enWP, and maybe the others. I will also be interested to see how we can utilise to reference back the other way to the WPs. Similarly if there could be scope to help link editions (our work) and works (how enWP describes them); plus maybe the potential to help with interlanguage links between the Wikisources so that our English language edition and the corresponding translated editions (ultimately each is a "source" of the other).
 * Librarybase: an online reference library

Some of these hopes may not be met, and it will be interesting to watch the project. Congrats to Harej for the project and the potential and impetus. — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-42
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There is a new newsletter from the Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation. It will have more details about for example Flow and notifications. You can read the first issue.

Problems
 * Some users got a warning about Wikipedia's security certificate last week. This was because of a problem GlobalSign had. This has now been fixed. Only a small number of users got the warning.
 * Editors couldn't edit semi-protected pages in the Wikipedia app for Android. This has now been fixed in the beta version.

Changes this week
 * There will be no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * The Editing Department are working on a new wikitext editor. It will have tools that are in the visual editor but not in the wikitext editor today. You can read more about this. This is an early plan and things can change. The old wikitext editor will still exist.

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Followup

 * I have subscribed this page to receive the above-mentioned monthly Collaboration newsletter. The content is about the universal tools — Notifications, Flow and Edit Review Improvements. If people consider that problematic or the information unuseful then please start the conversation, and we can look to remove it. — billinghurst  sDrewth  20:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

A Greek sentence
Hi, is there anyone who can write down the Greek sentence in this page? I'd be thankful. --Yoosef Pooranvary (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you --Yoosef Pooranvary (talk) 20:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You are always welcome to utilise greek missing and some will get to it when they are next in the mood. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:03, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Linking to wikipedia
What are the linking policies to other websites especially wikipedia? Should I put links in the book which I'm editing. --Yoosef Pooranvary (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Our policy on the subject is at Help:Annotating, with further information at Wikilinks. Essentially, linking to works and authors on Wikisource is okay, other types of links in the text are considered annotations and hence are usually discouraged. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Though we usually tolerate wiktionary links for esoteric words. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

A Wikisource maintenance question
I've been catching up on Wikisource maintenance related materials, especially about cleanup issues where I can contribute. I went through the maintenance categories, but only found list of "orphan" Indexes. Is there one for orphaned main namespace pages? — Ineuw talk 20:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is Category:Unlinked what you are looking for? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I believe it's one of several categories I was looking for. I may have created main ns pages unlinked for PSM, OR, created duplicate linked pages with slightly different titles, OR unneeded hard redirects. I had to rename some article titles and got lost. I will also do a search. — Ineuw talk 22:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is Special:LonelyPages what you want? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes! That's it. Thank you. Already found something floating from another work. :-) — Ineuw talk 01:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

More of a question than a request for help
I believe that there is a date limited redirect which can be deleted after a six months or so. If there is such a redirect, I would like to apply it to THIS PAGE. — Ineuw talk 17:28, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * See dated soft redirect Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Ineuw talk 02:38, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * it does need to be substituted to be effective. — billinghurst  sDrewth  02:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is substituted. but the message should be modified to add to, or change from URL to a wiki link. — Ineuw talk 03:55, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-43
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * The abuse filters had a problem and caught too many edits. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 25. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from October 26. It will be on all wikis from October 27 (calendar).
 * The "Search" text in the search box will show the name of the project. For example, on Wikipedia it will say "Search Wikipedia".
 * About a dozen wikis now have numerical sorting in categories. If your wiki wants numerical sorting in categories you can ask for it.
 * Some wikis that want numerical sorting in categories can also ask to use UCA to sort categories. The biggest difference is that characters with diacritics will be sorted together. For example, for most languages Ä will be sorted with A instead of at the end of the alphabet. This is not true for languages that have Ä as a character in their alphabet. Wikis that already use UCA are listed on Meta. Languages that can use UCA are listed on MediaWiki.org. You can test it.

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 * Note: with regard to the sorting in numerical categories, if we were to consider this, we would just need to know that it is an all categories or nothing situation. It is not something that can be applied to just some categories. — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:40, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Help on
In some old Chinese text, they assign a number to every two pages. That is: Pages 2 and 3 on the PDF file --> page number 1, and page 4 and 5 on the PDF file --> page number 2, and so on. How can I number this using ? Please kindly anwser the question here.--維基小霸王 (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ --EncycloPetey (talk) 11:53, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Internet connection problems
Does anyone have a problem connecting to Wikisource in Eastern US or Eastern Canada? Particularly in the Eastern Standard Time zone? In the past few days I have problems to connect to Wikisource, to save pages and retrieve images from Wikimedia Commons. This worst are the loading of the djvu pages. — Ineuw talk 19:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I did, last evening, but today it seems okay. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ineuw, are you using Safari 10? (Please ping me if the answer is yes.)  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I am not. No longer have Mac OS, and in Windows it was abandoned by Apple. — Ineuw talk 21:35, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I had intermittent problems last week, and the problem has disappeared since I followed the directions here: https://support.globalsign.com/customer/portal/articles/1353318-view-and-or-delete-crl-ocsp-cache  (Tech Ops also changed something in their setup at the same time, so I can't be certain that these directions mattered.)  But since I was having problems in Safari 10 but not Firefox 42, I don't know if that would do any good for someone who's not using Safari 10.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I cleaned the cache and there were 184 items but I don't know if it's a lot or few. I will let you know if it helps. Later I will also try the OSX command in Linux. — Ineuw talk 15:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking for your advice on software development
Hello, all. I wonder if a few of you would please review something one of my teammates has been working on? Keegan's been leading the development of a Technical Collaboration Guideline.

The Technical Collaboration Guideline is a set of voluntary best-practice recommendations related to planning and communicating product and project information, with the goal that content contributors and software developers (both volunteers and WMF staff) will work together better during the product development and deployment cycle. It's intended to be flexible, since every project is unique and also since plans and products change during development. It's also intended to be lightweight advice, rather than completely comprehensive. (Or, in plain English, I'm not writing it. ;-)

Please share your thoughts at mw:Talk:Technical Collaboration Guideline. The guideline and at least most of the previous conversations about it are written in English, but comments from all languages are welcome. Keegan promises me that all feedback will be read and taken into consideration when editing the next draft of this advice, even if he doesn't reply personally. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Results of the latest wmf software update, or look at what we screwed up now
This applies to all images using the FIS template. Please look at the images at the template's 'What links here'. — Ineuw talk 05:09, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

P.S: This seems to happen to images that are floating to the left. Can anyone here fix this? Or, do I post a message for the caretakers? — Ineuw talk 05:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


 * In my opinion the best fix would be to replace all use of the FIS template with the standard image thumbing wikicode, and then delete FIS. This would have the following advantages
 * It would fix this problem
 * It would restore the mediawiki functionality of providing server-side thumbed imagery, intended to minimise data transfer costs and page load times, which is particularly important in developing countries, and for mobile browsing
 * It would replace an esoteric template with basic wikicode, making it easier for new editors to learn how we work.
 * Hesperian 06:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I would support deprecating FIS and FI. I still have no idea what they're for or how they work, but I have noticed that pages using that template have always behaved strangely when I open them. Mostly the images are waaay larger than they need to be. Also musical scores are rendered as huge and blurry, e.g. The Army and Navy Hymnal/Hymns/Our God, Our Help in Ages Past. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I am against removing this template, and please leave the template alone. This happened previously at an earlier wmf software update and has nothing to do with the template. Already created a bug report here. I find 's arguments specious and will gladly provide a point by point rebuttal, and, in your linked music example, I don't see a reference to the template in question.


 * This template was designed by GOIII specifically to deal with offset images for PSM, with which I was struggling for years. As for the template code itself, it is not complex, but rather elegant. Even I understand the code, which says a lot. — Ineuw talk 20:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


 * User:ShakespeareFan00 removed it; it's still in use on some of them e.g. The Army and Navy Hymnal/Hymns/When Morning Gilds the Skies (for now) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 11:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Suggested update for the common.css
My guru recommends that the two top lines of code be updated with stricter server specification. i.e: It should include en.wikisource. — Ineuw talk 03:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

/* end baseline See MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css  for remaining CSS loaded */ old:         @import url('/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Dynimg.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css') screen; replace with: @import url('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Dynimg.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css') screen;

/*	Stylesheets being tested	*/ old:         @import url('/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Coltest.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css') screen; replace with: @import url('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Dynimg.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css') screen;


 * Are you asking, discussing or telling? You have admin rights and can do the edits, so the context of the post and here is uncertain. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:36, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Good question, consider it etiquette, politeness. Wasn't sure if I am permitted or rather trusted. In any case I did it. — Ineuw talk 07:00, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-44
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Now you can include Commons video films with subtitles in your wiki language. Before you could see translated videos on file page at Commons only.
 * Search now has an updated preference tab to configure the search completion suggester.
 * The visual editor is now available on all wikis using only one language script.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 1st. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 2nd. It will be on all wikis from November 3rd (calendar).
 * Now you can use autocomplete for page names in "" field when editing templates.
 * Special:NewPages can now be filtered by page size.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg New MediaWiki deployments will be now based on MediaWiki 1.29.

Miscellaneous
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Collaboration Guideline is available for community review. Any feedback welcome, in any language.

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Open access articles in Wikisource
I'm from the NOA project of the German Technical Information Library. It hasn't started yet, but we are planning to harvest open access publications. Mainly we are dealing with figures, but we would also like to bring fulltexts to Wikisource. I've worked in Wikisource a few years ago and know how crucial quality is. We will only do as much we can sufficiently handle with our manpower and are not intending to overstretch any volunteers resources. The publications will only be from full digital journals, so no OCR is necessary.

I would like to hear your opinion, which prerequisites are still missing and what you generally think about such work.--TIB-NOA (talk) 15:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me know when you start migration--I'd like to help if I can. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, is this potentially dealing with open access textbooks? If so, as someone who knows little if anything about them, would there be any sort of need to perhaps do "editions" of the text, if it gets revised often? John Carter (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'm glad you pointed out that. Textbooks and reference works do contain excellent information and figures for many wiki places. And in general articles and books can be processed likewise. So, potentially yes! Editions may be needed whenever automatic processing isn't feasible. Tonitrus (talk) 10:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I am presuming that you two have talk about the earlier work that Daniel did, and the discussion that we had at the time that Daniel and his colleagues uploaded a stack of works into the user namespace. In short, we will happily have the works, the important part is formatting (that DM explore) and getting the requisite wikidata in place for the articles. Bulk full digital is not something that the community cannot manage, BUT it is not something that we have well-addressed in the Wikidata age. I would think that we would be looking to get as much data as possible into WD, especially original source, and pulling it through rather than overly complicating matters here. We would probably want to talk to Wikidata about having a flag that clearly identifies digital sourced data, and one which we inhale rather than use our transcription ribbon. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * We are indeed doing something similar to Daniels Open Access Media Importer Bot. Probably Biblionik has already told him about us.
 * Yes, I told Daniel :) And a few other Wikipedians as well, see also my proposal at WikiCite 2016: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite_2016/Proposals/WikiSource_and_Wikidata_as_a_hub_for_collaborative_annotation_and_reuse_of_Open_Access_literature Biblionik (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * With ribbon you are meaning a badge, like the stars for FA/GA?--TIB-NOA (talk) 18:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The primary conversation that we had with Daniel about the bot is at Scriptorium/Archives/2014-09, there is probably other bits around; plus Daniel and I had a long chat at WM2014. It would be good if we can align the two components, to whatever extent, noting that that bot also uploaded images to Commons. Wtih regard to ribbon, at the moment there is a direct relationship between the transcribed pages that are scan supported; an example is Shakespeare, William (DNB00) (up top). We migrate those ribbons to the badges at Wikidata. With your proposed additions, they will not have the ribbon as they aren't going through the (not proofread) ... (proofread) ... (validated) cycle, so we will need another means to identify a text to text relationship. I suggest that a new badge at WD could be that means, and have started a discussion at d:Wikidata talk:Wikisource. — billinghurst  sDrewth  10:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

On my user talk page, there has been a little continuance of this discussion, though I want to bring it back to the community, and put forward some ideas that the community should discuss to progress this issue ...

Digital documents
Our community's approach to transcribing and transcluding works predominantly sprung up around reproducing old books, though we have had the occasional foray into modern documents. The system that has been set up has had a focus on a source to which we can verify an OCR/transcription which works well books/documents/... published on paper. It does not work well for digital documents, and we need a shared opinion and consensus to how we move forward with digital documents.

We need to
 * 1) Explicitly accept that we can host digital-only documents  that these works do not need to be taken through the index/page verification process and then transcluded.
 * 2) Sort out a marking system to identify digital documents akin though different our verifying ribbon
 * 3) Look at our requirements for how these works are displayed as if they can be dropped into WS electronically, then the expectation should be that the metadata can be dropped into wikidata equally easily
 * 4) Capture the consensus of the community into our help documentation

Can others identify other matters that should be discussed by the community in this regard? — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

To these points I would like to add comment &hellip; — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) The badges system in WD is a ready place to mark a work as digital against the link to the document here and that information can be extracted back into our systems to display as digital-only. I have submitted 153186 to address this issue.
 * 2) There is good scope to do an adaptation of header to something like (or something) that can completely extract data from Wikidata to populate the header without any intervention required locally. So if we are having a bot we would apply all fields via imported parameters, and its use in itself is a verification of known work from a known site with known, allowable copyright (all the provenance components)
 * Update  This is in the process of being implemented in the Wikidata code, so I propose to start development here to allow for its usage, and look to other components discussed above. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

To the origins of the project: The (run by Maximilianklein) has already imported ~200 documents from PubMed Central (PMC) and converted them to Wikitext in 2014-2016. They were not placed in the main namespace, but as subpages of WikiProject Open Access/Programmatic import from PubMed Central. Now my project is trying to do the same, but with much more documents and not only relying on PMC. Of course I will wait for your permission and until a badge at Wikidata is ready.

Examples, how my work could look like are Challenges and opportunities for digital history (Wikidata object) and Overview on CO2 valorization: challenge of molten carbonates. I think, that digital documents should get an extra namespace to distinguish them from PDF-based documents, e.g. Fulltext:Challenges and opportunities for digital history.--TIB-NOA (talk) 12:31, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Update There is now a badge on Wikidata for "digital documents" .--TIB-NOA (talk) 10:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I need to get back to this. Apologies for tardiness in its management.  Are you able to explain how Wikipedia utilises w:template:icon & w:module:icon as this is relevant for our next step to pull badge data from wikidata, and to have that display within header. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There's nothing special in Module:Icon; that just constructs the image syntax. But I think we can do something with Module:Edition e.g. gives  (and if no wikidata ID is passed, it'll use the ID of the page it's evoked from). Of course the icon and what it links to can be changed. Is this the sort of thing you mean? I'm afraid I'm not fully up to date on what's going on with digital-born stuff. Sam Wilson 04:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC)