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Anne of Green Gables (ex Gutenberg)

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Template:PD-US-1923-abroad

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The King's English

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1984

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Latin for beginners

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Template:Year by category

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Catalog raisonné

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A Text-book of Sex Education

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Famine or Not Famine

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In the Midst of the Starving

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The Earliest Life of Christ Ever Compiled from the Four Gospels

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The Kronstadt Rebellion

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Index:Cowardly Lion of Oz.pdf

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Category:Soft redirects to translated works, 220 redirects and template:translation redirect

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The Bible and Islam

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The Golden Bowl (mixed source edition)

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Template:Pagetype

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The Coming of the White Men OCR text

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The Critique of Judgement

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The Dreamer: A Romantic Drama In Three Acts (Mary R.P. Hatch)

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Summary The Tale of Gha-nim ibn Ayyub

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The Jungle Book (text)

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Oliver Twist

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Wuthering Heights (unsourced edition)

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Tristram Shandy

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David Copperfield (1869)

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A Treatise on the Mathematical Theory of Elasticity and main ns subpages

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The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

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The Trumpet-Major

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The Second Part of King Henry the Sixth (unsourced)

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The Life of Henry the Fifth (unsourced)

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The First Part of King Henry the Sixth (unsourced)

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The Third Part of King Henry the Sixth (unsourced)

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The Tragedy of Macbeth (unsourced)

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Index:Weird Tales volume 02 number 03.pdf

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All items with source Frederic Bancroft, ed., Speeches, Correspondence and Political Papers of Carl Schurz, Volume

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The Works of John Ruskin

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Judaism and Islam: A Prize Essay

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Ancient Ideals

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Suakin, 1885: Being a Sketch of the Campaign of this Year

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Under the Knife (unsourced)

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Improperly titled index page

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The Plattner Story (unsourced)

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Jaikant bhardwaj
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 * Speedied as clear spam. Not sure what it is about Indian actors and musicians specifically that encourage people to make really bad biographies for them at enWS. Thanks for the report. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 22:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


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Account of a visit to the front

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Tender buttons: objects, food, rooms

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The Politicization of Gender Relations in Indonesia

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The Early Christian Attitude to War

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Celebrated Trials

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The Gondreville Mystery

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Index:A Child&

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Sartor Resartus (Project Gutenberg edition)

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Fire, Famine, and Slaughter (unsourced)

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Leaves of Grass (Gutenberg edition)

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A Hebrew and English Lexicon (Brown-Driver-Briggs)

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Wireless Networking in the Developing World

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Diplomacy and the War

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Monday or Tuesday

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Anastasis

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Treaty of Lausanne (1912)

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Prasun Barua

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A Child's History of England (1853)

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Martin Chuzzlewit

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mass deletion of Pages

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The Iron Heel

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Transitory Provisions of the Constitution of Ireland

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A glossary of words used in the neighbourhood of Sheffield

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The Evening and the Morning Star and The Evening and the Morning Star vol 2

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Module:Page

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Template:Userspace draft and Template:Userspace notes

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Greensleeves (unsourced)

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Introduction (Molesworth to Hobbes, X) and Homer's Iliads in English

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Thirty-sixth Amendement of the Constitution of India

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The Complete Peerage (2nd Edition)

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Undelete: Hamlet, Second Quarto (Folger Shelfmark: STC 22276)

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Variants and Analogues of some of the Tales in the Supplemental Nights

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Redirects beginning with "WikiProject:"

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The Rider on the White Horse

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The Ethical Theory of Hegel

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Chronological Table of the Statutes and others

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Index:Grayback (SS208). Port side, 05-06-1941 - NARA - 513040.tif

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"WP:" namespace

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Party list law (R.A 79 41) philippines

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North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation

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Peter and Wendy (1911)

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Template:Transcluded OCR errors

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The Works of Thomas Carlyle

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Middle Cornish Charter Fragment (Add. Ch. 19491)

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Night and Day (Woolf)

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Index:朝鮮巫俗の研究 上券.djvu

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Joseph Henderson v. United States

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One Hundred Poems by Kabir

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Regulations of the People's Republic of China on Chinese-Foreign Cooperation in Running Schools

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An Essay on Virgil's Æneid

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The Gift of Black Folk

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Template:Image annotations

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The Edmeston Local

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Manual of Gardening

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The Coffee-House of Surat (Kokielov)

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Author:Menaechmus

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Preview: Take a look a Twitter’s upcoming Community feature

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page Monday Or Tuesday
I have erronously created

Monday_Or_Tuesday

but this is an error and a duplicate (note the lower/uppercase o in "or") because

Monday_or_Tuesday

is the adequate page. So the page with the "Or" should be deleted. - R. J. Mathar (talk) 10:14, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. You can also just tag this kind of thing with sdelete if you like. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 10:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


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Billy Bones&

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Boadicea

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Images in some chapters of When We Were Very Young need to be moved here from Commons

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Das Kapital Volume One and Das Kapital Volume Two

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Template:Note-x

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Waldorf public school trial transcript

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Church and State (Tolstoy, tr. Dole)

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Meech Lake Accord

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Lorem ipsum (unsourced)

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Nobel&

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Persecution of Christians in Russia

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The Emigration of the Doukhobors

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The Doon School Weekly and The Journalistic Code of Ethics for The Doon School Weekly

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The Geography of Strabo

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Maud, and other poems

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The Old Armchair

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Index:The natural history of the tea-tree.djvu

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Index:Works Translated by William Whiston.djvu

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Wikilivres pages

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Red Jacket

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Alnwick Castle

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Some excerpts

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An Autobiography or The Story of My Experiments with Truth

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The Republic (Gutenberg edition)
Unsourced duplicate of The Republic of Plato Languageseeker (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Languageseeker: This request, as your previous request, is premature. The new version is incomplete. I was proofreading the new work, but my efforts were preempted by ShakespeareFan00; I was transcluding, as well, but those efforts were undone by Billinghurst. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about your situation. It sounds very frustrating. Request withdrawn. Languageseeker (talk) 03:30, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
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1) This is sourced, it is the Gutenberg edition. 2) I have not undone any transclusions, I simply moved the subpages from roman numerals to arabic numerals. Fair dinkum, I don't know why you would even say things like that. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC) once the scan-backed edition is complete —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * billinghurst: It is not scan-backed, however, which makes it less desirable. Also, we do not know the edition of the text edition, which makes it less valuable. My efforts were undone, and it was for that reason that I stopped proofreading and transcluding this work, in which I was formerly much interested; and this was not the first time that had happened. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is sourced, that it is not scan-backed is a different argument. That it is not evident which edition from it hales is not clear is also a different argument, it it is still sourced. Your work was NOT undone, your work stands as it is, all that was done was subpages were moved from roman numerals to arabic numerals per our guidance documentation and links updated. If you follow the guidance then there is no need for any such updates. Do you think that the guidance is there to be blithely ignored just because? — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * billinghurst: That is not what you did; and my work was undone. This work is unsourced, as there is no known scan from the Project Gutenberg scan; that is the current definition. You did not even use that justification when you undid my work in the first place. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What utter hogwash there is a clear version of The Republic at Gutenberg, the work is sourced. Otherwise, show me where the work was UNDONE, and show me where I have made such an edit to not comply with the guidance. I have made repeated requests to you on your talk page about compliance with the guidance documents and local styles, each of those requests is unanswered, so stop blaming others. Aligning works to the guidance is firmly within your control. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Beleg Tâl: There is no one proofreading it at the moment, so it is unlikely to be finished. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:43, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Joint Communiqué on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of Nicaragua

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 * @Xover: Thank you!

Category:Siege of Newark

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Index:Select specimens of the theatre of the Hindus.djvu

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The Travels of Ibn Jubair

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Index:The Euthydemus of Plato (Gifford, 1905).pdf

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Proposal to delete The Count of Monte Cristo 1844 publication

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Manuscript list of Irish Coleoptera Hymenoptera and Diptera in the Belfast Museum

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Briefer Mention at The Dial (Volume 75)

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Costume

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ORIGINS OF U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN VIETNAM

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DjVuImage

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Category:Comparative texts

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Epigrams of Plato

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Undelete The Law of Ukraine: On the Self-governing Special Administrative Territory of Transcarpathia, 1992 (draft)

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Fasti Hellenici, the Civil and Literary Chronology of Greece, from the earliest accounts to the Death of Augustus

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Shirley

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Category:Lacnunga
This category had only one text in it which has since been added to Category:Old English works. It is redundant and should be deleted.
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Batch Delete of Lippincotts Monthly Magazine

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OCR Scan fail

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Template:Wikipediaref x 3

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Interrogation of Wolfram Sievers

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On Heroes, Hero Worship, and the Heroic in History

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Portal:Top 100 authors

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Index:The Son of Tarzan.djvu

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Jane Eyre (c. 1900 W. Nicholson & Sons edition)

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Nikolai Palkin

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Help!

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Gróttasöngr and Völuspá

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Hospital Sketches (Gutenberg)

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A Modest Proposal (Unsourced)

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History of Wyoming
appear). If anyone is interested in Wyoming history, however, please scan-back this, since WS's content related to this US state is very lacking. PseudoSkull (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * PseudoSkull: There are thirty letters in total, and from what I have found, lengthy appendixes. It’s not a template error; for some reason, that text was duplicated in the  section of the header. Lastly, this is not about Wyoming, it’s about upstate Pennsylvania, the location of Gertrude of Wyoming (the namesake of the territory, later state). I don’t see the poor formatting. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's an abandoned, incomplete project from 2007 involving the copy-pasting from another website. I don't see this being fixed anytime soon. Languageseeker (talk) 00:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Versions of the work are available at IA. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC) }}
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The Roll of Caerlaverock

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Dream Life, a Fable of the Seasons

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My Life and Loves (OCR)

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Reveries of a Bachelor, or a Book of the Heart

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WikiProject NLS duplicate files
{{closed|Deleted as duplicates. Big thanks to CalendulaAsteraceae for doing all the leg work on this one!|text=

I've noticed there are a number of files in Category:WikiProject NLS which have had no pages created and which are redundant to another scan. One example is Index:Magic pill, or, Davie and Bess (2).pdf, which is a duplicate of Index:Magic pill, or, Davie and Bess (1).pdf. These seem like candidates for deletion to me, and I'm happy to make a full list if it's helpful, but it seemed more efficient to first find out whether the pages should in fact be deleted.

{{ping|Annalang13}} you're the one who's identified the duplicate files. Do you have input? Has this been discussed before?

—CalendulaAsteraceae (talk {{!}} contribs) 01:57, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe this is a strong list. Some of these indexes have some pages created, but that was not part of the standard workflow. They were mainly ignored after creation. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * {{re|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Belatedly, thank you for making/searching for this list! I think every work listed here is a duplicate scan except the following:
 * Index talk:Groat's worth of wit for a penny, or, The interpretation of dreams, moles, &c. (1).pdf
 * Index talk:Handsome cobler, or, The father outwitted (1).pdf
 * Index talk:Comical sayings of Paddy from Cork (2).pdf
 * Index talk:Penny-worth of wit (4).pdf
 * Index talk:Penny worth of wit (1).pdf
 * Index talk:Life of John Knox (3).pdf
 * Index talk:True fortune teller, or, Universal book of fate (3).pdf
 * Index talk:Captain Barnwell.pdf
 * —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 03:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * To clarify, I'm proposing deleting the index pages, not the files, which would need to be brought up at Commons anyway. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 19:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * {{fine|{{ping|Gweduni|Mandarasa|LilacRoses|Tamheaney|Chime Hours|AndrewOfWyntoun}} Sorry if this is spam but I wanted to be sure you saw this. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 00:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)}}
 * {{ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}} Hi, sorry for not replying sooner - yes, as far as I am aware, the index pages for the duplicate items can be deleted. LilacRoses (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * {{re|LilacRoses}} Thank you! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 15:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

List of index pages

 * Index:'Twas on the morn of sweet May Day (2).pdf
 * Index:Account of the particular soliloquies and covenant engagements, of Mrs. Janet Hamilton, the deceased lady of Alex. Gordon of Earlston (1).pdf
 * Index:Account of the royal visit of George the IVth to Scotland (1).pdf
 * Index:Ali Baba, or, The forty thieves (3).pdf
 * Index:Allan the freebooter, or, The witch of Glenross (1).pdf
 * Index:Allan Tine o' Harrow (3).pdf
 * Index:Allan Tine o' Harrow (5).pdf
 * Index:Andrew Lammie (the trumpeter of Fyvie), or, Mill of Tifties' Annie (2).pdf
 * Index:Arraigning and indicting of Sir John Barleycorn (2).pdf
 * Index:Awful memorial of the state of Francis Spira (2).pdf
 * Index:Banks o' the Devon (2).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Otterbourne (2).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Prestonpans (4).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Prestonpans (5).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Roslin (3).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Roslin (5).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Roslin (6).pdf
 * Index:Battle of the Boyn (1).pdf
 * Index:Battle of the Boyne (2).pdf
 * Index:Battle of Waterloo (1).pdf
 * Index:Bellfast (sic) mountains (2).pdf
 * Index:Bess the gawkie, or, Jamie slighted (2).pdf
 * Index:Bessy Bell and Mary Gray (2).pdf
 * Index:Betsey Baker (2).pdf
 * Index:Bide ye yet (2).pdf
 * Index:Black-ey'd Susan's garland (2).pdf
 * Index:Blackamoor of the wood (4).pdf
 * Index:Blaeberry courtship (2).pdf
 * Index:Bonny Barbara Allan (2).pdf
 * Index:Bonny Barbara Allan (5).pdf
 * Index:Bonny Barbara Allan (6).pdf
 * Index:Bonny bell (2).pdf
 * Index:Bonny lass of Banaphie (4).pdf
 * Index:Brief inquiry into the origin and tendency of sacramental preaching-days (2).pdf
 * Index:Buchan sangster (2).pdf
 * Index:Burns' popular songs (2).pdf
 * Index:Captain Glen's unhappy voyage to New Barbary (1).pdf
 * Index:Captain Wedderburn's courtship (2).pdf
 * Index:Captain Wedderburn's courtship (5).pdf
 * Index:Captain Wedderburn's courtship (6).pdf
 * Index:Celebrated history of the renowned Robin Hood (1).pdf
 * Index:Choice collection of cookery receipts (1).pdf
 * Index:Christ a complete saviour (2).pdf
 * Index:Christ's kirk on the green (2).pdf
 * Index:Christ's kirk on the green (4).pdf
 * Index:Coalman's courtship to the creel-wife's daughter (4).pdf
 * Index:Coalman's courtship to the creel-wife's daughter (6).pdf
 * Index:Collection of Scotch proverbs (3).pdf
 * Index:Collection of Scotch proverbs (3).pdf
 * Index:Collection of Scots proverbs (7).pdf
 * Index:Collection of the best Scottish songs (2).pdf
 * Index:Comic minstrel (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical and merry tricks of Tom Thumb, the wonderful (1).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (11).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (12).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (5).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (6).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of Simple John and his twelve misfortunes (7).pdf
 * Index:Comical history of the king and the cobbler (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical sayings of Paddy from Cork (3).pdf
 * Index:Comical sayings of Paddy from Cork, with his coat buttoned behind (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical sayings of Pady from Cork, with his coat button'd behind (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical stories of Thrummy Cap and the Ghaist (3).pdf
 * Index:Comical stories of Thrummy Cap and the Ghaist (4).pdf
 * Index:Comical transactions of Lothian Tom (2).pdf
 * Index:Comical transactions of Lothian Tom (4).pdf
 * Index:Comical tricks of Lothian Tom (4).pdf
 * Index:Comical tricks of Lothian Tom (5).pdf
 * Index:Comical tricks of Lothian Tom (7).pdf
 * Index:Conquest of France (2).pdf
 * Index:Constant lovers, or, Jemmy and Nancy of Yarmouth (2).pdf
 * Index:Correct account of the life, confession, and execution of Willm. Burke (2).pdf
 * Index:Counsels to young men (2).pdf
 * Index:Court lady's true and ingenious fortune-book (2).pdf
 * Index:Culloden-day, an old song (2).pdf
 * Index:Daniel O'Rourke's wonderful voyage to the moon (3).pdf
 * Index:Dear meal (2).pdf
 * Index:Dialogue between John and Thomas, on the corn laws, the charter, teetotalism, and the probable remedy for the present disstresses (sic) (2).pdf
 * Index:Disappointed lover (2).pdf
 * Index:Dominie depos'd, or, Somr (sic) reflections on his intrigue with a young lass, and what happened thereupon (1).pdf
 * Index:Donald M'Donald (3).pdf
 * Index:Douglas & Piercy, or, The hunting at Chevychase (2).pdf
 * Index:Dream interpreter (1).pdf
 * Index:Drunken exciseman (2).pdf
 * Index:Duke of Gordon's daughters (5).pdf
 * Index:Duke of Gordon's daughters (6).pdf
 * Index:Duke of Gordon's three daughters (3).pdf
 * Index:Duke of Gordon's three daughters (4).pdf
 * Index:Duke of Gordon's three daughters (6).pdf
 * Index:English lady's complete catechism (2).pdf
 * Index:Entertaining history of John Cheap the Chapman (2).pdf
 * Index:Entertaining life & death of the amiable Lady Jane Gray (2).pdf
 * Index:Ewe-boughts Marion (2).pdf
 * Index:Fairfa' the lasses (2).pdf
 * Index:Fairy tales (2).pdf
 * Index:Faith's plea upon God's covenant (4).pdf
 * Index:Fun upon fun, or, Leper, the tailor (4).pdf
 * Index:Fun upon fun, or, The comical and merry tricks of Leper the tailor (4).pdf
 * Index:George and Britain save (2).pdf
 * Index:George and Britain save (3).pdf
 * Index:Golden dreamer, or, Dreams realised (4).pdf
 * Index:Golden dreamer, or, Dreams realized (1).pdf
 * Index:Gow's fareweel to whisky (3).pdf
 * Index:Grinning made easy, or, Funny Dick's unrivalled collection of jests, jokes, bulls, epigrams &c. (2).pdf
 * Index:Grog (2).pdf
 * Index:Hallow fair (4).pdf
 * Index:Harry Bluff (2).pdf
 * Index:Haughs of Crumdel (3).pdf
 * Index:Haughs of Crumdel (6).pdf
 * Index:Haughs of Crumdel (7).pdf
 * Index:He comes from the wars (2).pdf
 * Index:Highland laddie (1).pdf
 * Index:Highland plaid (5).pdf
 * Index:History of Charles Jones, the footman (4).pdf
 * Index:History of Cinderella, or, The little glass slipper (2).pdf
 * Index:History of Dr. Faustus (2).pdf
 * Index:History of Duncan Campbell, and his dog Oscar (2).pdf
 * Index:History of fair Rosamond (2).pdf
 * Index:History of Jack and the giants (7).pdf
 * Index:History of King Robt. Bruce (2).pdf
 * Index:History of Sir William Wallace the renowned Scottish champion (2).pdf
 * Index:History of the Cathedral, or High Church of Glasgow (2).pdf
 * Index:History of the destruction of Troy (1).pdf
 * Index:History of the Emperor Manalay, and his virtuous wife (1).pdf
 * Index:History of the king and the cobler (4).pdf
 * Index:History of the man with the iron mask (2).pdf
 * Index:History of the man with the iron mask (3).pdf
 * Index:History of the seven wise masters, of Rome (2).pdf
 * Index:History of the two children in the wood (2).pdf
 * Index:History of the wicked life and horrid death of Dr John Faustus (3).pdf
 * Index:History of the wicked life and horrid death of Dr. John Faustus (8).pdf
 * Index:History of Thomas Hickathrift (2).pdf
 * Index:History of Whittington (1).pdf
 * Index:History of Will and Jean, or, The sad effects of drunkenness (2).pdf
 * Index:Humourous adventures of Jump Jim Crow (2).pdf
 * Index:Humours of Glasgow fair (2).pdf
 * Index:Hunting of Chevy-chase (6).pdf
 * Index:Hunting of Chevy-chase (7).pdf
 * Index:Hurrah for the bonnets of blue (2).pdf
 * Index:Interesting history of Robert Burns (2).pdf
 * Index:Interesting history of Robert Burns (3).pdf
 * Index:Jaunting car (2).pdf
 * Index:Jemmy and Nancy of Yarmouth, or, The constant lovers (3).pdf
 * Index:John Anderson my Jo (2).pdf
 * Index:John Falkirk's cariches (5).pdf
 * Index:Jolly beggar (3).pdf
 * Index:Jolly beggar (6).pdf
 * Index:Jovial sons of Jove (2).pdf
 * Index:Kate Dalrymple and The flowers of the forest (2).pdf
 * Index:King's muster (2).pdf
 * Index:King's muster (3).pdf
 * Index:Lag's elegy, or, The prince of darkness (2).pdf
 * Index:Land of the thistle (1).pdf
 * Index:Life and adventures of Sir William Wallace, General and Governor of Scotland (3).pdf
 * Index:Life and adventures of Sir William Wallace, General and Governor of Scotland (4).pdf
 * Index:Life and death of Fair Rosamond, concubine to King Henry II (2).pdf
 * Index:Life and exploits of Rob Roy M'Gregor (4).pdf
 * Index:Life and meritorious transactions of John Knox (1).pdf
 * Index:Life and prophecies of Mr Alex. Peden (2).pdf
 * Index:Life and prophecies, of Alexander Peden (2).pdf
 * Index:Life and prophecies, of Alexander Peden (3).pdf
 * Index:Life of David Haggart who was executed at Edinburgh, 18th July, 1821 for the murder of the Dumfries jailor (1).pdf
 * Index:Life of John Knox (1).pdf
 * Index:Life of Richard Turpin (2).pdf
 * Index:Life of the honourable Col. James Gardiner (2).pdf
 * Index:Life of the martyr, John Brown, of Priesthill, in the parish of Muirkirk, Ayrshire (1).pdf
 * Index:Life of the martyr, John Brown, of Priesthill, in the parish of Muirkirk, Ayrshire (2).pdf
 * Index:Lilies of the valley (3).pdf
 * Index:London spy, or, The frauds of London described (1).pdf
 * Index:Long pack, or, A shot with Copenhagen (1).pdf
 * Index:Long pack, or, The robbers discovered (1).pdf
 * Index:Lord Roslin's daughter (2).pdf
 * Index:MacGregor Aurara (1).pdf
 * Index:Mad pranks of Tom Tram, son-in-law to Mother Winter (2).pdf
 * Index:Maggy Lauther (2).pdf
 * Index:Magic pill, or, Davie and Bess (2).pdf
 * Index:Magic pill, or, Davie and Bess (5).pdf
 * Index:Margaret and the minister; a true tale (2).pdf
 * Index:Massacre of Glenco (2).pdf
 * Index:Massacre of Glenco (3).pdf
 * Index:Massacre of Glencoe (6).pdf
 * Index:Merry tales of the wise men of Gotham (2).pdf
 * Index:Merry tales of the wise men of Gotham (5).pdf
 * Index:Merry tales of the wise men of Gotham (7).pdf
 * Index:Most strange and wonderful prophecy in the year 1684 (2).pdf
 * Index:My bonnie Mary (2).pdf
 * Index:Napoleon Bonaparte's book of fate (1).pdf
 * Index:Narrative of the battles of Drumclog, and Bothwell Bridge (3).pdf
 * Index:Narrative of the Battles of Drumclog, and Bothwell Bridge (4).pdf
 * Index:Narrative of the Battles of Drumclog, and Bothwell Bridge (5).pdf
 * Index:Narrative of the life of Mrs. Hamilton (2).pdf
 * Index:New game at cards, or, A pack of cards changed into a compleat and perpetual almanack (2).pdf
 * Index:New pictorial Bible (2).pdf
 * Index:New pictorial Bible (3).pdf
 * Index:New scrap-book (2).pdf
 * Index:New scrap-book (3).pdf
 * Index:New way of Johnny's grey-breeks (2).pdf
 * Index:News (2).pdf
 * Index:Night frae hame (2).pdf
 * Index:Odds and ends, or, A groat's-worth of fun for a penny (1).pdf
 * Index:Old Scotch ballad of Andrew Lammie, or, Mill of Tifty's Annie (3).pdf
 * Index:Old Scotch ballad of Andrew Lammie, or, Mill of Tifty's Annie (4).pdf
 * Index:Old Scots tragical song of Sir James the Rose (2).pdf
 * Index:Old Scots tragical song, of Sir James the Rose (2).pdf
 * Index:Old Scottish ballad of Andrew Lammie, or, Mill of Tifty's Annie (2).pdf
 * Index:Old Scottish tragical ballad of Sir James the Rose (3).pdf
 * Index:Old Scottish tragical ballad of Sir James the Rose (4).pdf
 * Index:Oxfordshire tragedy, or, The virgin's advice (3).pdf
 * Index:Penny-worth of wit's garland (1).pdf
 * Index:Penny-worth of wit's garland (3).pdf
 * Index:Peter Pickup and Tammie Treddles, or, The new patent thief catcher (1).pdf
 * Index:Picture of war (3).pdf
 * Index:Pilgrim's progress, from this world to that which is to come (2).pdf
 * Index:Pilgrim's progress, from this world to that which is to come (3).pdf
 * Index:Pleasant art of money-catching (2).pdf
 * Index:Pleasing art of money-catching (5).pdf
 * Index:Pleasing art of money-catching (8).pdf
 * Index:Prayer book for families and private persons (3).pdf
 * Index:Prophecies of Thomas Rymer (4).pdf
 * Index:Purgatory proved, illustrated, and set forth in a clear light (3).pdf
 * Index:Purgatory proved, illustrated, and set forth in a clear light (5).pdf
 * Index:Queen Mary's lamentation (2).pdf
 * Index:Rab and Ringan, a tale (2).pdf
 * Index:Rab and Ringan, a tale (4).pdf
 * Index:Rambling boy with The answer (2).pdf
 * Index:Reciter (1).pdf
 * Index:Recruiting officer, or, Over the hills & far away (2).pdf
 * Index:Remarkable family adventure of Saunders Watson (2).pdf
 * Index:Renowned history of the seven champions of Christendom (3).pdf
 * Index:Renowned history of the seven champions of Christendom (4).pdf
 * Index:Rob Roy, the celebrated Highland freebooter, or, Memoirs of the Osbaldistone family (1).pdf
 * Index:Rob Roy, the celebrated Highland freebooter, or, Memoirs of the Osbaldistone family (3).pdf
 * Index:Robin Aboon (1).pdf
 * Index:Robin Aboon (2).pdf
 * Index:Rock and the wee pickle tow, with The answer (2).pdf
 * Index:Rosanna (2).pdf
 * Index:Rosanna (3).pdf
 * Index:Roy's wife of Aldivalloch (3).pdf
 * Index:Sae will we yet (1).pdf
 * Index:Sailor's tragedy (6).pdf
 * Index:Sair sair was my heart (2).pdf
 * Index:Scots piper's queries, or, John Falkirk's cariches (4).pdf
 * Index:Sea songs (2).pdf
 * Index:Seraphim (2).pdf
 * Index:Shepherd's daughter (2).pdf
 * Index:Sir James the Rose (3).pdf
 * Index:Sir James the Rose (5).pdf
 * Index:Sketch of the life and character of His Royal Highness the late Duke of York (2).pdf
 * Index:Sleeping beauty of the wood (4).pdf
 * Index:Sorrow-dispenser, or, Humpy Funnydoss' bundle of mirth (2).pdf
 * Index:Sorrow-dispenser, or, Humpy Funnydoss' bundle of mirth (3).pdf
 * Index:Spaewife, or, Universal fortune-teller (1).pdf
 * Index:Spaewife, or, Universal fortune-teller (2).pdf
 * Index:Story of the bitter wedding (2).pdf
 * Index:Story of the little white mouse, or, The overthrow of the tyrant king (2).pdf
 * Index:Storys of Prince Lupin (2).pdf
 * Index:Storys of Prince Lupin (3).pdf
 * Index:Storys of Prince Lupin (4).pdf
 * Index:Storys of the bewitched fiddler (2).pdf
 * Index:Storys of The bewitched fiddler (3).pdf
 * Index:Storys of The three beggars (2).pdf
 * Index:Storys of The young robber (2).pdf
 * Index:Swiss patriot (2).pdf
 * Index:Taste life's glad moments (2).pdf
 * Index:Testimony to the work of reformation in Britain and Ireland (2).pdf
 * Index:Theatrical speaker (2).pdf
 * Index:Theatrical speaker (3).pdf
 * Index:Three crump twin brothers of Damascus (2).pdf
 * Index:Tibby Fowler (2).pdf
 * Index:Tom Thumb's royal riddle book for the trial of dull wits (1).pdf
 * Index:Tragical history of George Barnwell (3).pdf
 * Index:Tragical history of Gill Morice (2).pdf
 * Index:Tragical history of Gill Morice (3).pdf
 * Index:Tragical history of Gill Morice (6).pdf
 * Index:Traveller's return (2).pdf
 * Index:True and genuine account of Murdoch Currie (2).pdf
 * Index:True lover's garland (2).pdf
 * Index:Tullochgorum (3).pdf
 * Index:Tullochgorum (4).pdf
 * Index:Tullochgorum (5).pdf
 * Index:Twine weel the plaiden (2).pdf
 * Index:Vermin killer (2).pdf
 * Index:Very old song of the Roman nobleman, or, The cruel blackamoor in the wood (2).pdf
 * Index:Village curate (3).pdf
 * Index:Village curate (4).pdf
 * Index:Village curate (5).pdf
 * Index:Village curate (6).pdf
 * Index:Village sexton (2).pdf
 * Index:Village sexton (3).pdf
 * Index:Vocalist's song book (2).pdf
 * Index:Wae's me for Prince Charlie (1).pdf
 * Index:Wanton wife of Bath (2).pdf
 * Index:Wat'ry god (2).pdf
 * Index:Water warbler (2).pdf
 * Index:Watty & Meg, or, The wife reformed (4).pdf
 * Index:Wedding-ring, fit for the finger, or, The salve of divinity on the sore of humanity (3).pdf
 * Index:Wee wifukie, or, This is no me (2).pdf
 * Index:Wellington's address (2).pdf
 * Index:Wellington's address (3).pdf
 * Index:Whole proceedings of Jocky & Maggy's courtship with the great diversion that ensued at the wedding (2).pdf
 * Index:Widow's son raised from death (2).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (14).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (15).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (2).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (3).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (6).pdf
 * Index:Wife of Beith (7).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (13).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (16).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (18).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (2).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (7).pdf
 * Index:Witty and entertaining exploits of George Buchanan (9).pdf
 * Index:Wonderful advantages of drunkenness (2).pdf
 * Index:Woodman (2).pdf
 * Index:Woodpecker (2).pdf
 * Index:Year that's awa (2).pdf
 * Index:Young Lochinvar (4).pdf

—CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 00:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe I've tagged all the duplicate index pages (listed above) with delete now! —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 03:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Rose in Bloom

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Poems of John Donne (1896)

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An Incident at Stiffner’s

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Bound Together, A Sheaf of Papers

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Gulliver&

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The Religious Portions of the Shih King

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The Shû King

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Tiangong Kaiwu

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Rural Studies, with Hints for Country Places

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Speeches of Moses

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Palestine Order-in-Council

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On the Mysteries of the Egyptians, Chaldeans, and Assyrians

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The State and Revolution (marxists.org)

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Walk in the Light While There is Light

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Translation:Manshu
Ok, I think it's time we have this conversation…

Translation:Manshu describes itself as a Wikisource translation of

However, looking at it more closely it appears to be much more an original analytical work than anything that could be shoehorned to fit within our definition of a mere translation.

The front page is almost entirely original work (apart from a table of contents), partly semi-encyclopedic and partly meta-discussion about the effort itself.

Looking at Chapter 1 we find some actual translation, but mostly comparisons with a professionally published previous translation (Luce) that is quoted extensively, and translator's commentary that far exceeds the actual translated text itself. It also features a lot of images that obviously do not appear in any original, but have been picked to illustrate a particular point (i.e. how Wikipedia would construct an article).

Chapter 2 and onwards are the same, except they lack the extensive quotations from the published translation (Luce), but only because the effort to compare has not reached that point yet. Around Chapter 9 the translation appears incomplete with only the Chinese original text present.

Irrespective of the rest of this work, there is a question regarding the extensive quotations from the previous professional translation (link). It is a 1961 publication with copyright notice, so there is a high probability that it is in copyright (and thus the quotations are also copyvios). I haven't looked at this issue in detail, but if this discussion ends up keeping the work in some form we will have to address that separately (and if it is not in copyright, why are we not transcribing that instead of making our own?). The sole contributor to Translation:Manshu has a somewhat haphazard approach to copyright (e.g. claiming satellite imagery from Google Maps or similar as "own work") so the issue will have to be checked thoroughly.

But all that being said, this is also a great effort and a unique work that really should exist somewhere. If it were completed I'm certain it could have been professionally published, and it would be a real shame if all the effort that's gone into it was wasted. The contributor has not been active since 2018 (and the last large progress was in 2016), so I don't think it very likely that it will now ever be completed; but if a place is found for it even the partial translation is valuable, and could conceivably be completed by others at some point in the future. If the outcome of this discussion is that it is out of scope we should make a real effort to see whether a project like WikiBooks would be interested, and, if not, rather than simply delete it we should move it to the contributor's user space (a practice I am usually vehemently opposed to but am making an exception in this particular case).

In any case, it has kept popping up on my radar for various reasons, and I have always been torn on what to do about its issues. It seems clearly outside of scope per WS:WWI, doesn't meet WS:T, violates WS:ANN, and would most likely need cleanup to meet WS:COPY. So now I'm putting the question before the community: what do we do about this? --Xover (talk) 10:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * WS:T ought to address contributions like this, the first section on published works is redundant. Are there examples of Wikisource translations that have been in some way verified (validated)? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a lot, but they do exist. Translation:On Discoveries and Inventions is a recent example. --Xover (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It could go in User space for the time being. Maybe Wikibooks would want it? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm only able to comment on a small portion of this, which I hope might be helpful: https://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First has no results for Man shu or southern barbarians as title; nor Luce, Gordon as an author name; nor do Cornell University or Southeast Asia Program or Oey or Fan, Cho seem to have a relevant renewal under their names. Southeast Asia Program as a title reveals registration of other of these data papers as copyrighted works, but no renewal of this one. This suggests the copyright was never renewed on the Luce translation (possibly this is not surprising, as these weren't exactly blockbusters...) and it is now public domain, judging by Help:Public domain. If accurate, this should resolve the WS:COPY concern. Good luck with the rest of this matter! Dingolover6969 (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Response by author
Hi there, I am the primary author, an admin on English Wikipedia. I would say I have spent upwards of 500 hours on this translation. During the time it is alleged that I have been inactive, I was a founding team member at a very important company you would have heard of, and provided some of the earliest COVID map coverage on Wikipedia. Currently I run seven (7) companies and have a family, so it is fair to say I have 'other commitments'. I do still intend to complete the translation. Aside from time constraints, partly I have not been active on Wiki projects recently because I am living in China and this makes editing Wikiprojects a massive hassle due to the requirement for a VPN. Nevertheless, I noticed this deletion attempt by Xover and would like to respond objectively for the record. If we summarize the alleged issues they are as follows:
 * The translation includes commentary
 * That is simply because it is a good (ie. transparent/honest) translation.
 * Any accredited historian will agree this is a good (positive) feature.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * The work is incomplete
 * I am still finishing, I am just ridiculously busy and have been so for five years.
 * Incomplete and pending further effort is often simply the nature of voluntary work.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * The work includes quotations from previous translations
 * Fully cited and contextually presented, in academia, this is clearly fair use.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * The work includes satellite derived images
 * These images were constructed with great care based upon detailed context and are both low resolution and substantially original work in themselves.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * The translation is done by the contributor and openly licensed instead of being an out of copyright work of someone else which has been uploaded
 * IMHO as a student of history original translation is *great* to welcome and should be encouraged.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * Violates 'What Wikisource Includes' (WWI) 
 * Wikisource includes "Works created after 1925" / "Analytical and artistic works".
 * Wikisource includes "Translations"
 * To be perfectly honest I consider this assertion a truly baseless accusation that I frankly find highly offensive.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * "Doesn't meet" WS:T
 * Unclear what this means
 * The WST page clearly states that original translations are in-scope and acceptable (there is only one prior English translation and it is bad and incorrect)
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * Violates WS:ANN
 * I have never seen that page before in my life
 * Apparently it doesn't like parallel text
 * I would suggest strongly that parallel text provides the basis for most high caliber academic translations, it is my view that the policy page is wrong and further discussion to correct it should occur there.
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.
 * Requires cleanup to meet WS:COPY
 * Unsure what this is actually alleging
 * Aside from original work there is only contextual quotations from other works in line with an academic translation
 * This does not in any way support 'delete'.

Sincerely, Pratyeka (talk) 10:12, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that Xover also deleted my maps. This is a great loss. I cannot recreate them as I do not have access to the context at the time. This is truly a tragedy. I am ... highly alarmed and stressed at this turn of events and will cease contributing further to Wikipedia projects. Pratyeka (talk) 10:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Could someone with more time please go through the undeletion process on my behalf. It is... truly a great tragedy. Multiple academics had thanked me for this work. Pratyeka (talk) 12:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * These maps are not appropriate for enWS (or Commons), because they contain copyright material: the satellite photos. There is no allowance here, as there is at enWP, for fair use or de minimis, and resolution doesn't affect it. I imagine the "correct" solution is to either locate a suitable base maps from Commons (or NASA or other PD source), draw your own, or commission them via c:Commons:Graphics Lab/Map workshop.
 * If the presumption of copyright is incorrect (e.g. the photos are PD or freely licenced), then let me know and they can be restored and correct attribution and licence declarations made. In that case, they actually belong at Commons.
 * Sadly, being thanked by academics does not overrule copyright.
 * Even if these are copyrighted, I can also provide you with the files if you do not have access to them any more. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 14:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see you're editing again. I'm not sure why you felt it relevant to mention that you have +sysop on enwp, but since you bring it up… as an admin on enwp you should be well familiar with the need to make policy-based arguments in such discussions and to familiarise oneself with the policy on the project. I have raised several policy-based concerns, and your response addresses none of them. However, to reiterate the challenges:The text on Translation:Manshu is not a mere translation of a previously published work. It contains substantial portions of your own analysis, comparisons, and commentary: all of which is original rather than previously published content. In enwp terms, think of it as "original research": it's not a perfect analogy, but the problem is similar. This is out of scope for English Wikisource. In addition, you include extensive quotations from the other (professionally published) translation, but that translation is not public domain or compatibly licensed. Fair use content is not permitted on English Wikisource (and even on enWP only in very narrow and limited circumstances), which puts in violation of our licensing policy.Now, as I wrote above, this is an impressive work and I am sure it is a valuable contribution to the knowledge in that area of study. It just isn't compatible with the policies on Wikisource. In other words, if it is to stay here it will have to be stripped down so that it only contains the translation, without embellishment, of the original text and all non-public domain elements removed. I imagine that's not your first choice as I get the impression it is the analytical parts of the work that interest you the most. So as an alternative, works such as this may be in scope for WikiBooks: their scope explicitly includes original works so long as it falls within their definition of "educational". As another Wikimedia sister project it is possible to import the pages between projects, even preserving revision history. If you need it we can try to facilitate contact with the Wikibooks community to get the ball rolling. --Xover (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This whole situation is insulting. The work is clearly a Wikisource translation of a work in the public domain, and is thus in scope, your complaints about the annotations aside. This discussion should never have been started, and much less dragged on this long. The problem with the maps is unfortunate, but the rest is irrelevant. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and I would love nothing better than to see much much wider participation in discussions here and on WS:CV so that we could properly determine community consensus and within a reasonable time. That's why I so very much appreciate your efforts to participate in both venues! However, meanwhile we have to operate within the reality that exists. I am sorry if you found this insulting, but there really is no other way to address such issues. --Xover (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry, that was a bit much. My apologies. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Very regretfully voting for . This is really very unfortunate and can serve as an example why it is so important to get familiar with the project and its rules and practices before starting a major work. Had this happened, a lot of disappointment could have been avoided. Reasons of my vote:1) It contains quite extensive original text by the contributor, which is never accepted here. There are many reasons why not, one of them being that WS has neither capacity nor educated specialists to thoroughly review appropriateness and correctness of such texts, as all contributors focus here on simple proofreading. If we made one exception, it would be difficult to refuse others who would understand it as a precedent, which must not happen.2) The contributor admitted that the work contains some parts justified by fair use, which is not accepted here. Were this the only problem, I personally would incline to be quite tolerant, but from my own experience I know that the WS community is not.3) The translation does not seem to have been done in accordance with WS:Translations, as it was not based on a scan supported original language work present on the appropriate language wiki.I agree with moving the work to the user's namespace, or (if possible) with its transwikiing to Wikibooks. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Adding some more reasons:4) The chapters contain both the original and the translated text, which is not in accordance with WS:Translation either. (This might be acceptable only if we had a pure translated version which would be accompanied with annotated version, and this annotated version could contain the original text for comparison too. But this is just a hypothetical possibility, because it would not solve the other mentioned problems anyway.)5) It is supposed to be a translation of a digitized 1774 edition. Unfortunately, there is no link to this digitized edition, but I found it at Google Books. It is not fully available there, but it seems to be the same edition as File:SSID-12476674 蠻書.pdf. If true, then this edition completely lacks any illustrations, while our translation contains illustrations. Some chapters are even illustrated with modern photos, like Chapter 8. Such compilations are quite strictly forbidden by WS:What Wikisource includes.6) The work is incomplete and abandoned, and the reason probably is not only the author waiting for the result of this discussion. Very unfortunately, the author has stopped contributing to all Wikimedia projects. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Putting aside questions of copyrighted material needing removal, can the footnotes be kept in? I'm not asking this as a policy question; more of a personal question as to whether or not you think they're useful to Wikisource readers as content. Policies shmolicies; policies only exist to serve the purpose of keeping the site consistent and/or useful to its goals (and our policies are written badly anyway, as you yourself admit). And we can rewrite policies or ignore them if we find they are against usefulness.
 * I think the rest of the descriptive content at the tops of the chapters/front matter in the form of entire sections and paragraphs can be stripped out. But, the annotations, to me, seem to be more consistent with what you'd find in most other translated material in both online and print works, and in the form of footnotes is not as intrusive.
 * Personally, I think the paragraphed content looks too encyclopedic and/or personal in nature, and probably belongs on an encyclopedia or somewhere else. But if I were reading this, I'd find the footnotes useful, as you don't have to read them (if you don't want), and they do seem to elaborate on bits of the translation that might not otherwise be easily understood. In other words, if a word has multiple meanings or interpretations in an ancient text, a footnote might be useful to elaborate on that context.
 * I'm not into ancient Chinese literature or what have you, or even translations at all, but if I were to want to read something like this, as an uninformed reader who is unaware of our community and practices (and keep in mind, that's most of our site's traffic!), that would be my initial impression. PseudoSkull (talk) 03:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * (Although, I would even say the sheer number of footnotes should be severely cut down, and we should probably keep them to a minimum. And the references to "me" or "myself", etc. should be also removed as they go against the concept of neutrality.) PseudoSkull (talk) 03:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @PseudoSkull: I'm not sure I understand your question.I have a long(er) version of this reply (available on request, but best dealt with elsewhere), but the short version is that in this work the footnotes are out of scope because they're user-generated content. For Wikisource translations in general there is an argument to be made that strictly limited annotations (start with "word X can mean either Y or Z" and expand from there) can have value that justifies their cost, but I am not at all sure I would find that persuasive when it got down to brass tacks. The prohibition on adding user-generated content to texts is one of the few bright-line rules we have, and poking holes in it (making exceptions) quickly puts us in an untenable situation trying to manage it.If you're asking about intrinsic value, I certainly think this translation including its footnotes have intrinsic value. I just don't think it's compatible with Wikisource, and there are lots of different options for hosting it (including free and cheap commercial web hosting, that IA will happily archive permanently). Xover (talk) 08:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I certainly appreciate the thought you've put into this. And my lack of interest in the area of translation is the main reason I didn't vote. If you'd like to give me the full explanation, I'd appreciate something technical and verbose to read probably when I'm supposed to be working, so go ahead and email it to me if you want.
 * From what I can see, though, translations seem to themselves be a sort of annotation, since liberties inherently have to be taken for each word and phrase translated. This is why translations garner their own separate copyrights from the original works. So, I'm suggesting maybe we could loosen the rules for annotation in translations, but... Maybe it's not my place to get involved.
 * In any case, is it about time to close this discussion? It's been around for almost 3 years now, and the inevitable (and perhaps regrettable) deletion should probably just be done and gotten over with, with all apology to Pratyeka of course. Consensus, at least about deletion, seems to be clearly here. What to do with the work afterward might be the subject of another discussion. PseudoSkull (talk) 11:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I am afraid I must now vote to delete this text. The text is not quite up to policy, although I don’t believe that the inconsistencies are so serious as to require deletion. A number of points raised here are ones which with I strongly disagree, and I stand by the sentiments in my original comment. I also entirely agree with my !vote and comment in the circumstances in which they were given. However, intervening circumstances have changed the basis of my !vote. Specifically, the fact that the original user who began the work on this translation has left motivates my change in !vote. I also specifically blame the user who started this deletion discussion for causing the result of the discussion, as I did in my original !vote comment. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 04:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your antipathy, both general and specific, is noted. Xover (talk) 08:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I have asked at Wikibooks whether they are interested in this work. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


 * This section was archived on a request by: --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)