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Winter (Beebe)

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Short Titles Act 1896

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Template:Table-page

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Template:Cl-act-paragraph and family

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Index:An Answer to the Declaration of the American Congress.djvu

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Index:15_decisive_battles_of_the_world_Vol_2_(London).djvu

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Lorem ipsum

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Author:Kenji Hatanaka

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Nihil novi

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Page redirects to Translation namespace — where to now?

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WS:Works-A, WS:Works-B, and WS:Works-C

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Index:A Handbook for Travellers in Spain - Vol 2.pdf

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Letter from the President to the Congress of the United States Regarding the notice about Belarus

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Letter from the President to the President of the Senate

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Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

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Franklin to Benjamin Webb

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Project disclaimers

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Some really poor quality scans

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Index:The New Testament in the original Greek - 1881.djvu

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Ronald Reagan&

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Index:The Pilgrim's Progress.djvu

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Nihon Shoki

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Running security mechanisms for acceptable Generalized safety

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The Statutes Revised

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The City of God and On Christian Doctrine

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Tennessee Code Annotated/2011

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Author:Jacques Chirac and Speech of the French President for the World Summit on sustainable development

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Template:PD-UK-EdictGov

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Author:Shriram Sharma Acharya and his works

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Template:Sn-paragraph

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Psalms (Bible)
{{closed|deleted —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)|text= There have been translation comparisons kicking around the Bible project for a long time: Psalms (Bible) is the biggest though Bible/Genesis/1 also exists as do a number of templates under Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Bible/. Since these kinds of works are listed as banned on Wikisource, and since some new users have started contributing to these pages again, I think it's time we move them to Wikibooks or delete them altogether. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * {{comment}} There has previously been discussion about some of these pages, and they are probably in the archives of this page (otherwise WS:S archives), think it was when we did our last big upgrade to disambiguation and versions. The pages represent what we were at a point of time, for a short span of time. If the argument is coming around again, might be worth a summation of that discussion first. Personally, I have learnt to develop a blind spot, from avoiding the argument. I doubt that WB wants them. So it may be that we have to grandfather them, though that may mean moving them out of main ns and just let people hammer away on them but not encourage any similar such activity. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The previous discussions come from Requests for comment/Annotations and derivative works, specifically #Comparisons. Consensus was that such pages are to be banned. I think they should not be grandfathered, since they're incomplete; we should either unban or remove, and I prefer the latter course. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * {{comment}} This is a different situation to previous discussions, since the pages currently under discussion do not display parallel text. The current discussion covers pages that look more like versions pages for specific verses of the Bible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * {{ping|EncycloPetey}} The purpose of these pages is to be "a comparison of various English translations" (source). Most of them are incomplete, which is the reason they don't always display parallel text the way one might expect. However, if they are truly disambiguation/versions pages, we have another problem: do we really want to allow individual disambiguation of individual verses of text? In past discussions, I've brought up the question of creating versions pages for excerpts from larger works, such as Our Father or Psalm 23, and the result of that discussion was that such pages are appropriate if those excerpts have been published as standalone works unto themselves. Do we really want to extend this, and allow versions pages for every single verse regardless of publication status or our policy on exerpts—noting that if it is permissible for Biblical works, then it should also be permissable for all other hosted works? Finally, I should point out that the list of versions on each of these pages in question, if fully completed, is identical to the whole work's version page (Psalms (Bible)) with the only addition being the translation comparison. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * {{comment}} I think these verse version pages can be very useful, not for being a way of comparison between translations but for the sole purpose of being able to be link for references. I've come along many works that reference a bible verse and I don't know which version to link to, so I don't and leave them as they were and it's a shame. These version pages could be a nice way to link to them and would let the end user choose which version suits them. It would be nice if they could be automatically populated also, as each transcription takes place. Also I don't see a problem with these verse version pages being used with other works which are heavily referenced and have multiple translations. Jpez (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I do admit that such pages would really be valuable for linking to individual verses without specifying the version (an improvement on the current {{tl|bibleverse}}. I still think that such an effort belongs at Wikibooks more than here. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of the {{tl|bibleverse}} template until now and have been explicitly linking. The obvious choice for most works we currently host is the KJV because this was the commonly available and used version throughout the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. With respect to the main topic of discussion, my comments in the 2013 discussion still stand. The pages are ugly, other sites do it better, I believe it's beyond our remit. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * +1 to Beeswaxcandle. Comparative versions are annotation versions, without real copies, and not supported by scans. They sit there ugly and untouched as no one knows what to do with them. I still favour deleting them, though know that will cause a ruckus. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * {{vd}} Having pondered over this I vote delete. If it's not in our scope it shouldn't be here. If it can be hosted on wikibooks it would be a nice way to link for references, but as Beeswaxcandle mentioned KJV is the best option for this and is where I will be linking to from hereon, unless the work mentions otherwise. Jpez (talk) 06:02, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Ditto, for the Qur'an
I just noticed Qur'an/Al-Fatiha also; if no one objects I'll clear it out with the rest. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC) }}
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Basic Concepts of Iranian Constitution

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Experimental long form Chronological Tables

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Index:The poems of Emma Lazarus vol 1.djvu

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Author:Tricia M. Whitehill

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Index:The Life Story of a Viennese Whore, as Told by Herself.pdf

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Category:Kalevala (Crawford)

 * OK, the category itself was deleted, but all the links to it are still there on all the pages from the work. Those links will also need to be removed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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More Canadian politicians

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Index:The Presidents of the United States 1789–1914 (Vol. 1).djvu and Page: pages

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Guan Yu Sanguozhi Zizhi Tongjian

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Author:Tome Egumenoski

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The Pope and the Council

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Legislation Verses Of Quran

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Two Years' Vacation

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Songs of The Doon School

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Wikipedia- The Missing Manual

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Template:Tf

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Author-based poem categories

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The following author-based categories are of the sort that are usually deleted by consensus: —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:14, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Poems by Gavrila Derzhavin‎
 * Category:Poems by Mikhail Lermontov‎‎
 * Category:Poems by Osip Mandelstam‎
 * Category:Poems by Vladimir Mayakovsky‎
 * Category:Poetry by Alexander Pushkin‎‎
 * Category:Poems by Marina Tsvetaeva


 * Delete. Categories that are by should not exist. These are two separate category trees on Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * There are two more in case of deletion: Category:Poems by Catullus + Category:Poems by John Donne.— Mpaa (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree to remove, noting that they will need to be replaced with something like Category:Russian poetry]] . — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * They are subcats of Category:Russian poetry, but yeah the pages in the categories will have to be moved there before the subcats are deleted. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Similarly, there is Category:John Boyle O'Reilly poems‎ as well. Maybe we should get rid of Category:Poems by author entirely? The only item in that category that is worth categorizing as such is Category:Poems written by children. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:22, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Poems written by children can exist without being a subcat of Category:Poems by author, which is a misleading supercat anyway, since "children" is a type of author, not a particular author. BD2412 T 13:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Why is it desirable to have a "Poems written by children" cat? Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm ambivalent, but I think the point being made is that it does not run afoul of the particular issue under consideration in this thread, as that category name is not constructed in the same pattern. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I found some more such categories. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Short stories by Leonid Andreyev‎‎
 * Category:Short stories by Anton Chekhov‎
 * Category:Collections of short stories by Anton Chekhov‎
 * Category:Short stories by Fyodor Dostoyevsky‎
 * Category:Short stories by Nikolai Gogol‎
 * Category:Short stories by Maxim Gorky‎
 * Category:Short stories by Alexander Pushkin‎
 * Category:Short stories by Leo Tolstoy‎
 * Category:Non-fiction works by Leo Tolstoy‎
 * Category:Letters by Leo Tolstoy
 * Category:Short stories by Ivan Turgenev‎
 * Category:Speeches by Haile Selassie
 * Category:Letters and speeches of Oliver Cromwell‎
 * Category:Speeches by Jefferson Davis‎
 * Category:Speeches by Barack Obama‎
 * Category:Songs by Irving Berlin‎
 * 11 subcategories of Category:United States Presidential Proclamations‎
 * Category:Shakespearean plays‎
 * Category:Presidential notices of Donald John Trump‎
 * 11 subcategories of Category:The New Student's Reference Work/Authors
 * 128 subcategories of Category:EB9:Authors
 * 7 subcategories of Category:United States presidential radio addresses‎
 * Category:Presidential memoranda of Donald John Trump
 * Category:Presidential determinations of Donald John Trump‎
 * 27 subcategories of Category:United States executive orders‎
 * Category:Letters by Al-Ghazali
 * Category:Matsuo Bashō
 * Category:Homeric texts


 * The Cat:Executive orders and also Proclamations I'm divided in opinion. These are effectively subcategories divided by governmental administrations. They could just as easily be said to be divided by years, and although they could be renamed that way, it is usually much more useful to have then identified by which US president headed that administration. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with you, even though they fit the same pattern. Do you think Presidential memoranda, determinations, radio addresses, notices, and possibly speeches should be kept for the same reason? If not, why? I'm not American and I'm not really familiar with US Presidential official writings. Also keeping in mind that if such American presidential categories are okay, then so are similar categories for presidents, monarchs, and other officials in any country whatsoever. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would argue that it's not the ruler that's the organizing principle here, but the administration, and a government is not always tied to a particular monarch. In the UK, older documents might indeed be organized by monarch, but only where there is a fixed and established set of official forms of documents to organize under such. But in modern UK, for example, it would not be suitable to have categories for George V, or Elizabeth II, as they are not the head of the UK government. Rather, UK administration is tied to the prime minister. So if we were to extend this principle, it would make more sense to organize by Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron, etc. However, I'm not certain whether the PM of the UK issues executive decisions in the same way that a US president does, and certainly did not do so if you go back far enough.


 * I am not certain that radio addresses should be kept, even for US presidents, as they do not hold the weight found in executive orders or determinations. Those latter are both instruments of executive power, which a radio address is not. This issue is probably one that will need some discussion, some consensus, and a written guideline that we can then point to in future. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I only created the categories because there was no place to put them and other U.S. Presidents have some of the same categories. As for the U. K., I'd say it would be under the Prime Minister once they were head of the government. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Living author pages with no works

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Author:Stephen Harper and his works

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Index:Infesto sancti joanis baptista.pdf

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Selections from the Sahih of al-Buhari

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Index:Chapter 4, pp. 48-57 (1890 ed.).pdf

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Selections from the Ṣaḥīḥ of al-Buḫārī

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The Decameron

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bad title versus red link

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Jana Gana Mana

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Don Juan in Hell

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Messiah (oratorio)

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