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February 2013 suggestion
{{closed|Proclamation 95 featured for January 2012 - AdamBMorgan (talk) 06:22, 29 December 2012 (UTC) I know that The Art of Nijinsky was chosen for Jan 2013, but proofreading Weld's The Bible Against Slavery reminded me that January marks the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation. Perhaps we have several works related to anti-slavery, etc. that could be put in FT rotation in commemoration? Maybe February's slot, as it is Black History Month (and Lincoln's birthday)? Just thinking out loud, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Black History Month wouldn't be too bad for something on Lincoln but know that many in this nation do not view Lincoln as someone to celebrate. He brought war to the south and his armies left the south in ruins due to their huge population and massive industrial capabilities. That war which Lincoln brought to this split nation never had to happen. Then for 12 years there was "Reconstruction" for the southerners to endure as political persons favored by the enemy government ( northern government) into southern positions and no one who had served their homeland, families, and friends in support of the Confederate States of the South were allowed to even vote. What about Lee-Jackson Day celebrated in the South? What about "Maury Day" that was once celebrated in all of Virginia's schools? The Emancipation Proclamation served as propaganda for slaves to rise up in the south and war against southerners. Note that no states that had slaves and did not side with the Confederacy had to free their slaves. Note too that Lincoln's speech freed no slaves. It was political propaganda. In reference to the Bible were and still are books supporting slavery and the Bible. There were ministers who debated each other on the topic. This entire nation was divided before Lincoln started that war by invading the south. Lincoln knowingly "required" 75,000 armed troops to form and march against the lower southern states. No way were her sister states going to produce a quota and march against their own people and Lincoln wasn't that stupid to think the other southern states would produce those troops. Instead, more states not in the Confederacy joined the Confederacy and none started the war until they were provoked by Lincoln sending ships against the south.  In short, the north, with thousands of immigrants, i.e. as those from Ireland and desperate from the years of the potato famine, were placed as pawns to fight against the south -- an area of people they did not even know. The poor and desperate Irish (part of my ancestry) fought and slaughtered one another in Fredericksburg, Virginia which is where one often can hear of "brother against brother"  &mdash;  William Maury Morris II  {{sup| Talk }} 02:41, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: If The Bible Against Slavery can be put in order in time, then I'd favor featuring that text, as it covers both a historical and a religious angle. We haven't had an American history text for well over a year (Susan B. Anthony in Sept 2011), and I don't think a religious text of any sort has ever been featured here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't know how the military works today but not long ago there were certain things one did not talk about because it causes disputes among people. Religions were one of those things not to chat about because it can cause disputes. This may be why the Bible has not been featured here -- which Bible?, which version? -- why not converse and produce works of other religions in total fairness -- why not the most holy prophet that many nations of today follow? -- Disputes then wars and more is a good reason not to bring up some things since we all have our beliefs and perhaps none of these match everyone's religious beliefs. There was, in near history, a lady who drew images that she apparently decided were interesting and the FBI offered to place her elsewhere, for her own protection, and with a different identity. This area on WS covers the WORLD. It is not confined to any one version of "The Bible" of Christianity or did you mean a different Bible? &mdash; William Maury Morris II  {{sup| Talk }} 03:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know what the military has to do with featuring a text, but I am always irked by people who think "the world" and "fairness" somehow apply to everything except Christianity. I have sat at a company dinner at which someone proclaimed, in all seriousness, "We should kill all the Christians."  I hope that you are as offended by that sentiment as I was, because genocide ranks among the foulest of crimes.  Please be as tolerant of Christianity as you would want others to be tolerant of your beliefs, and do not single out one people or one set of beliefs for persecution.  If you truly believe in fairness, then you must be fair to Christianity.  Censoring a text from being featured, simply because it is a religious text, is counter to fairness, tolerance, and the spirit of wiki. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The military just served as one simple example. The point was that some situations can cause problems that quickly grow out of proportion. I am not always "irked" by what I see or hear, so that comment you heard would not apply to me. It is the deeds that follow, whether null, bad or good that count in my viewpoints. I would not be "offended" about such as statement that you have presented. Since you were so annoyed by it then what is it that you did because of that statement? I would suggest that you did nothing and the reason, at least in part, would be because you knew better than to try something. Regarding my being tolerant about Christianity is almost funny because you are far off course in that statement. I am a Christian, was baptized as a baby, and confirmed at age 12 in my Episcopal church. My ancestry, for the most part, after leaving Europe for religious freedoms here were men of the cloth, Episcopalian. The Rev. James Maury was am ancestor who taught his children, as well as the likes of Thomas Jefferson who lived with my kin for 2 years. Ministers of God are threaded all throughout my family down through history. I myself I was an alter boy as a teen (complete with black and white robe) and at one point a singer in my church choir. I once was in Theocratic Ministry school. I still sing at my preferred church but being inclined to some open mindedness, I am no longer just in an Episcopal church which my own ancestors built stone by stone. But I am also aware of the things I have written prior to this. I think that perhaps you get offended too easily because my points were not looking towards any person here. My points were about religions of the world and how some people will get more than annoyed or irked as you once did. Regardless that this area is a "wiki", it presents materials to the *world* including the Middle East. It is not good to stir up dust because all too often our soldiers shed their blood in it. 'Nuff said, Godspeed, &mdash; William Maury Morris II  {{sup| Talk }} 04:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment at the risk of stirring the pot, we are already having a set of works with a religious theme in October with the theme for Hallowe'en. Sure, it's a pagan religious theme, but it is nonetheless religious. With respect to LJB's original suggestion of celebrating Black History month, I think it might be better to move Nijinksy to later in 2013 and feature appropriate text(s) for the 150th anniversary in January. I freely admit that this is because I would like to see a New Zealand work in February, as that month celebrates the founding of our nation. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Nijinsky can be moved and we can even repeat the Halloween cyclic approach for a few texts in January if that works and there is agreement. Regarding the controversy and divisiveness of the Emancipation Proclamation, it seems to be a significant anniversary of a significant historical document.  It may be propaganda but it is at least notable, historical propaganda. (That said, the current Emancipation Proclamation page should probably be split—I've tagged it but I'll wait for an opinion here—it's half validated & scan-backed (acceptable for FT) and half second-hand text with no source or provenance (not acceptable). In general I prefer balance rather than avoidance in these situations: we can always feature an appropriate pro-Confederate text, either during a January cycle or in a later month.  I would prefer the latter just because it is easier. For example, although April (Confederate History Month) is provisionally taken, March is close and still open. I know we have appropriate texts, it would just mean deciding which one.  (For the record, in the same spirit of non-avoidance, I would support featuring works such the Bible or Qur'an if nominated but none of ours are actually of the best quality at the moment.)  - AdamBMorgan (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It is not just "the Bible that has been presented here. It is the work of one man, a man of no biases? -- Weld's version, The Bible Against Slavery. There were many ministers on both sides of America's "Civil War" (it was not a "Civil War") aka "WBTS", "Lincoln's Invasion", &c., &c. that preached "the Bible" and yet they preached opposing viewpoints. It is good that slavery was eradicated out of both the North (which owned slaves and owned the ships that brought slaves from Africa to the North and South) and the south which had slaves. Black History Month will cover that issue many times over. &mdash; William Maury Morris II  {{sup| Talk }} 16:39, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I wasn't initially proposing Weld's work; it merely reminded me of January's anniversary. But I wouldn't be against including it in a rotation of texts—to include the Proclamation. Totally up to y'all, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment While I believe too few in the north understand people of the South who had families and friends killed, maimed like our soldiers of today, but who also had their homes burned, so much destroyed and people left starving and because I know some of that history including my own families and their friends, I am willing to support your suggestions and especially since you are polite and using good manners. I just had to state some things I know about and feel strongly about. I was in the group, Sons of the Confederacy, am a descendant of an American Revolutionary War veteran and my wife a member of the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) and the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution). We had families, lots of kin and collateral kin and their friends, many of whom did not want the Union split but War came anyhow. What would you do. What would your husband do? Men in the south had to, without choice, march off to the front lines and face horrors and death for the sake of *trying* to *protect* all that was sacred to them even if they were to be maimed, to suffer unknown horrors -- all for the sake of their family and homes. POWs suffered horribly in the south as well as the north. The south ran out of food and could not feed their own armies much less feed northern pows well whereas the north had plenty of food but gave pow southerners nearly nothing to eat and survive on. It was Lincoln, Stanton, and Grant that caused the horrible conditions of all pows, north and south. It was intentional and Grant wrote about it. His orders were to stop all pow exchanges and thus both northern soldiers and southern soldiers, as prisoners of war suffered horrors and often died in prisoner of war camps. The south wanted the opposite and I know the reasons. Espy Diehl was one such Northern POW in "Andersonville" POW camp. His tombstone is there above his remains at this very moment. My previous wife "Jody" was born "in the land of Lincoln", Illinois and strongly pro-north about that war until she learned from the very book she purchased for me that Grant had stopped all POW exchanges. She has always learned a northern viewpoint and had not considered a southern viewpoint. She changed her thinking when she read about Grant stopping all prisoner of war exchanges. Her ancestor, Espy Diehl, in Andersonville would have lived had it not been for Grant stopping all POW exchanges. He would have lived and would be out of the military because his time was up as it was for many others in southern pow camps. Grant knew those men would just go home. He also knew Southern POWS would have to fight again for the same reasons they had joined the armies of the south. Grant would have to re-fight freed southerners while freed northerners were free of the army and could go home. Grant did not want that. A man fighting for his home and family back home will fight to the death. Old men and young boys did the same in the south because the men were in prisoners up north. The North invaded the South and continued with destruction -- a mere spelling of a word -- "destruction" but learn of what that meant and that word becomes truly defined. Even the Northerners wanted Grant removed because Grant would send thousands of men into battle knowing many would die but also many southerners would die in that same battle. Grant knew the north could easily supply more men and that the south could not due to population growth and immigration into the north before that war. The Northerners called Grant "a Butcher!" Lincoln told them, "I need this man, he fights" and so the war continued. At Cold Harbor General U S Grant lost thousands of men in a very short while against Lee's men. Yet Grant heavily out-numbered General Robert Edward Lee's men. By the way, U S Grant sounds good doesn't it -- also "Uncle Sam Grant" and "Unconditional Surrender" Grant. He was born as Hiram Ulysses Grant - "HUG"  His name was changed when he went to West Point and he never corrected it. Simpson was his mother's maiden name and he held on to U S Grant.  Whatever, I am remembering and writing too much on this and partly because of strong feelings about that war, the invasion and the reasons of it all and how it, that war and all associated with it including reconstruction in the south under bayonet rule for 12 years....just imagine this happening to you and your own families if anyone can even come near to "imagine" that well. Espy Diehl, probably never saw himself as an invader of the South and for his sake I hope that he didn't, but he died of starvation and his mortal remains are at Andersonville with others even now and our beloved government, the USA government, made that specific POW camp in the South a National Landmark and Cemetery for all soldiers while most POW camps in the north were demolished.  One last statement on this hasty history--you will get your desire for the work/s you suggest. I know this as a Fact. I am not guessing. I am basing this statement on experience. I hold none of my statements against anyone here in any way. I have shared what I know of some history. (Not proofread) &mdash;  William Maury Morris II  {{sup| Talk }} 18:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Proclamation 95
A formal nomination for Proclamation 95, the "Emancipation Proclamation" issued in January 1863. January 2013 is the 150th anniversary of this historically important text. Proclamation 93, the other Emancipation Proclamation, is both not eligible (as it is second-hand) and has already had its 150th anniversary (almost two weeks ago at time of writing). I don't believe this proclamation is itself too divisive compared to other material on or from the civil war. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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 * Support — Ineuw talk 01:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 12:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

The Art of Nijinsky
NB: Moved from the ../2012 / archive. Displaced from February 2013 and reinserted as March 2013's featured text.

Magic (Ellis Stanyon)
NB: This featured text was initially featured in June 2013 but it was displaced by one month to allow Laura Secord: A Study in Canadian Patriotism to be featured on the 200th anniversary. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Tracks of McKinlay and party across Australia
NB: This featured text was delayed by one month to allow Laura Secord: A Study in Canadian Patriotism to be featured on the 200th anniversary. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

The Legend of Sleepy Hollow
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