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2008 Republican National Convention/Mitt Romney's Republican National Convention speech
I wonder what copyright license or permission applies to this speech while this is nowhere fitting PD-USGov or PD-EdictGov.--Jusjih (talk) 00:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, we must discuss all of the speeches from 2008 Republican National Convention. --Eliyak T · C 02:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would presume they were all written down beforehand... in which case, an easy . Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * delete we have discussed this general topic matter before, and it will be in the archives. I will dig — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment similar previous discussions (Possible copyright violations/Archives/2009-08 Possible copyright violations/Archives/2010-09). I believe that they enable a quicker determination through previous discussion. In all these cases, and they will occur into the future, that we should have clear statements that it is the preferred position of WS that speeches by political figures there should be a request to republish and guidance to the OTRS. [Note, that we need to do the OTRS documentation, rather than just keep pointing to Commons:Commons:OTRS — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * U.S. speeches made as part of federal government work would be OK (these however are part of Republican party function, not part of their federal duties). And I think that starting just recently, speeches by UK government officials may also be OK, per their new CC-like license.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, not PD. BD2412 T 04:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * all of 2008 Republican National Convention; even those speeches given by sitting federal officials are not covered by PD-USGov, as they were not given "as part of that person's official duties". - Htonl (talk) 14:29, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Last time we had the discussion, two points were brought up. For one the Speech or Debate Clause has been called upon to protect them in such speeches, which implies they're acting as part of their official duties. Speech or Debate Clause goes against that, but it was asserted, and never appealed. Not only that, even if the clause doesn't cover them, the job of a senator or the like is not a narrow one; when they hold forth publically on the US Government as "Senator" So-and-So, it's doing what their job calls them to do.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting, but would that extend to convention speeches? From what I've seen of those speeches—I haven't read all of them—they're mostly about how great the (Democratic|Republican) Party is and how great (Barack Obama|John McCain) would be as President, which to my mind is well outside of "official duties" territory. But I'm open to correction; is there any case law on the topic? - Htonl (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Campaign speeches are not "any Speech or Debate in either House", are not part of a Senator's duties as a Senator, and in any case have nothing to do with copyright.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * , see --Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Patrick Buchanan's Speech to 1992 GOP Convention
Slipping in another work of the same ilk. No licence provided, speech would not be PD-USGov and no other licences seem applicable nor indications that the speech is in the public domain. — billinghurst  sDrewth  20:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead of doing this piecemeal, perhaps we should consider a mass nomination of everything in Category:Democratic Convention speeches and Category:Republican Convention speeches? Nothing in either of them is old enough to be PD by virtue of age, and I don't think any of them could be covered by PD-USGov by their very nature as party-political speeches. - Htonl (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * , see --Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

A Time for Choosing
Seems to fall under this banner too. We need to resolve the issue. Billinghurst (talk) 02:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment -- What's left to resolve? It's a gray area as far as the pro or con legal arguments & interpretations, strict or otherwise, go. WS should not risk "infringement" until a more definitive court opinion or legal guidance is given on the matter. Every fiber of my being says a political speech such as this one is intended for the Public Domain and deserve to be hosted somewhere -- but at the same time I fully accept that hosting such works here on WS is just too problematic to be worthwhile or prudent while this "gray area" exists. — George Orwell III ( talk ) 03:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Closed Many of these speeches may be allowable under fair use or a CC licence that does not allow derivatives or non-commercial use, as it stands these are not restrictions that WS can uphold, especially as being a wiki they are not static by nature. Works deleted. 01:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

An Appeal To All Chinese Spiritual Brothers And Sisters
I wrote below : "I was told that there are no copyright concerning the speeches of the Dalai Lama (both on Tibet issue and 10th of March). I therefore wrote to the webmaster of the site www.dalailama.com to request the permission to copy on wikisources these speeches, and I was responded “We are happy to give you the permission to use His Holiness's speech on the wikisources”. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)". Could you please restore the text? Many thanks in advance. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 11:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Not until we're comfortable with the permission. "Permission to use His Holiness's speech on the wikisources" is wholly insufficient for us; we need a free license for everyone.--Prosfilaes (talk) 16:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, can you please indicate me where to find the form of the best free license (in the interest of the Dalai Lama website) so that I can forward the form and ask the webmaster to approve? Many thanks in advance. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you get copyright license or permission compatible with Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0 and the GFDL, this work will be undeleted. If you get ANY copyright license or permission, but not compatible with Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0 or the GFDL, such as with non-commercial, non-derivative restrictions, I will temporarily undelete this work and send it to Canadian where works with ANY copyright license or permission to post there is fine. Works acceptable here are not to be cross-posted there.--Jusjih (talk) 02:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Statement of the Dalai Lama on the 38th Anniversary of the Tibetan National Uprising Day

 * Well, as I explained, the permission was granted by the webmaster of the website of the Dalai Lama. I will request the webmaster to send an email to OTRS. I ll keep you informed in the discussion pages of these statements. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

A Liberal Democrat Foreign Policy
{{closed|1=Deleted, |text = Untagged work that is a poltical election speech. Would not seem to fall within our ability to redistribute. -- billinghurst (talk) 13:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC) http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/A_Liberal_Democrat_Foreign_Policy
 * Delete billinghurst (talk)
 * Question: Do UK politicians suffer the same exact restrictions as US politicians do re: copyright? George Orwell III (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ummm... what about the redirects?
 * George Orwell III (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Works along a similar line
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 * 1) Ken Clarke's Conference Leadership Speech 2005

The Times/1929/Letter to the Editor/Obituary: George William Thomson Omond
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WS:COPYVIO: Long-time unresolved copyright problems from Project Sourceberg days
I have compiled a list of five copyright-questionable works that were introduced to Project Sourceberg, but are still here with their problems unresolved. I am hoping by "repackaging" the problems as ordinary nominations we can get their status resolved. {{closed|1=deleted — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)|text=

Appeal of June 18
This radio speech by Charles de Gaulle marked the beginning of the French Resistance. Does this make it the work of the French Government in exile? Or does it belong to Charles de Gaulle himself who probably published it in his memoirs, Mémoires de guerre : Tome 1, L'appel : 1940-1942 (1954)? ResScholar (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's copyrighted either way. Carl Lindberg (talk) 12:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say copyright belongs to de Gaulle as he wasn't hea dof any legal government at that point. if so, it's clearly in copyright.--Longfellow (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * delete and the next what they said ^^^ — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Appeal of 22 June
I am linking this work to the one above; this appeal made by de Gaulle was made only four days after that one. They were both first added by Jusjih on the page /Special discussion for pages tagged as PD-manifesto. ResScholar (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC) }}