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Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger & File:Burgula to Dhar merger views1.jpg +++
{{closed|Kept, OTRS — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | text= The work Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger is stated as having been written in 1956, and while it is the letter of the head of government of an Indian state, it wouldn't seem to fit under government edict. Not sure whether it is has been published however that would still not allow us to reproduce the work. Time period alone, without considering subsequent date of death would seem to exclude the work from being hosted here. Also note that the subsequent images are also loaded at enWS &hellip; File:Burgula to Dhar merger views1.jpg +++ billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * According to section 24 of Indian copyright act ...


 * Term of copyright in posthumous work:- (1) In the case of literary, dramatic or musical work or an engraving, in which copyright subsists at the date of the death of the author or, in the case of any such work of joint authorship, at or immediately before the date of the death of the author who dies last, but which, or any adaptation of which, has not been published before that date, copyright shall subsist until fifty years from the beginning of the calendar year next following the year in which the work is first published or, where an adaptation of the work is published in any earlier year, from the beginning of the calendar year next following that year.


 * Author of this document died in 1967(per Burgula_Ramakrishna_Rao page or ). I got this "scanned document" thru email from family member of Mr Burguala. Please let me know what kind of authorization you need from him. Here is the email I got.(see below). Here is the  press conference email below talking about. Ramcrk (talk) 07:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

From: Vijay burgula Subject: Re: Telangana: Hyderabad CM views Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:19 AM Dear Ram,

Apologies for the delay in responding as my Wi-Fi modem has burnt out and BSNL takes its own time in replacing it. Please find some letters of BRK attached to this email. They are scanned documents that were publicized today morning in a press conference to counter the Lagadapati propaganda in the Samaikyandhra agitation. My father, B. Narsing Rao spoke while Jeevan Kumar of HRF made the introductions and veteran journalist D. Sitaram spoke about the context in which those letters were written. It was a tragi-comic press conference as many in the media did not even know that a separate state of Andhra was in existence from 1953 till 1956!!! They were even more confused as to why BRK wrote such a letter to the Congress President in 1955 especially when he signed the Gentlemen's Agreement. It was therefore a one hour class in Telangana history for the media. Doesn't the media have induction training for their reporters, and especially their political reporters??? Anyway the plan now is to collect all documents for the lost years of Telangana history, namely from 1948 to 1956 and publish them as and when they are collected. This will be a collective effort and will be published under the name of the Telangana Collective. Whoever contributes in whatever manner is a part of the Collective. The work will be done from the State Advisors' (Supreme Court Commissioner of Right to Food) Office in Barkatpura. So please feel free to join in the effort in whatever way possible. The more the merrier and more creative and stronger. If you are in Hyderabad, please call me at

Jai Telangana Vijay


 * We need to get some advice on whether there is sufficient permission to allow us to reproduce the work, and then how we need to receive and store that permission within the OTRS system. Not my area of expertise. billinghurst  sDrewth  06:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This doesn't appear to contain any permission for re-use, so it's definitely not sufficient (unless I'm missing something other than the copied letter above). It would need to be something similar to the boilerplates found on and linked to by the page w:Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials. Jude (talk) 09:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * According to section 24 of Indian copyright act ...


 * Term of copyright in posthumous work:- (1) In the case of literary, dramatic or musical work or an engraving, in which copyright subsists at the date of the death of the author or, in the case of any such work of joint authorship, at or immediately before the date of the death of the author who dies last, but which, or any adaptation of which, has not been published before that date, copyright shall subsist until fifty years from the beginning of the calendar year next following the year in which the work is first published or, where an adaptation of the work is published in any earlier year, from the beginning of the calendar year next following that year.


 * Author of this document died in 1967(per Burgula_Ramakrishna_Rao page or ). So, copyright on this document expired in 1967. Per above email from family member of Burgula, this document is not published before 1967. Hope this helps in avoiding furthur research on this topic. - Ramcrk (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The text says that it shall subsist at least fifty years from the day he died.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, copyright expires right after author dies. If the document is published before author dies, copyright expires 50years after it is first published. Please advice. Thanks. - Ramcrk (talk) 05:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You're misreading the structure of the sentence; it's "in the case of blah blah blah blah blah', copyright shall subsist until fifty years from the beginning of the calendar year next following the year in which the work is first published", etc. etc.--Prosfilaes (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am no lawyer but it says "copyright subsists at the date of the death of the author". It seems copyright expires at the death of author(please note that this document is never published in a book, implied in the email from family). Anyways I am trying to get permission from author's family and looking for appropriate form to get it signed by author's family. I looked at w:Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials but its kind of confusing. I don't want to get wrong form or wrong procedure and bother author's family unnecessarily. Can you point to specific form and let me know how and where to sent the form. Thanks. - Ramcrk (talk) 22:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hyderabad CM Burgula Views about merger
Added copyright holders permission to the at Please review and advice. Meanwhile I put the correct tag to Hyderabad_CM_Burgula_Views_about_merger page. Author of this document died in 1967(per Burgula_Ramakrishna_Rao or ) Ramcrk (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Added Indian copyright act info at Possible_copyright_violations. This info should resolve this issue without any furthur research or documentation. Thanks. - Ramcrk (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You were given advice at Possible copyright violations and for the work to be retained at Wikisource you will need to follow that advice. As the servers are based in the US, it is US copyright law that reigns, not Indian copyright law.  An Indian notice acts as advice to Indians on the status of the work locally to them.  While there is no compliance the case remains open, and at some point an administrator will close the case and presumably feel required to delete the work. billinghurst  sDrewth  21:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I will get the authorization from family members of the author(son or grandson). Please advice what kind of documentation you need. Please note that I am not sure whether Author's son can use email or not. I have email communication with grandson of the author(see above). If you need email in certain format or you need scanned document of authoriation letter(from son) in certain format please let me know. I am confused about the kind of documentaion wiki needs.  Thanks for your help. - Ramcrk (talk) 05:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Copyright owner sent the WP:CONSENT form to permissions-en@wikimedia.org Ramcrk (talk) 11:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * OTRS received and added. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Files tagged with OTRS and moved to Commons with PD-heirs — billinghurst  sDrewth  16:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

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