User talk:Zhaladshar/archive 6

Author:Robert Service
I'm thinking about revamping the works by Author:Robert Service. I think some mistakes were made by me and others the first time around. The way I want to do it is:
 * 1) Create a new author page called Author:Robert W. Service. This is, I believe, the name by which he is best know.
 * 2) Migrate the pages off the old authors page.
 * 3) When I'm doing this I want to create new pages for the poems that I originally named using a style like Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Cheer. This new page would be named Cheer (currently a redirect).
 * 4) During his process I will change all the Template:chap_simple headers to Template:header headers.
 * 5) I'll check to see if there are any links to the exiting pages and and if there are I'll modify those pages so that they are redirects.
 * 6) Then I'll give you a list of the links to all pages that become redundant so they can be deleted.

Would this be OK? --Droll 04:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, its done! Wow, there is a bunch of junk to remove. I checked for talk pages and they are listed below.  I also check for links to these pages and (other than links from user talk pages and links between these pages) there are no relevant links. Some of these pages were redirects which are no longer needed.  I blanked them to make link checking easier. I'll continue to clean up this collection when I have time. --Droll 02:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Author:Robert Service (The new page is named "Robert W. Service" Still useful as a redirect
 * 2) author:robert w. service (notice problem with lower case)
 * 3) Talk:The Spell of the Yukon: The Cremation of Sam McGee
 * 4) Talk:The Spell of the Yukon: The Shooting of Dan McGrew
 * 5) Talk:The Spell of the Yukon: The Shooting of Dan McGrew
 * 6) Talk:The Spell of the Yukon: The Cremation of Sam McGee
 * 7) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone/Prelude
 * 8) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone/A Rolling Stone
 * 9) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone/The Soldier of Fortune
 * 10) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone/The Gramaphone At Fond-Du-Lac
 * 11) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Gramaphone At Fond-Du-Lac
 * 12) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Land of Beyond
 * 13) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Sunshine
 * 14) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Idealist
 * 15) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Athabaska Dick
 * 16) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Cheer
 * 17) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Return
 * 18) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Junior God
 * 19) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Nostomaniac
 * 20) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Ambition
 * 21) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: To Sunnydale
 * 22) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Blind and the Dead
 * 23) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Atavist
 * 24) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Sceptic
 * 25) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Rover
 * 26) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Barb-Wire Bill
 * 27) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: "?"
 * 28) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Just Think!
 * 29) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Lunger
 * 30) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Mountain and the Lake
 * 31) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Headliner and the Breadliner
 * 32) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Death in the Arctic
 * 33) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Dreams Are Best
 * 34) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Quitter
 * 35) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Cow-Juice Cure
 * 36) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: While the Bannock Bakes
 * 37) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Lost Master
 * 38) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Little Moccasins
 * 39) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Wanderlust
 * 40) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Trapper's Christmas Eve
 * 41) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The World's All Right
 * 42) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Baldness of Chewed-Ear
 * 43) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Mother
 * 44) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Dreamer
 * 45) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: At Thirty-Five
 * 46) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Squaw Man
 * 47) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Home and Love
 * 48) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: I'm Scared of It All
 * 49) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: A Song of Success
 * 50) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Song of the Camp-Fire
 * 51) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Her Letter
 * 52) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Man Who Knew
 * 53) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Logger
 * 54) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Passing of the Year
 * 55) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Ghosts
 * 56) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Good-Bye, Little Cabin
 * 57) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: Heart O' the North
 * 58) Rhymes of a Rolling Stone: The Scribe's Prayer
 * 59) The Spell of the Yukon: The Land God Forgot
 * 60) The Spell of the Yukon: The Spell of the Yukon
 * 61) The Spell of the Yukon: The Heart of the Sourdough
 * 62) The Spell of the Yukon: The Three Voices
 * 63) The Spell of the Yukon: The Law of the Yukon
 * 64) The Spell of the Yukon: The Parson's Son
 * 65) The Spell of the Yukon: The Call of the Wild
 * 66) The Spell of the Yukon: The Lone Trail
 * 67) The Spell of the Yukon: The Pines
 * 68) The Spell of the Yukon: The Lure of Little Voices
 * 69) The Spell of the Yukon: The Song of the Wage-Slave
 * 70) The Spell of the Yukon: Grin
 * 71) The Spell of the Yukon: The Shooting of Dan McGrew
 * 72) The Spell of the Yukon: The Cremation of Sam McGee
 * 73) The Spell of the Yukon: My Madonna
 * 74) The Spell of the Yukon: Unforgotten
 * 75) The Spell of the Yukon: The Reckoning
 * 76) The Spell of the Yukon: Quatrains
 * 77) The Spell of the Yukon: The Men That Don't Fit In
 * 78) The Spell of the Yukon: Music in the Bush
 * 79) The Spell of the Yukon: The Rhyme of the Remittance Man
 * 80) The Spell of the Yukon: The Low-Down White
 * 81) The Spell of the Yukon: The Little Old Log Cabin
 * 82) The Spell of the Yukon: The Younger Son
 * 83) The Spell of the Yukon: The March of the Dead
 * 84) The Spell of the Yukon: A Life Tragedy
 * 85) The Spell of the Yukon: The Woman and the Angel
 * 86) The Spell of the Yukon: The Rhyme of the Restless Ones
 * 87) The Spell of the Yukon: New Year's Eve
 * 88) The Spell of the Yukon: Comfort
 * 89) The Spell of the Yukon: The Harpy
 * 90) The Spell of the Yukon: Premonition
 * 91) The Spell of the Yukon: The Tramps
 * 92) The Spell of the Yukon: L'Envoi
 * 93) Spell of the Yukon
 * 94) Spell of the Yukon: The Land God Forgot
 * 95) Spell of the Yukon: The Spell of the Yukon
 * 96) Spell of the Yukon: The Heart of the Sourdough
 * 97) Spell of the Yukon: The Three Voices
 * 98) Spell of the Yukon: The Law of the Yukon
 * 99) Spell of the Yukon: The Parson's Son
 * 100) Spell of the Yukon: The Call of the Wild
 * 101) Spell of the Yukon: The Lone Trail
 * 102) Spell of the Yukon: The Pines
 * 103) Spell of the Yukon: The Lure of Little Voices
 * 104) Spell of the Yukon: The Song of the Wage-Slave
 * 105) Spell of the Yukon: Grin
 * 106) Spell of the Yukon: The Shooting of Dan McGrew
 * 107) Spell of the Yukon: The Cremation of Sam McGee
 * 108) Spell of the Yukon: My Madonna
 * 109) Spell of the Yukon: Unforgotten
 * 110) Spell of the Yukon: The Reckoning
 * 111) Spell of the Yukon: Quatrains
 * 112) Spell of the Yukon: The Men That Don't Fit In
 * 113) Spell of the Yukon: Music in the Bush
 * 114) Spell of the Yukon: The Rhyme of the Remittance Man
 * 115) Spell of the Yukon: The Low-Down White
 * 116) Spell of the Yukon: The Little Old Log Cabin
 * 117) Spell of the Yukon: The Younger Son
 * 118) Spell of the Yukon: The March of the Dead
 * 119) Spell of the Yukon: A Life Tragedy
 * 120) Spell of the Yukon: The Woman and the Angel
 * 121) Spell of the Yukon: The Rhyme of the Restless Ones
 * 122) Spell of the Yukon: New Year's Eve
 * 123) Spell of the Yukon: Comfort
 * 124) Spell of the Yukon: The Harpy
 * 125) Spell of the Yukon: Premonition
 * 126) Spell of the Yukon: The Tramps
 * 127) Spell of the Yukon: L'Envoi
 * 128) Ballads of a Cheechako: To the Man of the High North
 * 129) Ballads of a Cheechako: Men of the High North
 * 130) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of the Northern Lights
 * 131) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of the Black Fox Skin
 * 132) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of Pious Pete
 * 133) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of Blasphemous Bill
 * 134) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of One-Eyed Mike
 * 135) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of the Brand
 * 136) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of Hard-Luck Henry
 * 137) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Man from Eldorado
 * 138) Ballads of a Cheechako: My Friends
 * 139) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Prospector
 * 140) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Black Sheep
 * 141) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Telegraph Operator
 * 142) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Wood-Cutter
 * 143) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Song of the Mouth-Organ
 * 144) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Trail of Ninety-Eight
 * 145) Ballads of a Cheechako: The Ballad of Gum-Boot Ben
 * 146) Ballads of a Cheechako: Clancy of the Mounted Police
 * 147) Ballads of a Cheechako: Lost
 * 148) Ballads of a Cheechako: L'Envoi
 * 149) Ballads of a Cheechakol:Men of the High North
 * 150) Ballads of a Cheechakol: Men of the High North
 * 151) Ballads of a Cheechakol:To the Man of the High North

Donne's Elegies
I was basing them off of particular anthologies that availble online(scanned). I was anticipating have the entire anthologies up. I realize the issue here and am conflicted. Take a look at books I am thinking of. 1633 and 1896. The 1633 has a lot of stuff beside the poems that would be great to have. The 1896 is very much edited and the editor preface and such would be good to attach. What do you suggest?--BirgitteSB 03:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I understand what you are saying. Leave the current titles as redirects to the stand-alone, and fill the misc pages in the proper spots.  We don't really need a disambig page because the 1633 version spells it diferently.  I would suggest calling the original simply Elegie I and the other Elegy I(1896).  We can use the notes to point the other (i.e. a version with modernized spelling is availbe at Elegy I(1896)).  What do you think?  I can work on it tommorrow, I have some orf it on my notepad for straightening up the author page.  Danny and I were also talking about trying to get the side-by-side texts set-up for this. --BirgitteSB 05:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The side by side version is the goal. ThomasV says it needs to have patch written, but he does not have the time.  Hopefully we can interest someone who knows php in this.  Let know if you have any suggestions about what I have done so far let me know.  It seems every time I look at it I change my mind to set it up differently--BirgitteSB 19:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Whittier's Yankee Girl
It appears that Yankee Girl and The Yankee Girl are the same poem. Do you know which is the actual title given by Whittier? A redirect from the other would be cool. Thanks! --Kickstart70 20:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Whittier formatting
About what I added for Whittier...the only things I added were the 'empty' red links, so hopefully there shouldn't be any other dupes :) I've got a book (printed in 1903) with a number of his works...if you find names of poems you don't have elsewhere please let me know and I'll check to see if I have them and will transcribe them in.

Regarding the alphabetizing...It's not 100% yet, as my method didn't handle the links starting with 'The' properly. I'd like to do the same sort of format of the link as I did for 'Angels of Buena Vista, The' to make this easier to find items. Suggestions on simplifying this process would be welcome. Also, as far as style guidelines, should the same happen for "Poem Name, A/An", etc.?

As well, I created Template:CompactTOC from the example on Wikipedia. It's not as clean and obvious looking as I'd like, but it's functional. Feel free to junk it if you've got a better alternative. Thanks, --Kickstart70 00:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Walter Scott
I've also got a book with Rob Roy, Lochinvar (from Marmion), and 13 various poems. As a multi-genre author, we probably need to split his works between prose and poetry (and then into alphabetized?). I'm willing to transcribe these poems if we can separate the links of what's currently there somehow. --Kickstart70

Thanks
Thanks for "showing" me how to use the header template. Is there a repository of useful templates for Wikisource that I can bookmark? &asymp; jossi &asymp; t &bull; @ 22:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Small Caps
Hi, just wanted to let you know that Pathoschild made a little template that converts to small caps: Text. I added it to EB1911:Abaca as an example. It could be useful for EB1911, as well as for the New Student Reference Work project. Danny 00:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:TheBilly
You might want to look at this (or not). --Inge 06:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

That mess of pages
Thanks for deleting all those redundant files. I'll try not to do that again. --Droll 07:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Chap
Please let me fix pages which use this template. It will take a few days. Since I am active here I wish you had let me know about changes to pages I created. I know you have no obligation to do this but it would seem to be a courteous thing. --Droll 21:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand your point of view. Thanks for response. --Droll 21:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to edit Little Women' because the bot did not change the chap template at the bottom of the pages. Also I notice that you added a section= to each page. Since each page already has an &lt;h4> header with that information, it seems that section= info is redundant. I used the &lt;h4> header because that it is the way it appears in a published work. The information belongs to the text. It's not an annotation. Let me know how you feel. --Droll 21:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Little Women
The reason I use &amp;larr; and &amp;rarr; is because I cannot cut and paste the arrows into my text editor. I cannot use python to format files that contain them. If this is the standard I think it should be changed and would like to have and open discussion about it before you edit the files I have reformatted. I would also request an open discussion on the Scriptorium page about the other issues. I will not open the discussion till I hear from you. If you decide to act unilaterally I will no longer be interested in contributing to this project. Concerning the "section" parameter, I understood your message to mean that it was Okay to remove the data from this parameter. You said Okay. I added the "section=" parameter just because it's standard to add what chapter the template's included on, even though it does appear in the work. It just makes the information contained in the template a bit more complete. I understand the value of standards as I have said before. Good standards are published. I have not seen anywhere on this site where the standards you propose are clearly stated. I'm willing to go through a growth period where standards are worked out and I'm willing participate in the process of formulating those standards. I hurts when there is no attempt to educate and hours of work are reverted. I've been contributing here for a long time now. If I still can not do it right then how do newbies feel.

All that said, I know that you must spend a lot of time volunteering on Wikisource and I do not in any way mean by what I have said to diminish your contribution.

Please do not take this as an attack or a threat. It is not meany that way. It is just a statement about the way I feel and possible choices that I will be forced to make --Droll 04:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your thoughtful response. As for the issue concerning the section parameter, if that information is added back it will appear three times on the page. It will appear in the page name, in the text itself and in the header.  I think that is unacceptable.  I also think that the  section parameter creates a typographically unattractive page.  That's just my opinion.


 * Concerning the use of HTML elements for arrows, that should not be an issue at all as the appearance on the page is the same. It seems to me that the use of HTML elements verses wiki markup an ongoing issue on wiki projects. At least that is my impression. I asked Pathoschild why the arrows could not be included in implementation of the template and he responded that it would "require more complex coding, either resource-wasteful conditional programming or the backwards-incompatible hiddenStructure CSS hack." If that is true then why is HideIfEmpty used in the author template. None of his reasons seem acceptable to me. This seems like a case there a standard has been accepted without enough input. If a programmer I supervised said that to me I would respond that complexity at that level is not a problem. Resources are cheep but good products sells. Backward compatibility is not a problem maybe he meant forward compatibility. If forward compatibility is an issue then it might be too late because we already use the author template.


 * And last, if there is a standard that requires the use of all parameters in the header template that is fine. I think they should be ordered though. For example title, section, author, previous, next and then notes. This is would avoid user errors and be more intuitive.


 * You are correct in that I have had proprietary feelings about my contributions. Maybe I need to back off on this but I have also felt that my contributions have been singled out. There are thousands of articles on the site that have no headers at all.  There are many that need cleanup and reformatting. I am not saying that you have targeted my contributions but I do feel targeted.


 * I have decided to take some time off and think things through so I will not be contributing here for a while. My recommendations are that standards need to be discussed and published.

Changes needed to your javascript file
Hello Zhaladshar. You previously requested that the script InstaView be automatically updated. Please note that the automated update method used by Wikisource's script repository has been extensively revised for simplicity and flexibility. In order to be compatible with the new method, several changes need to be made to your Javascript file. If you consent, I'll willingly make those changes myself.

If you'd prefer to do it yourself, you can read the updated instructions at Wikisource's script repository and update your Javascript file appropriately. Specifically, plaintext formatted needs to be implemented using wikisyntax instead of &lt;pre&gt; HTML tags, the update subscription category tag added, and the script needs to be updated to reflect the new format. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 16:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

EB1911 categorisation
Hi, Please look at pp 879-947 of vol 29 in Tim Starling's version. This is EB1911's categorical index. If we placed this on the WS version and hyperlinked the entries we have a ready-made categorical index, designed by the compilers of the encyclopaedia which will be different to the WS categorisation scheme. As an example under engineering you get articles grouped under General, Building, Locomotion, Shipping, Mining & Metallurgy and Biographies. Therefore it gives a good overview of all the major articles on the topic, since each entry can be hyperlinked to the articles concerned.

I put the introductory section on WS a few months back and am aiming to add the classified table of contents in a week or two when I have finished typing it. The detailed classifed tables will take much more work, of course. I suggest this is something we ought to be getting on with now while we are in the early stages of the project.

My question is, since we have this resource written for the EB1911 on publication, to we really need the WS EB1911 categorisation scheme?

A second point, is that I can see no way of WS being able to handle the main index in vol 29, since this is keyed to page numbers in the printed text. Instead I urge we investigate the practicality of having a search engine specifically for the EB1911 project. This will stop references in other WS pages being flagged up by mistake. I've no idea how practical this will be, but I urge we give it serious thought. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 07:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am glad you agree. Do you want to raise this on Scriptorium, or shall I?/. Apwoolrich 18:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Les Mis
I saw that you helped to revise some of the work that I did on the Les Miserables page. Thanks for that. Since you seem to know a lot more about wikisource than I do, I am going to ask you what to do next. Should I cut and paste from Project Gutenberg? TsunamiEssence 21:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I just finished transferring everything from PG to Wikisource. What is there for me to do now?TsunamiEssence 20:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

My account: deleted?
I just tried to log in and find that there is no user by the name User:Pedant I've not logged in in a while, was working on other projects and reading Das Kapital, I was uploading and proofing Das Kapital and decided I needed to read it in print form before I could accurately proof it, as I had found OCR errors in the text I was working on. Anyway, could you let me know how to restore my account from wherever it went? You could reach me at my user page on en:wikipedia or email me: drglennATdr.com Thanks for any help you can give me. 68.183.79.162 05:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC) (User:Pedant)
 * Since I don't know where else to reach you, I'll leave my replies here. First off, have you gotten an account on the English subdomain?  I looked at your contributions, and they stop after June, which was before Wikisource split, so it's possible you've never registered here (and I hope that's the case, because then something really weird is going on).  If you have not registered an account here (regardless of whether you had one on the multilingual Wikisource), you must do so.  During the move, no accounts were moved to the subdomains, meaning every user must register an account here as well.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

e (mathematical constant)
Alright, thanks for the message. You can speedy the article I created in that case. I'd be interested in hearing why Wikisource doesn't accept mathematical data anymore, though. Cheers, R. Koot 21:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Page Titling
Thanks for pointing that out. I had seen it used on the Les Miserables text, but I didn't know what it meant.--Politicaljunkie 20:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

EB1911 volume contents
Hi, I've just seen your message. I have to make a list of the parts each volume covers and will then post it. One thing you might do, is to check very carefully in the volumes we have already listed against Tim's copy to see if any articles are missing. I have just had a look at what has recently been posted for vol 27 against my paper copy and see a lot of entries are not there. I know there are problems with some of the online scans through grotty OCRing, and that might be the answer if online scans are the origin of the list. I will contact the WS editor who posted it. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 18:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC) (PS I answer to the name of Tony Woolrich!)

Help! Help! I have just posted the volume contents and copied to the appropriate pages the lists we already have for vols 1 and 27. These will need wiki-tweaking to get them to blue link, but I don't know how to do it. Rather than mess with it and probably seriously wreck something I shall welcome guidance on the proper procedure. Each volume will need the article listing template added, of course. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 19:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Very many thanks for sorting this. I really must learn how to do this. I propose adding a temporary header to each volume page where orphan articles can be posted before they are placed in the volume lists proper. Also, please have a look at the EB1911 Ballistics article. An editor has been doing marvellous work on the formulae with TeX, and also sorting out the complicated tables. IMHO the Tex is too big and the wrong typeface. Is there any way of adapting this to match the style for the rest of the text on Mediawiki, please. I raised this on Scriptorium a few months back, as I noted there is a smaller version available on another part of the Wik-empire. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 05:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Purging the database
Could you purge the database again. With all of the changes with me and others spliting texts and going through the orphaned pages, both Special:Longpages and Special:Lonelypages are pretty out of date. Thanks. - illy 21:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. - illy 00:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, all the pages are still showing up as being cached on the 29th of last month. Would you take another look at this?  Thanks. - illy 14:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll check things out with the developers if nothing happens. - illy 18:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The Adventures of Pinocchio
Thanks for fixing it up for me :)--Shanel 00:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)