User talk:Zhaladshar/archive 2

Chapters and Such
Ok, I understand what you ment now. Yes, I'll correct the chapter links as soon as I get the chance.

Question though, what is wikisource policy on long works. That is, for a long work must I split it (by chapter for example), or should I leave it as one large page? The latter would be bad for dial-up users. I'm just not sure where the line is on splitting texts, and I don't want to maintain two copies; one split, and the other not. For example, see Utopia and The Island of Dr. Moreau.

Thanks for any advice you have. &mdash;Wikijeff

Edit of "The Sign of the Four"
I fixed all the hyphenation problems in The Sign of the Four. The image links you added to this text on 15:14, 2 March 2005 are broken for some reason. It was that way before my edit. I know where to find GIF images with simular file names. I am sure they are the same images. I can fix the links with the GIF images or I can convert them to PNG images. Let me know. --Droll 07:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Citation of Gutenberg eTexts
I have imported some texts from Project Guttenberg. I have included the following templates in the ToC page:

Do any "best practices" exsist, insofar as citing the exact Project Gutenberg eText number, etc? I try to note this in the upload comment field when I first text-dump a work. But, is their a better, more conspicuous way to do this?

Thanks, &mdash;Wikijeff

Formating problem
I noticed while reading The Pickwick Papers that when &mdash is followed my a cr/lf sequence (ascii 0x0D0A) the effect produced on the html page in unexpected. It looks like this "&mdash; " with an unintended space (0x020) character. Using the "— " (0x97) available at the bottom of the edit screen has this same side effect. Viewing this message in an edit window might make my point easier to understand. Is this a wikisource problem or a bug for Wikimedia.
 * I'm not quite too sure what you mean. I've looked at everything, and I can't find anything wrong.  Could you give a more specific example (like copy and paste a problem here on my talk page)?

The mystery of Dewinter's "unalloyed Fascism"
There is no copyright violation because the copyright was granted by the Belgian De Standaard newspaper, for details about the correspondence see: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:The_mystery_of_Dewinter%27s_%22unalloyed_Fascism%22 Therefore, can the tag about a possible copyright violation please be removed? Thank you. Jvb November 11, 2005

Thank You
Thanks Zhaladshar for the "face-lift" you did on the Count of Monte Cristo ToC. I see what you where getting at now. &mdash;Wikijeff

More on a formating problem
If you examine the following phrase:

"jealous of the praise which had been—perhaps undeservedly— bestowed on his (Mr. Pickwick’s) researches"

You can notice a space before the word 'bestowed' but not before the word 'perhaps'. Then, if you examine the article (or this message) in an edit window you will notice that there is no space before the word 'bestowed'. There is, however, a single line break. The phrase is from The Pickwick Papers: Chapter 1. My background is in Computer Science and it is my opinion that the unintended space is an artifact of the software that creates the HTML page. If I am correct then this problem will exist everywhere on Wikisource and not just in this one article.

I notice that when the software which creates HTML code parses text it stripes single line breaks and interprets two or more line breaks as a paragraph break. Some articles I have examined on the site do not have single line breaks but do contain pairs of line breaks. This is an artifact of the source (provenance) of the article and the way the source has been formatted. In the case of the articles sourced from Project Gutenberg the text is formatted with single breaks (line breaks) as well as pairs of breaks (paragraph breaks). This is the kind of text that the software does not parse correctly.

I know this might seem to be nit picking but it's my nature. I doubt this is a problem within the scope of the Wikisource community. My question is where is the proper place to report this problem. I have a hunch that a Wikimedia bug report is in order but I'm not sure. Thanks for you assistance. --Droll 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll report the bug. --Droll 10:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * There is another formating problem I have noticed. In a number of places I have seen book titles rendered between inverted commas "---", and left that way instead of being changed by the Wikisource editors into the wiki mark upfor italics --- . [This does not come out right in the browser, so read this in the edit page to see what I mean] I think this must be a carry-over from the way Project Gutenberg codes texts. I suggest we give some thought to how pages should be edited to replicate as far as possible the typographic conventions of the original print. I suppose a bot might be able to do it, bit there are cases where the text is actually meant to be between inverted commas, so perhaps thats not such a good idea. PS Thanks for the Adminship Apwoolrich 09:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

A 'Request for assistance' page
I have seen pages where the editor has left a remark such as [Greek text], but nothing else. This occurs where a phrase in the original is in a foreign script, and it has not come over on the OCRing. I suggest we have a 'Request for assistance' link on the main page where editors can ask that somebody who has access to an orginal printed copy can add the missing text. Any thoughts? Apwoolrich 09:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The Pickwick Papers
I've been working on the Charles Dickens Collection. Tonight I started to clean up the chapters of the The The Pickwick Papers. I thought that the "<The Pickwick Papers" at the top of each chapter was a bit redundant since the link also exists in the Chapter Box along with a link to the author and so I was going through deleting the "<The Pickwick Papers" links. Then I noticed that you were the one who added those links in the first place. I thought it would be best to ask.

I also added a "_NOEDITSECTION_" in order to avoid the [edit] box which it seems to me is unnecessary and visually unattractive. I changed Chapters 1 to 36 so far. I will not continue till I hear from you. I am more than willing to reinsert the "<The Pickwick Papers" links if you think that is best. Compare the appearance of Chapter 36 with Chapter 37 is see the differences. --Droll 06:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

'Add a document' checklist
Following your last post to me, I have in mind do write a checklist on how to add a document. All we seem to have is what to do with an existing document. I propose it works through the sequence of tasks along the lines of:

1) If the document is not in English, place it on the right WS page, not this one. 2) Check copyright status and if its not OK don't do it. 3) Acquire text (OCR. type it yourself, etc). 3) Add text quality box to discussion and fill in the details. 4) Use templates for things like author. 5) Add category details. 6) Edit text and wikify as necessary.

Each stage will have links to the appropriate help pages.

PS, have you yet seen Tom Starlings TIFFS of EB1911? Kind regards Apwoolrich 08:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Patrolled edits
Do you have access to the php settings for this wiki? LocalSettings.php specifically. I'd like to experiment with turning on the "patrolled edits" feature, which can be turned on in that configuration file. Thanks. Wolfman 15:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I hunted around; I don't think we have any direct access, at least it's not documented. I suppose this would take a developer request (bugzilla?). It's perhaps worth pursueing if we start getting a few more anon-ip edits.  Right now, my take is 10-20% of new anon editors vandalize.  So, if the load goes up a bit, it would be useful to avoid redundant vandalism checks.  The way it works is that unpatrolled edits get a flag in RC; anyone who checks the diff can then unflag it. Wolfman 16:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

backlinks
I routinely see people removing backlinks -- sometimes just the "&lt;" and sometimes entirely. See, for example these diffs from today,. I think the problem is that the "&lt;" looks like a typo. Thinking that, I once removed it when I first started. I wonder if using a different sign such as below would help? I bring it to your attention, because I've seen you add such links.

&#8624; upLink here Wolfman 20:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

deletebot
hi. please let me know if I can delete English pages from the main wikisource. ThomasV 17:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Shakespeare Vandal
So you know who runs Uncle G's bot? Some of his recent edits have redirect the Shakespeare author page embedded in them. Help:Page name (at the top in the right hand box and all the way down under Wikisource specific content) and others. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this very well but this is in several of help pages.--BirgitteSB 06:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it was User:Shakespeare who did that. See Template:Ed. Uncle G 06:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Also I reverted Talk:Main Page to before the shakespeare vandal, but there are a bunch of deletion request boxes at the bottom of the page. They aren;t related to Shakespeare (I don't think) Do youknow anyting about why they are there?--BirgitteSB 07:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll fix the rest of Shakespeare's vandalism (unless another admin gets around to it first) in a couple days. 14:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Help vandal?
What gives with Uncle G's Bot on our help pages — special characters etc. IMHO we ought to be more rigorous on locking pages. Apwoolrich 08:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

About Kim
Thanks for the information. I guess I've guffed up a couple of other places too. I go fix them. I saw the syntax I used for one of the Dickens works and thought that it was correct. Something that reinforced the way I was doing things was a link on Tennyson's page to Spring which gets a list of works with that name. The link should be to Spring %28Tennyson%29. I'll fix that one. I've uploaded a number of things recently. I'll send you a list if you would like it.

I also have put in a couple of redirects. One is for author:Robert W. Service which redirects to author:Robert Service. Wikipedia references the author by Robert W. Service. Another is for authror:Sir Walter Scott which redirects to author:Walter Scott. I guess there should be one for Alfred Lord Tennyson also. I noticed that Wikipedia has the last two redirects. --Droll 22:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Chapter Templates
Check out The Lay of the Last Minstrel: Canto 2. I make up my own table in stead of using the standard chapter template because the standard one messes up the formatting of the poem by causing lines to wrap. Also at the bottom I used another simple table to provide links to the previous and next chapters.

While I have your ear. I sourced the The Lay of the Last Minstrel for The Poet's Corner. They give explicit permission to use their material on their FAQ page. All they ask is that "If you are duplicating or researching something, please do us the courtesy of listing the Poets' Corner URL as a reference." I did so in the title page table under 'provenance'. I have changed formatting substancially.

I like the idea of using the &#8624; character Wolfman mentioned. I'm thinking of using them in the poetry header and footer I mentioned above. Let me know what you think. --Droll 23:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

What I've been up to
Author:Charles Dickens

Edited and reformatted:
 * The Pickwick Papers (novel)
 * A Christmas Carol (Christmas short story)
 * The Chimes (Christmas short story)
 * The Cricket on the Hearth (Christmas short story)

Added:
 * Martin Chuzzlewit (novel)
 * Little Dorrit (novel)
 * The Battle of Life (Christmas short story)
 * Tom Tiddler's Ground (short story)

Author: Robert Service

Created a TOC page and moved titles from the authors page:
 * Rhymes of a Red-Cross Man (poetry collection)
 * The Spell of the Yukon & Other Verses (poetry collection)

Added:
 * Ballads of a Cheechako (poetry collection)
 * Rhymes of a Rolling Stone (poetry collection)

Author:Rudyard Kipling

Adding:
 * Kim (novel)

Author:Walter Scott

Added:
 * The Lay of the Last Minstrel (poetry)

Author:Thomas Hood

Added:
 * Faithless Sally Brown (poem)
 * No! (poem)
 * Remember (poem)
 * Ruth (poem)
 * Silence (poem)
 * The Bridge of Sighs (poem)
 * The Dream of Eugene Aram (poem)
 * The Song of the Shirt (poem)
 * The Sun Was Slumbering in the West (poem)

I've done other edits on authors pages and other places to clean them up and standardize them as best it could.

By the way there is a HTML of A Christmas Carol at Project Gutenbug that is wonderfully illustrated. It's zipped. Would it be OK to upload their images and link them into the copy here? --Droll 20:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Illustrations for A Christmas Carol
I added the illustrations for A Christmas Carol. If you think they are too large I can change them. --Droll 20:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Chapter Headers
Take a look at the header and footer for The Yosemite/Chapter 2 by John Muir. Let me know if you think they are OK. --Droll 02:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)