User talk:Victuallers



Hello, Victuallers, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. If you need help, see our help pages (especially Adding texts and Wikisource's style guide). You can discuss or ask questions from the community in general at the Scriptorium. The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. FloNight 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome (belatedly) Victuallers 12:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent vision ...
We could use you back at WikiProject DNB to do some of our proofreading as your skills would not go unappreciated! -- billinghurst (talk) 11:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * start William Huntington in vol. 28 -- billinghurst (talk) 15:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

DNB feedback
Gday. Just cruising through some pages: -- billinghurst (talk) 14:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice!
 * rh goes into header, toggle the [+] button on top left (as per H:SIDE)
 * there are a few ProofreadPage defaults in (My Preferences) -> (Gadgets)
 * I close the lines up, sometimes line returns can transclude through and upset flow, and helps to find line-ending hyphens
 * Hyphenation, I remove hyphens from line ends, except at page ends, where I use hws and thus hwe correspondingly on the start of the next
 * in OCR, watch for  which may be the combination   as they often are mismatched.
 * when you have three ]]] and one is typographical, you can stick it inside tags.
 * Thought that I had addressed your latter question. No, one does not need to have a page Validated before it is transcluded to the main namespace.  There is no need to have it to any formal proof stage. I am working on doing more to demonstrate the proofread stage of a transcript. -- billinghurst (talk) 14:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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 * Use of
 * The attribute to use is begin rather than start, and it seems to need a space after the id, so something like


 * Template:DNBset
 * I have built a template that should help typeset pages easily. Have a play and see if you can break it, or use it.  Thanks. -- billinghurst (talk) 14:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 You are a natural. -- billinghurst (talk) 10:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

To note that I have modified DNB00 to put a contributor field in place, rather than putting it into Notes. Should be more intuitive. -- billinghurst (talk) 11:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Francis Hutchinson
Hey, I deleted Francis Hutchinson (DNB00) and changed any links to point to Hutchinson, Francis (DNB00). Hopefully that is what you wanted to happen? The easiest way to get a page deleted is probably to add Template:Sdelete to the page which puts the page in Category:Speedy deletion requests which admins tend to check regularly, or just ask an admin directly! All the best. Suicidalhamster (talk) 19:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

An obituary for you ...
Transcribed this The Times/1917/Obituary/Ewart Alan Mackintosh in case you would like it for WP. billinghurst (talk) 13:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

A template issue
The template at Hüttner, Johann Christian (DNB00) actually needed to be DNB FW-t (fixed now). I have now written up the story about this type of template (the t is a final lettr of a surname), at WikiProject DNB/Style Manual, under hyphenation convention. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Care to sign up at WikiProject DNB? Charles Matthews (talk) 11:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

A tour through the northern counties of England, and the borders of Scotland
You were validating some pages, so you might be interested in the first pull together of A tour through the northern counties of England, and the borders of Scotland billinghurst (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

How I handled Page:Romain Rolland Handel.djvu/140
With Page:Romain Rolland Handel.djvu/140, I have changed the magic to use and which allows us have the pages look like the originals. Admittedly it is fiddly and I still need to have lots of playing to get it right. Today, I had a d'oh, and hadn't thought that I could to even. billinghurst (talk) 21:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Iago Ab Dewi (DNB00)
I moved the tagged document to Iago, Ab Dewi (DNB00). You should have the ability to move documents on the tab at the top, rather than delete them. billinghurst  sDrewth  15:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not meant to be a comma either billinghurst  sDrewth 

Volume 28.
Thanks for your help...this volume dovetails with other research which helps to reinforce. We are making a dent! Intend to verify links through all pages in the volume which will add an extra set of eyes running through the articles for the time being. I'll swing back through when complete as I am calibrating to a new "normal" if you know what I mean. Thanks for giving me this heading :^).JamAKiska (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

L’ingénieur Jousselin
Thank you for the information. --Zyephyrus (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Hunter, John (1745-1837) (DNB00) ii factoids for dyk at end of article.
Good Day...Saw this a day ago, thought it might help..."Hunter Kidney" and grammar background for article in EB. JamAKiska (talk) 22:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hold my hand with DYK
While I do bits and pieces over at WP, I hardly pay attention to the front page and DYK. Can you give me the $2 version of what we should be doing to get the flow through to WS articles, and maybe I can organise my thinking on this. Similarly, we may be able to be coordinated in our approach to flow the information through, and have a small team think about this systematically. What is it that makes a good snippet for a DYK? — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As an example, my current toy Cartoon portraits and biographical sketches of men of the day has lots of snippetable bits, especially some very nice caricatures. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Insert: My Heavens!!! This work is beautiful! The ideas here are grand -- what happened -- why did these things not come into existence for "DYK"? It would be really awesome for bringing people to Wikisource! &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 10:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * OK I'm fine with that. (You help others and me enough!) I think I have established twice that we can link from a DYK to a wikisource article, so there should be no precedent issues. In theory we could link from a hook to any place in wikisource but it seems reasonable that we should link to Verified or close to verified text and that the text should (in the spirit of DYK) be new Wikisource articles. (Wikipedia articles have to be less than 5 days old or to have undergone a 5x expansion in that time). Obviously wikisource operates on a slower drumbeat but its seems reasonable that we advertise our new work. There are oodles of DYK rules but we must have a new wikipedia article to qualify for DYK. So if we were going to do The_Harvard_Classics_Vol._51 then we would need a NEW wikiarticle to launch it with. The prime author (Charles Eliot) already has a B sized article but W.A.Neilson doesnt. So about ten days before you finish the wikisource article you need to create the wikipia article. You can do this in a sandbox and publish to main space when its 95% ready. If one writes an article then a hook is usually discovered. Did you know ... that William Allen Neilson who wrote/edditted? some of The Harvard Classics had a wooden leg? ... I made that up!!

The hook
The hook at max needs to be 200 chars and in our case must reference the wikipedia article and the wikisource article. The wikipedia article must have a reliable inline source in every paragraph and straioght after the factoid in the hook and the text must be original. (e.g. DNB articles must be re-invented and researched, not just paraphrased).

How to start
If you/anyone starts a wikipedia article that they want to take to DYK then I'd be pleased to help. But the important thing is not to have a hook, but to find a hook that involves a new wikipedia article, I had a look at the people in your book and they were all notable. Actually too notable as they all? have goog wiki articles. I also looked at the draughtsman who would be another good hook source has the opposite problem - I couldn't find anything on him. So you need to think of what the missing wikipedia article could be - hope this helps Victuallers (talk) 15:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

A work that covers newer ground
I am working on Index:Historical account of Lisbon college.djvu a little discovery of mine when flapping around at archive.org. Seems that there is plenty of potential there for articles at WP. I found that there is no article on the college, which seems to be particular for not being run by the Jesuits and refuge for many of the English catholics. I have yet to put any of it into main ns, as I am still working through the body however, thought that I would float it under your nose. I hoping that the register has some jewels too. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group
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Global message delivery, 23:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template
Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:


 * • Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag   with   and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Index:Sketches of representative women of New England.djvu
thanks for the proofreading. i’m in the process of moving the work, Representative women of New England, to this more complete scan, so please continue there. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 15:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Linewrapping
Hello! Re Page:Guy Boothby--A Bid for Fortune.djvu/153, I just thought I'd mention that usually we re-flow lines when proofreading, i.e. remove line-breaks within paragraphs. If you want a toolbar button for doing this, I've got one you can use by adding this to your common.js: Sam Wilson 04:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Sam sorry for delay, I'm not really bothered about removing line breaks but if you want to add this to my list of tools then I'd give it a try. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 14:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Line breaks
Hard coding multiple line breaks at the top of a page looks terrible when the page is later transcluded into the final text. If that kind of spacing is desirable (and it isn't always), then it should be placed into the page header so it won't be transcluded to the final work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thamks Victuallers (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

The Souvenir of Western Women
Hi, very glad to have you working on The Souvenir of Western Women! I'm pleased with this find, it has a lot of concise, accessible information on various interesting topics, it's a rather unique text. I've been intending to take care of all the images in one go, converting the high quality JP2 files from the Internet Archive, rather than the JPGs. Would you mind leaving those to me as you continue? I'd be happy to take it on soon (but probably not today). Again, many thanks! Always nice to have a chance to work with you. -Pete (talk) 19:23, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Pete, I was just intrigued whilst passing. I needed the image for the article I created for Mary Augusta Dix Gray on en:wiki. Nice book and intrigued to find that the first six women to cross the Rockies are mainly just mentioned on their husband's pages. Especially as Mr Gray appears to have been a bit of a s**t. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 23:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Love that English understatement...indeed he was. Thanks for pointing out your wiki article, I'll check it out. The early woman Oregonian I've been feeling out on for the last year or so was certainly better known than her husbands, she wasn't a pioneer but she befriended and wrote about many of them: author:Frances Fuller Victor. -Pete (talk) 05:01, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. that's not an unrelated comment, Ms. Victor had quite the feud with Mr. Gray. I'll have to dig into whether she wrote about Mary. -Pete (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)