User talk:Theornamentalist/Archive 2012

The Rape of the Lock
I upload File:The rape of the lock.djvu (º7º4 edition), that is the same version of The Rape of the Lock, how update this with this Source? Shooke (talk) 13:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I added Index:The rape of the lock.djvu, saludos Shooke (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice job on the "The Rape of the Lock", for Ƈ, exist a template like long s and long S? if not, may be, would be better create the template for this Shooke (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, for now what do? Shooke (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, yes, is the template ! Shooke (talk)
 * I agree, Shooke (talk)

There are some type of problem in The Rape of the Lock/Canto II. Do you know the reason? Shooke (talk) 22:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, Theornamentalis. I also left Spanish Wikisource, but I'll stay in this. If you need my help/collaboration for anything, you only have to call me. (I'm sorry my poor level of english, I hope soon to reduce this language gap).

In another vein, what is the issue of Portals here? And the Featured Text?

Thanks! --Escudero (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Genius, et al.
Thanks for getting validation started for this text. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Watchlist
Theornamentalist, how would I go about editing my watchlist. I have looked around throughout preferences, miscellaneous, watchlist, and gadgets but cannot find how to edit a watchlist. There are certain people I seek to learn codes, ccs, javascripts, &c. from like you, Inductiveload, George Orwell III and a host of other editors/administrators. I have a vague recall of once seeing an area that showed "raw edit" of a watchlist whereby one adds names such as yours although you are already on my watchlist. Some names I rarely see. Thank you for reading this. &mdash; William Maury Morris II Talk 00:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, ok... It was too just close to see. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist/raw

&mdash; William Maury Morris II Talk 02:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Check for details
I upload Index:Solar wind.djvu, and check details to page Solar-wind interaction with planetary ionospheres. See that works of NASA not in copyright, http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19760018046&qs=N%3D4294724546%2B4294956028 Saludos Shooke (talk) 20:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In template new text, is posible put an image? the "Solar-wind..." have one that is very graphical for include Shooke (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for Advice
Hello Theornamentalist.

I have made a first (and in fact second!) stab at reproducing the ornate chapter footer on Page:History of West Hoboken NJ.djvu/35, but am not entirely happy that the result is not as crisp as your efforts elsewhere in this same book. Is the result acceptable, and if not have you any suggestions how to improve the image (in particular, was use of PNG my biggest mistake here)?

In the text of Page:History_of_West_Hoboken_NJ.djvu/37, the contraction "Chas." has been expanded into "Charles", and I would like your advice/opinion/position on whether this kind of expansion is correct; or whether Wikisource should strictly follow the original form? I am happy either way, but would appreciate some guidance.

Thank you. MODCHK (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kind remarks and suggestions at User_talk:MODCHK. I appreciate the guides.
 * It looks like I took a hybrid path in attempting to capture the footer image. I did in fact take it from archive.org, but from their .djvu source. In attempting to follow the processing hints given at Help:Adding_images, the result from the 'convert' command was quite unusably washed out, and I settled for an intermediate image I had fortunately kept as the least-worst case! I shall have to try again under better circumstances, if only to get the steps right.
 * Thanks again! MODCHK (talk) 07:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Heads up
WS:PD Hesperian 02:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

War of the Worlds
I just noticed that our copy of The War of the Worlds was utterly broken due to the djvu file being deleted at Commons.

Commons observes the legal requirement that it may not host material that is under copyright in the US, where its servers are hosted...

and it also observes the site policy of not hosting material that is under copyright in the country of origin.

The War of the Worlds meets the legal requirement, but not the Commons policy. Wikisource is under no obligation to conform its own site policy with Commons site policy. Therefore I have uploaded it to Wikisource under the same title as it previously was at Commons. Everything is happily back up except that the mainspace pages might need to be purged.

Hesperian 10:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Basketball
FINALLY!!! ... unmistakable signs of testosterone spotted on en.WS! Thanks for adding it. :) -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that image
Cheers, Tfine80 (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Communist Manifesto
Hi Ornamentalist, I'd be very happy to see a proper discussion and perhaps an official Wikisource policy on the question of adverts. Do we leave them in or exclude them? I presume the ad you are referring to was Page:Manifesto of the Communist Party.djvu/64 and I was rather amused that people had proofread and verified an advert for a History of The Supreme Court of the United States in this subversive publication, but not even bothered to create the next page which contained an ad for Engels' Origin of the Family, which is, I would think, historically a far more important document.

I was at first inclined to mark the others as not needing to be proofread and leave that page, but what's the point? It's not transcluded to the main space anyway and if people want to look further they can and they can read both the original and the transcription if it's there. Should we not consider a transcription complete until every advertisement is transcribed? I'd like to see it discussed. Chris55 (talk) 20:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have no objection to adverts being transcluded - personally I often find them fascinating and (afaik) there's nothing to prevent one transcluding a page which has a 0 status in the proofread extension. But the presence of uncreated or unproofread pages does create problems if they are not marked individually as unnecessary. I've been working through several hundred works which have a few pages not proofread (from here) and each one is different. In some cases it appears someone got tired, in many cases they couldn't manage to upload a few pictures, and in others they didn't know how to deal with adverts or some other situation (e.g. footnotes spanning several pages or hanging indents in indexes). I changed the pagelist status in the above example from — to adv so that people could see what was there and that seems enough in that particular case.
 * But I do think we need to get more projects to the "Done" state. The recent statistics are appalling. And I've seen quite a few cases recently where people have turned back the status of a project from needing verification to needing proofreading because a few problem pages crop up. That seems to me another misunderstanding of the status. Certainly we need better procedures - possibly a compulsory review when a project is moved forward. But at the moment we don't even have the tools to set these up. Chris55 (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's another not dissimilar problem: Page:Love and Freindship.djvu/201. I marked this as not needing to be proofed because the same picture appears on p3 - it's one of the inside cover illustrations. Should we hold the whole process back on this book because we haven't got both copies? This page was marked blue. Someone has commented "desirableendpaperrepeatedfromstartofwork". Desirable, maybe, but it hasn't been fixed in 3 years. (And after all that's why the publisher printed it twice, because they knew what libraries do.) Chris55 (talk) 22:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Support
Dear Mr. Theornamentalist,

Yo soy working my way through college by seeking supporters for a specific book on wikisource in an area called "Featured Text". The following is a link to the book I am asking you to show your support on. Please read it in English or Spanish, and/or vote on it. The illustrations are beautiful and will educate you and your entire family (including your family dog and/or cat!) as you explain what is taking place in the book.

http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Featured_text_candidates&oldid=4018575

Por favor, add your support (free at no cost to you!) on the "Mexico" book becoming a "Featured Text". I thank you, my wife thanks you, our cats and dog thank you, and all of los gentes en Mexico thank you. The book was "Made in the USA" so all true Americans thank you, especially the Unions.

Su amigo, Maximilian I of Mexico y Guillermo Multi-linguistics Longname II. Muchas gracias, William Maury Morris II (talk) 06:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Proofread & Validated but U do pagina once (11)
Hello there friend ! I have just completed proofreading and validating your book except for page 11. Can you handle that page? http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Jevons_Block.djvu Please finish it up and place the book under the new texts section. Raul is in Canada! Kind regards, Maury ( William Maury Morris II (talk) 07:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

en & es
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Mexico_as_it_was_and_as_it_is.djvu/58

Two spellings:

"If his ancestor celebrated, here, a bloody sacrifice of victims takeh in battle, the modem Indian may purify the hill from the crime by the celebration of a peaceful mass, and the sermon of a worthy padre!

Theornamentalist, can you change this? The Spanish version may have the same situation. I tried but it seems people are locked out from making any changes. Respectfully, &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 19:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

At the feet of the master
Note: I've asked someone whom I know to assist with the Devanagari script on page 13. Does Wikisource have script templates to facilitate display of non-Latin scripts? --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:34, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

The text is:


 * असतो मा सद्गमय
 * तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय
 * मृत्योर्माऽमृतङ्गमय

On Wiktionary, we use the template for display of Devanagari script, but it calls  whose coding is a bit abstruse for me. I'm not sure what parts (if any) might need to be imported to make it work, or whether the Deva template is actually self-contained, or relies on css somewhere else. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:58, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you misunderstood. The  is used to mark text that could not or was not transcribed.  I am asking whether Wikisource has a template that ensures Devanagari script that is included in a text will display correctly on a reader's monitor.  Many browsers do not support non-Latin scripts (or even some extended Latin) without script assistance.  On Wiktionary, we use script-specific templates to aid this. Does Wikisource have analogues for this process? --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:At_the_feet_of_the_master.djvu &mdash;  William Maury Morris II  Talk 01:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Maury :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome,incognito. It is an interesting but tiny book with everlasting large concepts. It reads like philosophy. &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 19:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Black Cat
Hi,

Saw your request and went to go download it to strip the "Digitized by Google" watermarks before choosing a route forward (convert it locally or upload it to Internet Archive to let them convert it),,, But now I see you wiped the request. Should I stop at [re]uploading the "cleaner" PDF? Keep going? -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey George,
 * I've received help from Dcmdevit via the wikisource channel. I would like to have the whole series uploaded eventually. There are a couple hundred issues I think. The version Dcmdevit uploaded is now [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Black_Cat_November_1916.djvu here]; it contains the watermark and there is a large addition of borders around the page scans. If you had the time and want to make a better version, I certainly would not object. It would certainly beat me requesting this per issue. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll bet you were getting graphics/format errors in your attempts at conversion - the PDF you linked in [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Black_Cat_November_1916.pdf File: summary] at Google books (~428 pages, more than 1 issue it seems) looks like it was compiled by a fifth grader. I'm running Acrobat 10 against it now and its as slow as ever (which means its trying to deal with the images/layers peppered throughout the file). Don't know how long it will take or how much better off you'll be when done but removing the watermark always helps OCR routines better identify columns from one another so the final text layer will always be a bit less problematic at any rate. I'll touch back here when done. Note: Depending on the end file size, I might have to upload here on en.WS under my flood flag so it won't time out before the whole file is up. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, some of the scans are terrible, and will certainly lead to some pages being marked problematic. The file currently has no text layer, so whenever you do upload, it will definitely make my job easier. Thanks for your help George. - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I've uploaded the optimized, watermark-free PDF from GoogleBooks over your previous PDF on Commons. If you want to get a text-layer for that - uploading it to IA seems like the best solution since they will create a DjVu in the process as well. I would have split it up into the separate issues but I'm sort of dealing with people displaced by the flood downtown at the same time here. Let me know what else is needed, time allowing of course. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million George. I might split them up before IA. Didn't know you lived up here (I'm in Jersey, near the Lincoln tunnel), hope all is well with you and your family. - Theornamentalist (talk) 01:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks & hope the same. I'm in Queens, just minutes from mid-town on a bad traffic day. I was largely spared but both friend & foe were not - now stuck with a rotating band of one lot or the other for the forseeable future it seems. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know before you get to far along... The Black Cat in the mainspace is already a disambig page. You'll probably need to disambig the title(s) in question from the above to have a base page of The Black Cat (Magazine) or something. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh, you're right. Will fix that shortly. - Theornamentalist (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

El Gato de Negro
You are very welcome for the validations. I will take some time away from the computer now so you can edit without my running into your work. I started editing and validating early this morning so I need a break now. Validated two books as "Done". I hope that you and your loved ones did not get in harm's way by that storm. Respectfully, Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 01:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

My friend, remember the "inuse" tag when you mark "proofread" but you really have not completed that proofread. I state this only because I saw some more work done after I validated. The page looked correct to me. Respectfully, Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 11:32, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Maury,
 * Thank you, my family's fine, we lucked out for the most part. Regarding the changes after validation, they were not text related I don't think, rather, just formatting stuff. Like and such, not part of the validation process. I apologize, I tend to make formatting changes after I transclude into the mainspace for the first time and see what they all look like. - Theornamentalist (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello once again, Theornamentalist. I thank you for placing that book on en.WS today. Too, I validated some more of your work. "One good turn deserves another" as the adage goes. Respectfully, Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 23:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a problem :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 05:38, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Singing Beatles song, "...Hey, Dude, remember me, take a sad song an.. (paws here) What happened!? re: Your proofreading http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_Black_Cat_November_1916.djvu ?

DidJa paws tathink 'bout wat yu'r gonnado wid yu'r Nein! lives - an pray wid yor gui- Tar -baby? Stray Kats R Kool an sew es Cat Stevens "in de cradle wid a silvr spoon." Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 08:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

The American Indian
Good friend, there are only three pages left in all of the book entitled The American Indian that need validating. These are pages that I proofread and therefore cannot validate. Would you please look them over and validate them? Then that book will be fully validated. Kindest regards, Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 23:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_American_Indian.djvu


 * The above is no longer needed because Beeswaxcandle is online and he edited the last three pages that I had proofread. Kind regards, Maury ( &mdash; William Maury Morris II  Talk 23:56, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hammurabi
Ah, I see you're working on the illustrations for this, and discovered the title correction and move I made earlier today. Both are good to see. It turned out that the title of the work was quite different from the title of the file and pages, which would have led to a huge headache later on, so I went ahead and made the move while there were still relatively few pages created. The Index page should now indicate most of the page illustrations, but I fear the final six plates will be difficult to clean up, as they are ancient monuments bearing cuneiform, which were photographed, printed, scanned, and then compressed. If you can make the images look at all decent, I shall be very impressed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Casey at the Bat
While looking for potential books on IA, I stumbled across this little gem:  It's an illustrated 1912 printing of "Casey at the Bat". And as it is short, highly illustrated, and fun, it seemed to me like the sort of book you like to do. We do have the poem already, but without source text, illustrations, etc. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a simple way to place the originally facing pages side-by-side? I think this is one situation where pairing the pages in their original arrangement would help. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I validated much of "Casey at the Bat" by Theornamentalist book earlier today. I validated all that he has completed. It is a wonderful little book. Do you think the new, cleaned images are to small? Theornamentalist has a large monitor screen.  Maury ( &mdash;  William Maury Morris II  Talk 22:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * (Pete) - I just split them up; I agree that the continuity of the text is better this way, rather than the interruptions by the illustrations. However, I don't like that the main body of the work is aligned on the right. Any thoughts? I was thinking maybe to align the body of text centered, and have the images to the right, or left, or alternating. Eitherway, not sure. Let me know what you think.
 * (Maury) - Thank you for validating the text :) Regarding the images, to me they appear their relative size to the text; I'm not inclined to change their size, but what size were you thinking? - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:29, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see the overall right shifting of the text as a problem. I do think that having the poem run continuously in a column (as it does now) would be preferrable to having it alternate left and right with images.  The current layout makes for easier reading.  I say this as someone who recently used the poem as a text for a course that I teach. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thanks for the suggestion with the work. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:39, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Lost my reply when saving due to "edit conflict". Grrrrrr..  &mdash;  William Maury Morris II  Talk 22:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)