User talk:The Eloquent Peasant/Archive1

Welcome
--EncycloPetey (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Arthur Clark Kennedy musings
I uploaded Erotica, book to commons and created it across Wikisource English but I'm not sure if this Arthur and author should have his own article. What Arthur Clark Kennedy did was:
 * write and publish a poetry book, in 1891, called Pictures in Rhyme which includes war poetry, At Kassasin
 * write a love / poetry book, called Erotica with 250 copies for sale, in 1894
 * marry a woman, who later, in divorce proceedings, said she'd had to take care of him financially
 * have an affair with Olga FitzGeorge, socialite and descendant of King George III
 * abandon his wife
 * end up in the newspapers for the above reasons, in divorce proceedings filed by his wife


 * quote re: his wife, "She heard rumours about defendant going about the country in 1906 with Mrs. Lane...they were seen together in various places,... and they lived together as man and wife...in March and April, 1906."


 * I wondered who he wrote the "Erotica" for/about - his wife or Mrs. Lane? What do you think?

--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to join WS:WPV
Hey! I saw you made some recent validations, Level C. You might want to consider joining WikiProject Validate. We have a noticeboard where users can request their proofread works can be validated (this would be ideal for when Erotica gets proofread). Would this be something you are interested in joining? PS, if you want to include references on talk pages, you can use Reflist-talk. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:40, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. It's official then! I find validating is a nice way to pass the time, especially when you come across a really good book. Hey! I like the reflist talk template. Thanks again.--Level C (talk) 00:00, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I Feel the exact same way!!  I really enjoy trying to help other editors out with their projects (especially when my own personal interest in mine stalls). It's a great way to learn some interesting and new things! I'm really excited to have you onboard as well!! (Also, I'm glad you like the reflist-talk template!) Good news all around!!! :D &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Pictures In Rhyme
Hello. As you may have noticed, I started validating the Pictures In Rhyme and Kathleen.wright5 joined. Maybe it is time to transclude the work into the main namespace to see whether all the templates work there well, too. I could do it but I thought you may prefer doing it yourself. If not, let me know and I will transclude it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you. I don't know how to do that. You are welcome to do it thanks. Level C
 * No problem, I have started and will finish it tomorrow. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed 'cause all notifications were going to my spam folder. Thanks again and I'll be sure to contribute some more here!--Level C (talk) 23:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I have transcluded the work, can you check whether everything is OK, please? Thanks. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow. That's pretty magical stuff - the image on page 36"In his hand a glittering rapier shone" is amazing. Great job with this. I'm looking at it I just see the TOC on the source pages (non-transcluded pages) are red links so I may have done something wrong there. --Level C (talk) 00:44, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Erotica
Hi,

did you, by any chance, have any plans to create the pages in the main namespace for Index:Erotica.djvu ? The validation is moving on, and every now and then it is handy to have a look at the result in the "final form". So if you find some time, and have ideas about the way to handle this..... I feel myself not really confident with poetry. Once you have decided how to do it, I can of course give you a helping hand. Greetz, --Dick Bos (talk) 18:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I now read the previous post on this page, and understand that you are not used to doing this either. Well. Give it a try. There will surely be someone to help you, if you run into troubles. --Dick Bos (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I do have to try to learn how to do that. I'll give it a shot one day- soon, I hope. In the meantime, I'll keep validating Index:Henry VI Part 3 (1923) Yale.djvu. Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 00:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. I saw that you self-validated some pages. This is not the process. Proofreading / Validation shall be done by distinct editors. (e.g. ). Mpaa (talk) 15:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The system shouldn't let me. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Flash Blast from the past.. Might you know why the Erotica book "download" doesn't download all the pages, but only 11 pages, not any content pages? Should i ask on another page? Regards! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Sorry. I think I can't help you. I see the problem, but I really don't know what the cause is. Perhaps ask in the Scriptorium.... Some of the friends with much technical knowledge might be able to help. Greetings, --Dick Bos (talk) 08:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * TY! ✅

Proofing thanks and img float
Mostly and Many Thanks! Honestly, I got so discouraged trying to find the missing plates. Now, the plates are here and the text is proof-read!! Yay!

About img float. It is one of my favorites; it works so well and it shows good in Page and Main namespaces. It has a problem, however, with the built-in style options. The "Layout 1" option found in the navigation of Main page works. At least it did, I haven't checked it in a few months. It has the same problem with my styles only worse.

To fix it, if you are working on other projects, I highly recommend this: use "|style=text-indent:0;" in the template and without the quotes. It responds to text indenting, which Layout 1 uses.

My style pages need a span or a div containing this style parameter placed around the template brackets. I don't know why, so I just do that and I am fine for putting them there. So, this is just added for further proof of the templates foible concerning text indenting. I left word at the template about the problem, for sure, it will get fixed some day, week or month!

So, really, just thanks.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Your welcome ! I was glad to help because it's a lovely book. I trust you know what you're doing with the "div". Take care. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * About that style sheet: There exists some site-wide styles, I am just learning of them, but Pan pretty much just has it's own: Index:Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens (1912, Hodder & Stoughton).djvu/styles.css.  The only reason I am here (perhaps bothering you), is that the "landscape" style will do something that was not intended, I think.  I made both "plate" and "landscape" so that on an ereader a new page will be started when one of those is next.  There is a template that will do this ppb but it also draws a dotted or dashed line and it screws with stylesheets, so I don't use it -- or, I don't use it any longer.  It is a great template if you are just using templates.  The other thing, (and I just looked this up within the last month) is using height instead of width in the wiki image notation. Some Image File.ext That x makes it 200px tall.  My stylesheet and that image notation are unrelated except that I use them together because if a plate is going to be 500px wide, then other plates, if on their side, should be 500px tall.  It is seriously nice and easy notation!


 * I am not here to complain or lecture, I had a lot of really good help and this is really an attempt to pass that along. My help came in good small fresh doses -- and it looked like you were trying to figure out the landscape/xNNNpx thing.  Along with the wiki help (media wiki is easier to get to from commons, btw) I often use this:  https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS22/propidx.html  It is for CSS2, so it doesn't have everything, but everything there is in CSS3 so, the table layout is just great, imo.  And the page break stuff is there.


 * It is going to be a beautiful book, isn't it. There are few things online that are so rewarding as slapping a few style tags around some text and having it jump into this way that looks very much like the book.  It is what makes me an incompetent validator. Heh.


 * It's fun having someone else to work with.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * No bother at all and it is fun working with you. I did see that stylesheet, only looked at it but I've never created one. Once the book is "downloadable" I can check it out on my old Kindle.  I 'do' like proofreading and validating and you are very good with images, so a good match. I fixed the Index!  I think we've done a great job with Pan so far. :)  The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I love the font you have used, ! The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Heh, that is YOUR font! I just told it to use "serif" so whatever font you have chosen for serif is what you are seeing. There would be something wrong if you did not at least "like" that font.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Did not know that. They say "you learn something new every day." The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Eth and Thorn
I suspect the characters in Beowulf are eth (ð) and thorn (þ) instead of crossed d (đ) and p. MarkLSteadman (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not sure. I don't know. Maybe someone will fix 'em.The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But the crossed d matches the orthography and is also used for the purpose. So that is also reasonable to do. MarkLSteadman (talk) 17:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info! The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I just looked at this and only have to say "Oh God!" - I think I saw this in high school. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Pan, now Poe, et al
First and foremost, always know that I don't know what is going on, why it is going on or who is instigating and perpetuating it -- so, I feel overall very sad. Not angry and without information, for sure, not accusatory. Now the experiences and my reaction to them:

Peter Pan should have been long done by now. While I was working on it, the last page I was working on, the wiki stopped displaying the text correctly -- or as usual. Where there is a line between paragraphs where there is a blank line in the text. I find this enormously frustrating. I keep going back to see if it has "changed back" or not, and it never has.

Now, Poe. Weird things were happening; nice things I suppose, but weird all the same. I would change a ' to a &rsquo; and the whole rest of the page would have that change. Words that should have been separated by a line break were no longer separated. These things save me some small work, but they are just simply not worth the trade-off of the wiki not displaying correctly, as happened (like Pan) to it today. I did most of Poe, and those weird nice things did not happen. Now, it is so close to being done (3 to 5 days on my current schedule) and stopping until it starts to display correctly is making me so enormously sad!

The Valkeryie -- I have one act left before I finish that. Two days by my schedule. There is like 6 images left to complete and the last act (of 5 total) and I am not getting image previews with the software I use. I can't work like that. I do the first round of changes by numbers, so I could do this, but the final product, I make changes that I need to see what is happening. I am unable to relate your validation of the existing images to what is happening with the software, except that it happened with the first image I tried after your (kindly, albeit) validation spree. So, if you did something or if you know of something that happened, please undo it!

I would rather have these books finished than anything else -- I am so close to having them finished and causing conditions that make me stop until whatever and whoever loses interest is kind of cruel and a very deep sadness that I (nor anyone else) actually deserves.

Like I said, sad and not angry. I am only accusing you of messing with the stuff I am working on right before everything goes to crap here -- which has happened.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry!!! I reverted one thing.  How does it look? The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * What happens on one page has nothing to do with the next page. So I reverted that change.  I don't think it is any edit/edits you make that is screwing up the wiki for me, truly, the pages that are messed up and make me stop working, you had nothing to do with.


 * Two ways to view works found here. One is page by page, which I personally haven't done.  There is some button on the index page that starts up a layout for reading the pages as they were published.  The stuff in the headers and footers are for that way of reading the works.  The other is the transcluded work, that are often displayed with one chapter per "page" in the Main space (ie: no Page: or Index: starting the name in the web page title).  The styles that are found in the headers and footers of the "Page:"'s do not display in the Main space transclusions.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I do look at the books via Index (to see image and page, side by side) and transcluded - because it's real easy to spot errors when looking at transcluded pgs. BTW, I'm glad you've surmised that it's most likely not my edits that are screwing things up. Just let me know when you want me to validate anything. :) The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:36, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It literally took me years to see the buttons at the top of the Index pages. They provide links like: https://book2scroll.toolforge.org/index.html?lang=en&file=MU_KPB_001_The_Rhinegold_%26_The_Valkyrie_-_Illustrated_by_Artur_Rackham.pdf&startpage=1 and https://bookreader.toolforge.org/en/MU_KPB_001_The_Rhinegold_&_The_Valkyrie_-_Illustrated_by_Artur_Rackham.pdf#mode/2up and this: https://ws-page-game.toolforge.org/?wikisource=en&index=MU_KPB_001_The_Rhinegold_%26_The_Valkyrie_-_Illustrated_by_Artur_Rackham.pdf&lang=en which are about display and not editing.  Page by page display.  --RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:58, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these tools.. I like the first one and will try to check them out to see how they can aid me in my life's work. :) The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

A Complete Course in Dressmaking..
If you put the images in as image markup directly, it makes it harder for their styling to be reconfigured if needed.

The aim was to have ONE consistent styling across a volume (and indeed all the other volumes) which was why I'd recently added the relevant Indexstyles to all volumes.

That's why I'd been using FIS/FI and img float so that the caption style could be set in the Indexstyles, and thus if it needed to be adjusted, (say for different devices) it only needed to be changed on one page instead of having to change lots of Page:'s with the templated captions you were using. With this approach you also only need to type the actual caption in the relevant template parameter instead of having to add in the formatting for centering, italics etc. It also reduces the parser load, because it's not needing to expand out various style data every single time, just a class line instead.

Previous volumes were using PNG for the images IIRC, with the yellowed backgrounds removed.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. I use the crop tool and it doesn't give option to save file as PNG. I had changed it because I found the images were huge when I used the Indexstyles you placed there with the files I uploaded. No biggie.  I've self-reverted. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 11:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You still need to set the img width's albiet in px, as the width param of the imgfloat or FIS template. :)
 * That's probably why they ended up being massive
 * ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you pause for the moment? I'll sort out volume 3. Don't revert anything else (such as other volumes) please. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:05, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay! :) The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 13:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've now resolved Volume 3. I checked the styles. img float can be used provided it's given a straight caption with NO other markup. I've also replaced the missing image I found with  or   as required.

PLEASE continue to add the images, carefully :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks . There's a lot of stuff here that I didn't know. I'll add more images tonight. It's when I do my best work. Those images will obviously have to be replaced with a new upload, cleaner, less yellow but at least they'll be there. I'm not so into doing that part. Take care. :)  The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 16:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Page:A complete course in dressmaking, (Vol. 3, Underwear) (IA completecoursein03cono).pdf/87
I relocated the paired images here.. You may wish to tweak the width's used as a result.

You may also wish to consider using this table approach on other paired images.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . The table approach works well in some places but now it's 4:20 am and I've built up an uptight (Freudian slip?) appetite and can't decide whether to eat or get back to sleep. Talk to you later. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 09:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Straight/curly quotes: style change
Hi, glad to see you working on The Curious Republic of Gondour. I notice that your edits include "straightening" curly quotes, e.g. here. Are you aware that there was a change to the style guide? See Style guide, second bullet point under "7. Punctuation."

It's been a couple years, and I don't remember where I was reading this; but it's my understanding that the old rule strongly preferring straight quotes derived from deficiencies in search engines etc., that made them ineffective at properly indexing text with curly quotes. That problem doesn't pertain so much any more.

I think best practice is generally to stick with one or the other within a work. I believe this work already had consistent use of curly quotes, or at least mostly consistent.

I'm not especially worried about this work, but in general I guess I'd urge you to consider and maybe discuss a change with other editors, prior to beginning the change (and thereby potentially making the work inconsistent until you complete the conversion).

Again...not too worried about it, but thought it worthwhile to bring it to your attention for consideration. -Pete (talk) 04:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. I did not know that and I am so glad to learn this information. I'll use the curly quotes for future works and might go back and make these curly as well. Cheers! The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 05:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Glad that was helpful. Hard to track such changes if you're not spending lots of time looking at discussion boards :) -Pete (talk) 05:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I think I went overboard correcting. What about for possessives?  curly or straight?  The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that within a given work, consistent use of either (curly marks for both quotes and apostrophes) or (straight quotes for both) is ideal. -Pete (talk) 19:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay. The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 20:07, 29 February 2024 (UTC)