User talk:SnowyCinema/Archives/2023

youtube
Hi. Often the answer for youtube whitelist requests is to say use the full url, not the youtu.be shortcut. It is not difficult to legitimately work around the blocking components, it just needs a stop and a moment of thought. — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I did know that the shortcut could be converted, but thought using the shortcut, to stay true to what was done in the original work, was the answer. The spam whitelist also lists over a dozen other examples of youtu.be whitelisted links (for Index:Introductory Material to the Final Report of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.pdf), so I was following the example of what was already done in a similar work. PseudoSkull (talk) 14:00, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * See Introductory Material to the Final Report of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol/Endnotes PseudoSkull (talk) 14:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of what other people have done, and I am well aware of what I have said to those people at the same time. Following people's poor example is defensible, though necessarily desirable. With regard to "the look", this is a printed work, and does not actually require active hyperlinks, they are a nicety. Plus you can create active, functional links and still control the display to replicate the look of the work, as I explained at WS:AN. Fudging these things through administrative action in whitelist should be the last resort, and we are better off teaching people how to fish, than fish and feed. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Author:Wilfred Ernest Lytton Day
Not sure whether you are writing much at enWP, however, this bloke seems to have missed getting an article, yet seems suitably notable, especially with his early collections. I transcribed his obit. — billinghurst  sDrewth  — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you finding this guy and making an author page for him, but I don't edit much at enWP. Not a huge fan of that site and its deletion practices. I'd prefer to stay an enWS and other sisters. But I would support a WP article's creation, however. PseudoSkull (talk) 01:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the same re enWP. I will drop it over there with Ferguson, another FRPS, who is also missing. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Please don't usurp
Portal:Virgin Islands is the holistic, not the US territory, and reallocating unless there is a clear error is never a good idea. Better to start new portal specifically if it is needed. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. PseudoSkull (talk) 04:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Nathan Hale

 * ''Discussion continuation: Scriptorium

You've set up a redirect across namespaces. We don't do that. An Author disambiguation page should reside in the Author namespace, such as Author:William Shakespeare. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Where is this stated as a hard rule? I see no evidence of such a rule at Help:Redirects...and if there is such a rule, I'll gladly bring a discussion about it to the Scriptorium, since these types of redirects are useful. The technicality about which namespace it's in should not necessitate that a helpful redirect is not created. Having a redirect from Author:Nathan Hale to Nathan Hale disseminates confusion, and also would prevent that author page from being duplicately created. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, the disambiguation page John Brown has been set up in the past by administrator Billinghurst, where there are both author pages and works. This is because we don't need two separate disambiguation pages for the same thing, according to him, because that confuses Wikidata. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WS:CSD M3 - Cross-namespace redirects. It's one of the reasons for speedy deletion.  All of us make mistakes from time to time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * See also Help:Disambiguation, where our standard example is in the Author: namespace, not the mainspace. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * (ec) One disambiguation page per term per wiki, and we try to align it to the namespace of the pages, though in the end when there are multiple nss including main, then it ends up in main namespace per Help:Disambiguation. And somewhat yes, so it does align with WD. Commentary: I have protected author ns pages, so they are not recreated. With regard to redirects, x-ns are stated in Deletion policy that they can be speedy deleted, though I also wonder whether it is the one time that we should have xwiki ns redirects, on that I do umm and ahh and I haven't felt strongly enough to have that battle for a change. For the page itself, I would say that I would have put main ns works first in main ns, and then done the authors. I also would  have put the bio link on the disambig page, as I would have still relied on that being on the author page in the "Works about" section (and my reasoning being that we don't typically do redirects to bio subpages when they appear more logically elsewhere. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:24, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

There should only be one disambiguation page per page title for all namespaces, with all these pages being at root level, not as subpages
 * and this conversation went through WS:Scriptorium several years back as we modified this when we started coming across multiple disambiguation pages. I can see the following WS:S (somewhat) pertinent discussions
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2016-10
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2022-01
 * Scriptorium/Archives/2023-01
 * — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Looking at that again, why do we need to disambiguate the main namespace, there doesn't seem anything there to need disambiguation. The main ns page can exist on its own, and link to the author's page through — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Re
AN. Smells like ... ? — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought so, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt before blocking to ask a socratic question. Since if I was wrong and blocked them, that could be troublesome. PseudoSkull (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Totally understand, and you will note that I did the same not doing. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Ppoem and lang block...
ppoem has a lang= param directly. I asked inductiveload for this. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

¡No Pasaran!
Here. You had asked for this a while ago. It is in the public domain (no notice), and none of the copyright notices on the photographs are valid (they are all missing the date). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! May I ask how you get these books for scanning? Is it through interlibrary loans? PseudoSkull (talk) 04:00, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * PseudoSkull: Yes, I use ILL. Any other books you’ve been wanting? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 13:54, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably a big scan project (a novel) so I'd understand if you didn't want to do it, but if you could get Flying Death by Edwin Balmer (1927), that'd be much appreciated! PseudoSkull (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If I get a scan of it, I'll transcribe it immediately. PseudoSkull (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That’s only 200 pages, that will be easy. The longest one I’ve uploaded is The Net of Faith (800 pp.), and I’m working on some multi-volume works now which are longer. The most tedious was probably The Art of Japan; the pages took about two minutes to scan each. (For a novel, it’s closer to 15–20 seconds.) A good number of libraries have a copy, so it should come in soon. I’ll scan it as soon as I get it. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want a few more, Diary of One Month in Honolulu (1910) and Kat and Copy-Cat (1929, not renewed), both by Katherine Merritte Yates, are two books that are probably interesting that I've been meaning to get to scanning myself. Again, your efforts are much appreciated. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * PseudoSkull: Both have been ordered—pester me any time if you’re having trouble finding a book. Kat and Copy-Cat is listed under a different name (a pseudoskull, er, pseudonym, I presume), but the name under the copyright is “K. Yates.” The Diary might be a little more difficult to get, or it’ll be a bit easier (if the other library is willing to scan it). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The Morris is ordered. Any other of Morris’s work catch your interest? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you mind making a subpage of your user page to request scans? I may add to something like that and ping you there periodically if you don't mind. Thanks. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here you go: User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests. You might want to watch that page, since you have so many requests there already. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I would like to additionally request that, for works requested by me, index pages do not get created yet. I'll create them with my systematic approach later. Just uploading the files to IA or Commons would be great. And once they're uploaded, I'll get to it. PseudoSkull (talk) 23:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

A slip of the click?
Here? Xover (talk) 09:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Sorry, I have to admit, I completely have no idea how that happened. Must have been a misclick. Fixed 12:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, it was a rollback, those things are so easy to click in your watchlist without realizing it. Thanks for catching it though! PseudoSkull (talk) 12:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I especially mislike how easy it is to misclick on mobile. And I've seriously considered disabling rollback on desktop too for this reason. Xover (talk) 12:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

/P/ error
Dapples of the Circus is messed up from p. 59. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * :( Thanks for letting for me know! PseudoSkull (talk) 08:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

rh/1
Hey. A couple of places you've had Gemma add rh/1 to page headers/footers. Here for example. Why are you using rh/1 here rather than, e.g., rh or just plain c? Context for the question is that rh/1 is most likely going the way of the Dodo, and I want to make sure all use cases for it are covered by other alternatives first. Xover (talk) 07:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That edit was over 2 years ago, so I don't really remember why I picked that specific template. Maybe (and I'm just guessing) I felt the template was appropriate at that time, for some reason that wouldn't apply to today. I believe in later renditions of the same code, I did end up using rh. That Royle Girl was one of the earliest transcription projects I can remember doing on this site, and I've been learning better practices/methods along the way to improve my transcription practices every time I get an opportunity since then. PseudoSkull (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. So no concerns if we replace it with rh or plain c then? Xover (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope, do whatever's the right thing. PseudoSkull (talk) 12:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Possible QT (or OCR) errors encountered
Hi, I recently finished validating Solo and wanted to follow up on our previous conversation (on my Talk page) and point out some errors I corrected multiple times, in case they might be QT-related: 1. In several cases, a double quote would be handled incorrectly: it would end up at the beginning of a line (where no quote was in the source), and a single quote would be where the double quote should be. It seems to occur if there are one or more single quotes inside the double-quoted text (e.g. contractions, like "I'll" or "I'm"), so it appeared to be trying to generate matching single & double quotes. For example: Special:Diff/13579422 and Special:Diff/13567567

2. Although most French or French-origin words have their correct e-accents and other special characters, sometimes an e-accent is inserted where none is in the original source text. One case I encountered twice was "debutante" (in the original text), but "débutante" in the generated text: Special:Diff/13567033 and Special:Diff/13567147

3. This one may just be an OCR glitch, but one frequent error was a comma instead of a period, buried in a paragraph of multiple sentences;  it never replaced the final period of the paragraph, IIRC, so seemed like it may be due to a rules-based correction. Looking at the original source text, the period looks normal, to my eye. Examples: Special:Diff/13587380, Special:Diff/13587311, Special:Diff/13586531 Harris7 (talk) 14:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for these observations. I've been carefully watching your edits on these pages, so that the system can be improved.
 * 1. That was a regular expression meant to catch instances of paragraphs that are supposed to begin with quotations marks. This regex has been deactivated recently and I'm still trying to think of a better way to solve that problem.
 * 2. The débutante thing was purely my eyes failing me. The software you mentioned does put accent marks on certain words automatically, but I usually remove them if I see they're not used in a particular work. Since there are so many accented words in Solo due to its heavily multilingual nature, I think I just missed those two instances during proofreading.
 * 3. That is an OCR glitch, and I really don't think it's one that can be easily remedied. You can default to a period before certain capitalized words like "The", "You", etc. but it starts to get really iffy where you get names like "Paul" or "Richard", because there really aren't too many rules you can pull from. Not very common, but in may books thoughts are not italicized or put in quotation marks, leading to the words thought by the characters capitalized mid-sentence, which is something that'd have to be watched out for during proofreading. Though I think it's still justifiable. But in certain works, such as The Tattooed Countess by Carl Van Vechten which I also recently transcribed, quotation marks are entirely removed from dialogue...which I personally think is a really weird decision on the author's part, but hey, we gotta respect the source text. What can I say?
 * Overall, Solo was a bit complicated with the formatting due to the multilingual nature of the text, and Pierre Coalfleet actually reminds me a lot of Van Vechten as an author, so I wonder if there was any influence in either direction... I'd encourage you to validate more texts if you ever have the time. It will help to make the technology better and better. Here's a complete list of all the works that have so far been transcribed with QT. The actual titles are the same as the subpages. Or heck, just tune into new texts every once in a while. I've been filling up over half of the list for the past 2 weeks now (at least). PseudoSkull (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)