User talk:RazzleBeast

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Again, welcome! John Vandenberg (chat) 02:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The Scarlet Ibis
Im not 100% sure of how "PD-US-no-notice" works in the case of an article in a periodical; I expect that if the periodical issue has a copyright notice, then all works within it are considered to be copyright. My guess is that The Atlantic Monthly did have a copyright notice on the issue in question. In order to claim "no notice", you need to provide evidence of such: either scholarly articles that assert it, or actual page scans that demonstrate that the original edition didnt include a notice.

The other approach is to prove that it's copyright was not renewed by satisfying the requirements of PD-US-no-renewal. In the LOC database, I can see one entry that indicates it was renewed, in 2004.

''The scarlet ibis; short story / By James R. Hurst. (In Atlantic monthly, July 1960) RE 385-387. -- Scarlet ibis; short story / By James R. Hurst. (In Atlantic monthly, July 1960) RE 385-387. -- V3514D751 -- 2004.

That appears to indicate it was renewed too late! The copyright on a 1960 work needed to be renewed 28 years later, otherwise it's copyright lapses. See Copyright Act of 1909. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So the renewal dosen't count...meaning to use PD-US-no-renewal? Ray 16:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It is odd that they would try to renew it, and have a renewal given to them, unless there is some legal basis - in order to be 100% sure, I think you would need to contact the publisher and inquire what was renewed (they may not be very helpful), or ask the LOC to do a copyright search (there is a small charge for this). Alternatively, you might like to ask on our community discussion board, or on the Wikipedia Reference Desk. John Vandenberg (chat) 16:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright business gives me a headache...i'm just going to give it the copyright violation template and let it run its course. Ray 15:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. I'll launch a discussion on WS:COPYVIO, and fingers crossed we work out that it is not covered by copyright.  Even if it doesnt turn out to be freely available, Wikisource also collects information pertaining to the copyright status of works, so this is a useful exercise.  It is better to have tried and failed, than to have never tried at all.

p.s. we have recently turned on email notifications, which allows you to automatically be notified if someone posts a message to your talk page, or modifies a page on your watchlist. In order to enable this feature, see your preferences -- John Vandenberg (chat) 15:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Finally! I was hunting all my peferences trying to find that option (: Ray 20:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Razzlebeast, are you a long lost relative of the [Crunchberry Beast? If so, I've been a fan of his for a while, so maybe you could swap me a bowl of Crunchberry cereal for some copyright research!  [[User:ResidentScholar|ResScholar]] 05:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

eh? wha? confusedd? why did you post this? ~therazzlebeast [i'm not signed in]
 * Just to be funny. I was curious about your name and wondered if it had anything to do with the Crunchberry Beast, who I liked growing up.  Sorry if you responded immediately to an alert on your e-mail and you weren't in the mood for joking inquiries.  ResScholar 05:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)