User talk:Pokechu22

Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:27, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

help me
 * Thanks. I do have one question: for most of my recent edits, should I have been setting the page status to "not proofread" or to "proofread"?  Help:Page status says what the statuses mean, but doesn't elaborate as to what the threshold of having proofread something is.  I do see now that Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/March 2022 gives a clearer  instruction as to whether work is finished or not, but I'm uncertain.  As examples, I've recently been working on tables of contents (e.g. Page:The English Works of Thomas Hobbes (1840), Vol. 6.djvu/5 and corresponding intro pages (e.g. Page:The English Works of Thomas Hobbes (1840), Vol. 6.djvu/7), since I am fairly confident with mediawiki.  I'm "done" with these pages, but I don't really know whether that means I've proofread them (I didn't use OCR but instead retyped things), as I'm unconfident about font sizes.  Similarly there have been a few tiny pages like Page:On a grey thread (IA ongreythread00gidl).pdf/5 where it's basically done, but font adjustments are likely needed.  And on the other hand, there's Page:On a grey thread (IA ongreythread00gidl).pdf/81 which is much longer and more text-filled, and I'm less confident that I actually transcribed things correctly (I am somewhat dyslexic).  Would it be correct for me to mark first 3 examples I linked as proofread while leaving the last one as not proofread, or should they all be marked as proofread, or is there some other criterion I should be using? --Pokechu22 (talk) 20:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * We have a two pairs of eyes policy, so the first editor gets the page to the best condition they can where the text matches the scan and basic formatting is done. Then the validator will go through it again. This means that any page that you have gone through can be marked as Proofread when you are reasonably happy with it. A Proofread page is ready for display to the casual reader—even if it has little errors in it. I use the Not Proofread status when I'm partway through dealing with a page and get interrupted or I just want to save an intermediary point in a complex page.Just a side-note. For Grey Thread /5, I note you've put a space before the colon. Our Style manual says to take out all spaces before points of punctuation. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the clarification. I'll go through the pages I've done recently and update the status to proofread for them, then.
 * Thanks for mentioning the colon. I was vaguely aware of that policy but I guess I didn't apply it there (I was probably distracted by the long S :P).  I have been recently applying spacing before and after bracket-quotes («»), though not regular quotes, though I did so because looks like the source text also uses that spacing; should that be changed too, or are those quotes special? Pokechu22 (talk) 06:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You've sent me off on an investigation. The proper name for those quotation marks is guillemets and the only language that requires them to be spaced with thin spaces is French (but not Swiss French). All other languages that use them do them unspaced. So, for Imre (with an Neapolitan source) they should be unspaced. Thanks, I've learnt something new. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I'll go over those tomorrow and remove the unneeded spaces.  There's one other oddity, in that a few pages (e.g. Page:Imre.pdf/39, Page:Imre.pdf/40, and Page:Imre.pdf/159) prefix each line with an opening guillemet, which messes up trying to remove line wrapping.  Would it be best to just remove the opening guillemets on each line?  (There are also cases where an opening guillemet or quote is never closed, but it's easy enough to leave those as-is... and the way the text switches between guillemets and quotes somewhat arbitrarily is also odd.  I guess this might be better to have on Index talk:Imre.pdf but we're already talking about it here; I can summarize it there later.) Pokechu22 (talk) 08:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah. That was a 19th Century printers' trick to indicate a longer quoted passage from the margin. We can't reproduce it because of the ever-changing margins in html on the vast range of window sizes that people read on. I had something similar on Page:The Warden.djvu/205 which I dealt with by modernising to quotemarks at the beginning of each paragraph. I chose to constrain the width of the section because it was a letter that I was reproducing. In the /39–40 example I wouldn't do that, but would consider it for the /159 example. An alternative would be to use the blockquote template. It really depends on which look on the page will best suit the work and how it will be presented. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for Imre
I saw that you proofread Imre with lightning speed. Thank you for working on this and being such an awesome person. Languageseeker (talk) 02:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and glad to help. For whatever reason, Imre called to me, so I was willing to put a lot of time into it. I probably won't have time to work on something else to that level for a while. But it's done now, and I've proven that I can do something like this, so I'm happy. --Pokechu22 (talk) 05:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Jūkichi Kinoue
Does Sketches of Tokyo Life display for you? When I follow the link it directs me to purchase the book elsewhere. If there is no free copy, we usually do not include a link. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have full view, but it does have Google Books' snippet view (example). I'm not sure why the full view isn't available, since the book should be in public domain (the help article says they can be contacted to review this, though I haven't contacted them about it myself).  I'm fine with removing the link (or commenting it out) until a full version is available; I just added the link because it was the best I could find when looking for more information. (It's also possible that it's only available in some countries for some reason; I'm in the US.) --Pokechu22 (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Some people seem to have access then. I couldn't even get snippet view or any preview when I tried, just links to commercial sites. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To clarify, snippet view is the mode where there's a search field labeled "From inside the book", and you can get a few lines of text using it. It's not sufficient for doing a full transcription, though it is usable to check whether the book says something or not, which is occasionally useful. --Pokechu22 (talk) 06:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)