User talk:Moondyne/Archive 1

Re: History of West Australia
Thank you for your contributions. If you like to use scanning and OCR, you may consider the namespace "Page" (see Help:Side by side image view for proofreading). And as for the table of contents, I think that it may be better to placed at the main page History of West Australia, not just a subpage History of West Australia/Contents. Thanks for your consideration. --Neo-Jay 07:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy New Year!--Neo-Jay 08:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * If you scan and upload the images onto commons, we have a bot that can automatically OCR the pages (depending on the page layout, typeface, etc, etc). John Vandenberg 08:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. I need a larger flatbed scanner than the one I have here, so it'll take a few days. I wonder if the bot is able to manage two columns?  Moondyne 08:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've asked the bot operator whether it can handle two columns: User talk:ThomasV. John Vandenberg 09:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. You guys are outstanding. Moondyne 09:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * hello, I transcluded 3 pages and I created the index page (Index:History of West Australia) for your project.ThomasV 16:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Thomas but I've rem'd pages9-11 transclusions as they haven't been proofread yet and the OCR quality is so awful they are virtually unintelligible (esp as the two column thig isn't working). I'm going to have to rescan these and try another tack.


 * My little desktop scanner at home seems to manage the OCR better, except it struggles with the page size. But I will overcome!  Moondyne 07:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

hello Moondyne.

You should not create two pages when there is a chapter end (Page:History of West Australia p11a.jpg and Page:History of West Australia p11.jpg). it is better to use the labeled section transclusion (lst) ThomasV 16:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I finished the draft, the author finally gets around to mentioning the subject. Thanks for your quick response to my request, let me know me know if more becomes available. OCR would be nice, and, I'm guessing, fairly accurate from the more sophisticated online services. I didn't try to get the image either.  I imagine that the publisher had to order more commas for this work, he would have used up every one in the state :p
 * You will need to decide how to structure the document, with regard to sections and page name and so on. I not completely up to date with the emerging solutions to these problems, if you are the same, have a long think about, look at what others have done, read the guidelines, and test some models of two columns wrapping the image, and so on.
 * Or just ask H. Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyright tags
I'll ask here as I'm unsure the correct discussion forum.

Category:License templates doesn't have a tag specifically for Australia, but the work is certainly PD, per w:Template:PD-AUS. Shouldn't there be a similar Template:PD-Australia here? Or shall I just use Template:PD-old-50?

Thanks. Moondyne 09:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Believe it or not, the Wikisource equivalent of the Village Pump, known as the Scriptorium, actually functions as a useful discussion board! Hesperian 10:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I see that you initially created the enWP and Commons template for Australia; please do create our PD-Australia template as well. Our templates are applied to both Author: pages and works, and the wording needs to be slightly different in each case.  Also the license needs to indicate that it is PD in Australia, without necessarily saying it is PD in the United States, as we have other templates like PD-1996 to cover that.


 * Note that we have started using the naming convention PD-Gov for works of various governments that are in the public domain. e.g. PD-UKGov, PD-INGov and PD-CAGov. This is so that our templates are shorter and more specific.  As a result, a PD-AUGov is also required.


 * in addition to the Scriptorium, most of us watch RC. John Vandenberg 11:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A copyright query you might be interested in. John Vandenberg 04:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Links
Standards are less, um, standardised, here, so you have heaps of latitude in how you do things. So take this merely as a suggestion: personally, I never link to Wikipedia from within documents. The only things I link to is other documents, and authors; e.g.:
 * "In Mr. Fraser's collection, the principal genera of this order are Petrophila, Isopogon, Hakea, and Banksia; and these are also the most abundant in the districts of King George's Sound and of Lucky Bay. The number of pieces of the two first-mentioned genera confirms the remark made in the Botanical Appendix to Captain Flinder's Voyage—namely, that in New Holland, at the western extremity of the parallel of latitude in which the great mass of this order of plants is found, a closer resemblance is observable to the South African portion of the order than on the east coast, where those allied to the American part chiefly occur."

I try to link the first occurrence of every author or document, even if it is a red link. This elegantly fits my own notion of this project being a web of documents, just as Wikipedia is a web of articles. But of course one can argue that a blue link to Wikipedia is more useful than a red internal link. I shall leave it up to you, and shall say no more on the subject. Hesperian 11:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Can I get a sneak preview of "The Abrolhos" section of Chapter One? Hesperian 11:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a googolplex. Hesperian 12:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Oz
I'm not sure if you're interested in helping out - but FloNight and I have been trying to keep New texts updated for upcoming holidays. January 26th is both India and Australia Day - since Australia Day predates India Day (and frankly, will attract more interest, since we have more Australian users than Indian...), I thought it would be a wise choice and have started The Voyage of Governor Phillip to Botany Bay which details the voyage which Australia Day commemorates. If you can find any other eTexts related to historical Australia, or better yet - Australia Day (also called Republic Day), please feel free to add them and make a note on our talk pages - once we have eight new texts, we'll update the template on the front page! :) (Since I believe you are also Australian yourself, please consider adding Australia to your watched pages, and help us improve that index! Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Sheet music 21:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ramping up?
It took you over two years to get to 31 edits here, and now we've had four times that in three weeks. What gives, man? Ramping up to become a serious contributor, or just flirting? Hesperian 11:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sysop
Cheers mate. Hesperian 12:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Australian poetry
Hey, as I believe you are an Australian, I thought I would direct you to Australian poetry both to help fill out the collection, maintain and clean up the index, and for your own possible interest. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Honoré de Balzac 01:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fremantle Journal
I've finished the other three pages. Feel like in validating them for me? Hesperian 03:54, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No. For your information, I spent about an hour the other day transcribing page 1 and when I hit save got an edit conflict with you.  That was how I knew it was OK and was able to tag it as proofread so quickly.  I didn't say anything at the time as it would only have been words starting with the letter "f".  If it makes you feel any better, you did a much better job than me as I had a lot of unrecognised words, and your formatting was also nicer.  I am still trying to get over this shocking waste of my time and hence cannot say when I'll manage to face up to the risk of it happening again.  moondyne (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well shit, that sucks. I do most humbly apologise. Hesperian 04:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mock your pain, but you were asking for it. Consider:
 * Hesperian writes Wikipedia article on newspaper;
 * Hesperian obtains images of newspaper;
 * Hesperian crops and balances images of newspaper;
 * Hesperian uploads images of newspaper to Commons;
 * Hesperian add image of newspaper to Wikipedia article;
 * Hesperian creates Wikisource index for newspaper;
 * What were you thinking I would do next? :-)
 * Hesperian 05:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know, rub it in. I thought you may have wanted a break and I was just trying to be helpful. moondyne (talk) 05:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The help would have been very welcome; if I had known, I certainly should have stayed out of your way. Hesperian 05:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Index
I created Index:The climate of Western Australia, from meteorological observations made during the years 1876-1899.djvu for you. The others are left as an exercise for the reader writer.

Page:The climate of Western Australia, from meteorological observations made during the years 1876-1899.djvu/7 is a bit of a problem... and Mr Battye doesn't own a copy; the only libraries in Australia that can help you are the National Meteorological Library, the State Library of Victoria, and the National Library of Australia.

Hesperian 02:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks muchly.  When you say p.7 is a problem are you referring to the image quality and the OCR result?  The PDF (and presumably the jp2 files) seems to be fine.  ;) Moondyne (talk) 02:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The errata is on a sleeve that obscures the contents page behind it. Hesperian 03:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The contents page without the Errata sleeve is at /9. Moondyne (talk) 04:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well f**k me; I didn't notice that. I think I may have to pull those duplicates out, crop the errata, and put it at the end of the book.... Hesperian 04:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Page 7 is just the errata now. Hesperian 06:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for all that. It seems you just scraped in under the 20mb limit also.  Moondyne (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can tell the djvu encoder what the output file size should be. I usually aim for whatever is smaller: 1% of the uncompressed images, or 20Mb. In this case it was the latter. Hesperian 11:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The djvu is still quite fuzzy, compared to the png I cut out of a pdf. Compare: Moondyne (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I looked at the above images at 750px, and there are dreadful compression artefacts in the djvu. That's the price you pay for 99.6% compression. Your 1.1Mb png shits all over it, but 1.1 x 186 pages > 200Mb!
 * When I said that you can tell the djvu encoder what the output file size should be, I rather oversimplified the situation. Firstly, you convert each page to a single page djvu, at which time you can tell the encoder how big the output file should be. Then, you collate all the single page djvu files into a multi page djvu. The obvious way to figure out how big the single page djvu files should be is to divide 20Mb by 186 pages. The result is a little over 100kb. So I told the encoder to encode each individual page into a 100kb file. But the information content varies from page to page, so by locking in 100kb for all pages, I end up with very high fidelity blank pages, and lower-than-average fidelity graphics. Whereas we want the opposite. If I could be bothered (and I suspect that I can), I would go back and play around with various decibel quality target values until I hit on a value that yields the best quality in a sub-20Mb file. But in the end, no matter what I do, your lossless PNG image will still shit all over it. Its entropy maaate!
 * Hesperian 14:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I regenerated all pages at 33 decibels, which is the highest fidelity I could get and still fit under 20Mb. Featureless pages shrunk e.g. page 8 went from 100Kb to 2Kb. Complex pages grew e.g. page 40 went from 100Kb to 283Kb. Your beloved page 15 is very average when it comes to information content, and it went from 100Kb to 104Kb, which means you're not going to see any improvement. Sorry, I did my best, and I failed; the only remaining option is at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595. Overall, though, this upload is indisputably better than the previous, so I'm glad I went to the trouble. Learned something too. Hesperian 02:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as you got some value out of it I'm happy. I certainly didn't expect you to go to so much trouble over what to me was a triviality.   Moondyne (talk) 02:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's all part of the fun. I'm currently working up a DjVu of Diary of ten years, because the archive.org one is watermarked. I dread to imagine the crap quality I'll get out trying to jam 582 pages into 20Mb :-( Hesperian 02:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep me posted and sing out if there's any proofing needed or mundane copy-pasting you want to delegate. Moondyne (talk) 02:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Diary of ten years
The DjVu is now at Image:Diary of ten years.djvu. In the course of trying to get this under 20Mb, and dismally failing to achieve a file as readable as the archive.org one, I discovered that the archive.org DjVu of Climate is far more readable than mine is. I wonder if you were trying to politely tell me this in the thread above?

After spending a goodly amount of time investigating the cause of my incompetence, I discovered that DjVu supports a few different encodings. The one with which it is usually identified is the DjVuDocument encoding, which is absolutely spiffing at compressing images of text inked onto a page. In my ignorance, I had assumed that was what I was encoding to, but in fact the encoder I was using encodes to DjVuPhoto, a much simpler, more general, less tailored, compression scheme, which treats pages as photographs, much the same way jpeg does. It turns out that there is no DjVuDocument encoder that is both spiffing and free; all the decent ones are proprietary. The only DjVuDocument encoder I have is a simple one intended for "images containing few colors. It performs best on images containing large solid color areas such as screen dumps. "

But I ain't licked yet. One option, which I took with Diary of ten years, is to segment out the text, put it on a white background, and encode to DjVuBitonal. That allowed me to fit 580 pages into 16Mb, while retaining sharp text, which rates as a "spiffing" outcome in my book. I'd be interested to hear your opinion of it: do you think the loss of the brown background is a positive or a negative? Another option is to quantize down to a two (or a few) colours and try out my crappy DjVuDocument encoder.

Hesperian 13:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't specifically, but did wonder how/why sometimes the raw OCR text is embedded in the djvu file, and sometime it is not (I suspect that that's what you're talking about above, but 99% of this is over my head), and how do you (or can you) access that text from the Wiki interface. (OTOH, maybe a little knowledge is dangerous and I should continue to plod along in blissful ignorance)   Which free reader do you recommend?  To me, the background is of no value, except say the cover page like [[Image:Diary of ten years.djvu|40px|page=1]].  As you say, the benefit of clumping the whole 580 pages into less that 20mb is great.  Moondyne (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. I have another related question which I'll address via email. Moondyne (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, embedded OCR is entirely another matter. I reckon it is still possible to embed OCR, even in a DjVuPhoto encoding, but I'm not really interested in going there. I don't think it can be accessed from the MediaWiki interface, but there is a button you can use to request OCR for a page. Those requests are handled by ThomasV's OCR bot, which I believe checks for embedded OCR before it attempts an OCR itself.
 * The only reader I've used is djview, which comes with djvulibre, which is what I've been using to encode.
 * Yes, as you can see I fiddled with the pages, but kept the covers as is. If you're happy with that I will try something similar with Climate. Hesperian 05:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hesperian 13:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. Just reading your 'Primary sources'.  Fascinating.  Moondyne (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

move
I did the same thing with the new artikel at w: - which I only noticed when it redlinked at that famous fella Y— I don't see a problem, unless google doesn't scrape our redirects, which may be the case, because it wasn't appearing in the ghit list, at least the last time I checked, which was this arvo ...[pant!] Thanks for noting it, 'autopatroller Moondyne' ;-) — Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * G'day mate. I moved it back. Though title case is used in most real world contexts, and on Wikipedia, repositories of documents (i.e. libraries) invariably (that may be a slight exaggeration) use sentence case. There is not yet consensus on this point here on Wikisource, so I do what is best in my own eyes, which is use sentence case. Hesperian 11:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take your word for it. We now have a redirect so initial problem is solved anyway.  Good work. Moondyne (talk) 12:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

proofread
It isn't obvious from the labels, but the usual modus operandi here is to use "not proofread" for OCR text that hasn't been fully read over and corrected, "proofread" for text that has been corrected from OCR, and "validated" for text that has been proofed by another party. So once you're satisfied with the pages you're posting, you should be promoting them to "proofread".

As an added bonus, I am in the longstanding habit of stalking Cygnis, by tracking the pages that he has proofed which are awaiting validation, and following along behind him validating them. I would be happy to extend the same service to your good self, but it ain't gonna work if you leave a trail of "not proofread" pages behind you instead of a trail of "proofread" pages.

Hesperian 04:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, understood. Will do.  After doing a handful more, I was planning on revisiting them all from the start and so will promote to proofread then.  And yes, offer gratefully accepted.  Moondyne (talk) 04:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Another thing, is it bad practise to transclude not proofread pages into the chapter pages (ie before they're proofread), or doesn't anyone care? Moondyne (talk) 04:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer not to, personally; but I doubt if there is community consensus on that point. Do what thou wilt. Hesperian 04:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Paragraphs
Page:History of West Australia.djvu/37 clearly has paragraphs (2 c/r's), but when transcluded into History of West Australia/Chapter 3 they disappear. What have I done wrong? Moondyne (talk) 00:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen this quite a few times before; it can be a bugger to track down. Leave it with me for a little while. Hesperian 00:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly, this didn't fix it. But this did; I'm not sure why. Hesperian 01:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Blockquote was probably inappropriate there anyway. Thanks.  Moondyne (talk) 01:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

When the mood takes you, can you validate /1, /9, and /10 please? These are the three that I yellowed, so someone else has to green them. I'll probably start validating yours today. Hesperian 01:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Moondyne (talk) 01:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ta. Hesperian 02:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

you'll be sorry
I gave up preserving indentation using text-indent because you can't make that template work across page boundaries. Because paragraph indentation is a block level operation, closing the template implies the end of a paragraph. That means you'll get unwanted paragraph breaks when you transclude. Have a look at what you've done to History of West Australia/Chapter 1.

If you really want to preserve indentation, you can do it raw by wrapping paragrpahs in a and. For paragraphs that cross page boundaries, you put the  at the end of the first page into the noinclude footer (click on the [+] button); and a or just  into the noinclude header of the second page. Then, when you transclude, the bits that close the paragraph on one page and reopen it on the next are omitted, and the paragraph flows nicely.

Is it worth it?

Hesperian 04:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Which is why I stopped after doing /13. Point taken.  I was trying to find a fix but you beat me to it.  I'll let it go.  Moondyne (talk) 04:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Been there; done that; have the scars to prove it. Hesperian 04:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It does look better though doesn't it. Moondyne (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed; but is it worth it?. You do the work, and I'll validate it. ;-) Hesperian 05:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. Moondyne (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I try so hard not to get ahead of myself, but most of the time I just can't resist: Index:The Visit of Charles Fraser to the Swan River in 1827.djvu. Hesperian 01:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. The photo on /32 must be the convict hulk-yes?  A bit of poetic license perhaps.  Moondyne (talk) 01:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)    Moondyne (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha! Hesperian 02:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Diffs
When I look at a diff on a Page:, is there a way to temporarily hide the image? Moondyne (talk) 08:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Under "Misc" in your preferences.
 * Prefs|Misc has 2 options: Do not show page content below diffs and Omit diff after performing a rollback. Neither of these seems related to what I'm asking and changing them anyway doesn't help.  Moondyne (talk) 08:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, right, that's why I switched them off :P I want the same thing ... maybe suppress images in your browser settings. Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The diffs display here is horrible with the image shown. Ah well.  Moondyne (talk) 08:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Bloke

 * I uploaded a image for your consideration, Page:The songs of a sentimental bloke (1917).djvu/20 is cropped from File:Songs of a sentimental bloke, page 16.png. Let me know what you think, before I do the rest.Cygnis insignis (talk) 07:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks great.  Moondyne (talk) 08:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Which do you prefer? Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're asking me? The djvu is fine, IMO.  Except that you'd lose that UCAL watermark, meh. I certainly don't want you to do something I wouldn't be stuffed doing.  Moondyne (talk) 08:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)  Second thoughts, the png does look better.  Moondyne (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the question is: do you prefer the crop or the whole page? Great effort so far, btw
 * Crop. Moondyne (talk) 09:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

HE initials could be worked in, like at Celtic Fairy Tales, If you want them. Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that! Moondyne (talk) 09:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I am muddling my way through the formatting. Fell free to improve anywhere so I can learn! Moondyne (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't recommend that! I make it up as I go along, for an example of this and a demonstration of what others have done: A Spring Song. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice. Moondyne (talk) 12:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)  I'd have thought it'd be at The Songs of a Sentimental Bloke/A Spring Song. Books with chapters seems to be placed as a subpage. {confused}  Moondyne (talk) 12:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I knocked this up ... The Songs of a Sentimental Bloke Cygnis insignis (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I put the main illos in, there is the odd bit of border :/ I don't mind changing them, or giving the crop outside the border. Let me know if you want the initials Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the crop should be outside the border, a la File:Songs of a sentimental bloke, page 16 (crop).png. What intials?  Moondyne (talk) 03:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Text replacement and regex
There is a mini-tutorial there, and a link to a slightly broader tutorial. Important thing is for funny characters you need precede with a backslash, eg. for forward slash \/ ; for parantheses \( and \) ; pipe \|. Another quick and dirty useful is \n is equivalent to 'hard return'. Though a little weird, one only needs to do regex in the top section, and standard replacement text. If a replacement goes to pot, Ctrl-Z (undo) works a treat. I KNOW! -- billinghurst (talk) 14:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Will check it out.  Moondyne (talk) 09:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

gilberts
FYI: Search and read about "Gilbert" here and here. Hesperian 05:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I picked up on that the other day. Odd. Moondyne (talk) 06:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

sdelete
You should be able to request a deletion like that using sdelete. Used like and we will get it in passing. -- billinghurst (talk) 16:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I quickly loooked for something like that and couldn't see it. Thnaks.  Moondyne (talk) 23:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, I am the only CAT:SDD troll in this place—I check it twice a day on average, which makes it rather pointless and unrewarding for anyone else to bother with it. So sdelete probably won't be any quicker or more effective than dropping me a message. But by all means use it. Hesperian 05:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it was polite to notify the creator in this case, despite there being no conceivable reason to object to deletion. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Diary
I'm not sure how or when, but I seem to have wiped the Diary off my watchlist. Probably had a cleanout at some point. Anyhow, I only just now noticed that you've been validating it. Ta. Hesperian 13:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A bit here and there. The vocab is mind numbing stuff heh?.  Whenever I start to feel dizzy I just remind myself that some poor bastard actually proofread all this ;)  Moondyne (talk) 13:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The same poor bastard who just linked all the page numbers at Makers of British botany/Index. Some of us are suckers for punishment. Apropos of nothing, I just discovered Index:Journals of Several Expeditions Made in Western Australia.djvu; or rather, re-discovered, since the page histories show edits I have no memory of making. Thought you might be interested. Hesperian 14:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, interesting. Can Index: pages be categorised alongside books? Moondyne (talk) 02:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That can, yes; just stick a category in the page list field. Whether they should is a question I'm not really across. My gut feeling is that Index: pages are internal i.e. meta- pages, intended for the editor rather than the reader. Hesperian 02:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

HOWA
Sorry, I only just noticed you comment about pages 69 & 99. Can you email me your scan of 69 (in any format, but preferable lossless) and I'll fix the page? And I'll flip 99 while I'm at it. Hesperian 00:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * File:History of West Australia p69.png. Moondyne (talk) 01:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ta; I've uploaded a repaired version. Do you want me to delete that png (and the 99)? Hesperian 04:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea, tks. Moondyne (talk) 06:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Ha
Now at last you understand the pledge. Hesperian 13:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha. 'nuff said.  Moondyne (talk) 14:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

new text
I'm letting you something was added to the front page, you can just delete this note from this nice neat talk :-) Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks and no - I enjoy friends dropping in for a chat. Moondyne (talk) 08:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:Nop
I saw that you used this template&mdash;what's the point of it? --Spangineerwp (háblame) 18:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If I may interject: It does nothing—literally a NOP—but sometimes its mere presence helps to guide the renderer; e.g.  '''  makes the renderer treat those three consecutive apostrophes as an italics tag followed by an apostrophe; rather than a boldface tag. One of the most common uses is where a Page: page begins or ends with carriage returns that need to be preserved. Transclusion eliminates leading and trailing whitespace, but if you put a at the beginning/end of the page then the whitespace is no longer leading/trailing and won't be stripped at transclusion; this makes  a very lightweight replacement for blank line. Hesperian 22:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. For eg., I placed a nop at the end on Page:The Passenger Pigeon - Mershon.djvu/252.  When /252 and /253 are transcluded, the line break at the end of /252 is preserved.  Else it isn't.  Moondyne (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I've been using blankline for that purpose, but your way looks easier and just as good. --Spangineerwp (háblame) 00:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

So you rule?
I am going to tell Hesperian that you think that you can rule on his works. :-P billinghurst  sDrewth  07:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

To do a footnote
Easiest way is to stick a footnote as in the body of the work, then to put  with   and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

PSM V41 D310 J W Powell.jpg
File:PSM V41 D310 J W Powell.jpg Here is the link to the image.— Ineuw talk 06:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Moondyne (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Most welcome. I was quite surprised at the collection of images in commons:Category:John Wesley Powell In fact he appeared in PSM in three different volumes. Live and learn. :-)— Ineuw talk 18:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I clearly didn’t look too hard—I would have borrowed one of those... Moondyne (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is another better copy of the same image also from another PSM volume, you can use that. No one will complain, I certainly won't.— Ineuw talk 05:14, 31 March 2015 (UTC)