User talk:Jschroeder12

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Again, welcome! --Xover (talk) 07:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Copyright Act of Japan‎
Hi Jschroeder12,

In addition to the standard welcome message above, I wanted to drop a note explaining why I reverted your changes to Copyright Act of Japan‎.

Wikisource hosts transcriptions of previously published works, and, unlike projects like Wikipedia, original content is out of scope for the project. When there are multiple editions of the same work we usually host both editions at different pages. Laws are a little weird in that they often get amended piecemeal over time, but the principle is the same: each amendment conceptually creates a new "edition" of the published law and should be hosted at a separate page. In some cases we choose to update a law in place for mostly practical reasons (lots of little amendments leads to lots of editions with trivial changes that are not worth the effort for both editors and readers).

But whichever the case may be, the source given must reflect the actual text of the page. If we're to update the act to the latest translation then we must update the text hosted first, and then update the source to match the text that's there.

In any case, thanks for helping out—even if the changes ultimately had to be reverted—and I hope you stick around. Wikisource is a small project so we could use all the contributors we can get! :) --Xover (talk) 07:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Xover, thanks for your note. Based on your explanation, I can see why it is problematic to change the link to the latest translation of the most recent version of the law. However, the problem still stands that the two current sources links for "Copyright Act"--one at the top of the page, and one at the bottom--are linked to erroneous websites with translations of different laws (one is for the "Bank of Japan Act" and the other for "Act on Special Measures Concerning Taxation"). So something needs to be fixed. Either a link to the Ministry of Justice translation from 2009 needs to be restored, or the links should be removed (but having no source links at all is surely a problem). Jschroeder12 (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh. Good thing you're paying attention, because I completely missed that issue. Thanks! I've tracked down an archived version of the link given as the source for the text itself (the one at the bottom of the page) to replace the incorrect one. The other one (at the top) is just a citation for the description in the notes, so there I just replaced it with the correct version of the act on japaneselawtranslation.go.jp. I would be grateful if you could check that the new links actually make sense now; and thanks again for helping fix this! Cheers, --Xover (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making those changes. Both of the links are useful and relevant now. However, interestingly, they're slightly different--the top link is to a 2009 translation that lists 2006 as the most recent amendment. The bottom one is to an amended version from 2009 that was translated Dec 17, 2010. That contradicts what is written at the start of the Wikipedia entry ("Last amendment : Act No. 121 of 2006"). It would seem that only the top link is correct and reflective of the article's content. So perhaps the bottom link should be replaced with a repeat of the top link? Or it may be harmless to just leave it as is? Jschroeder12 (talk) 17:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The quandaries one ends up with when source links are not correctly provided at the time of upload… *sigh* Since the whole point of the exercise was to ensure the text and the given source were the same, the further discrepancy you pointed out was a bit problematic. And just changing it might mean pointing to a different edition of the text. In the end I had to upload a scan of the original text and match the text against that. Now the scanned document serves as the source for the text, and the link above only for the description.In any case, I'm pretty sure we've now eliminated all the sources for discrepancy. Thanks for checking and letting us know! And please don't be discouraged from fixing any other issues you spot as you tried to do here: such issues are not usually as involved to fix as this one was. --Xover (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)