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Again, welcome! John Vandenberg 05:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Are these new pages originally in English, or are you translating them? Please add a header at the top of every page you create pages. See FMS KL No 366/1917 From E L Brockman to Chung Thye Phin on Appointment to Federal Council -- John Vandenberg (chat) 10:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

These are not translations. I am copying from photocopies of letters. I am not sure if you will see this. I do not know how to communicate well on the Wiki

i am still struggling to learn how to use the wiki interface

how do i delete entries? i have just combined several entries into one and would like to delete the original individual entries. Jefferyseow 10:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No need to panic. You can take you time and we will assist whenever requested (however, it might take a while for someone to notice).
 * You can ask for pages to be deleted by writing here.
 * John Vandenberg (chat) 10:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You have asked for FMS KL No 3663/1917 From A Caldiecott to Chung Thye Phin on Appointment to Federal Council to be deleted saying it has been combined into a bundle of correspondence. Which page has it been bundled into ? John Vandenberg (chat) 10:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have put all the relevant correspondence together at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/K._L._F._M._S._Correspondence_Ref:_No_3663-1917 rather than split them up into individual letters.


 * These have different dates on them. We perfer to have different letters on different pages, and group them together on a page about the person, like Author:Chung Thye Phin. -- John Vandenberg (chat) 11:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh gosh. This is a muddle. Chung Thye Phin wasn;t the author. There were three authors. Edward Lewis Brockman, Sir Arthur Young and the Undersecretary to the Federated malay States government. Is there some kind of example I can look at?


 * An "Author" page is a list of works relating to the person; usually it is works by the person, but it doesnt need to be. See Author:Poe, or Author:Shakespeare, etc.  It is a page you can use to "collect" related documents together; you can present them however you like. John Vandenberg (chat) 13:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

London Gazette Latest Correspondence
Dear John.... I still don't have a clear answer for you... Here's the result of the correspondence... Basically he said I should look at something which I do not understand which was why I was writing to him in the first place... i.e. back to square one. Jeffery

From: Goodwin, Richard  Date: 2008/8/26 Subject: RE: FW: Gazettes General Query To: Jeffery Seow  Hello Mr Seow, 1979 is certainly within crown copyright period. I'm sure that you will have no difficulty getting a click use license. Please try www.opsi.gov.uk for details. Wiht best regards Richard Richard Goodwin Tel: +44 (0) 20 7394 4595 Mobile: +44 (0) 7725 499 170 Mobile2: +44 (0) 7903 233 986 Web: www.tso.co.uk TSO Information and Publishing Solutions Part of the Williams Lea Group www.williamslea.com Gazettes: www.gazettes-online.co.uk

From: Jeffery Seow  Date: 2008/8/23 Subject: Re: FW: Gazettes General Query To: "Goodwin, Richard" 

Dear Mr Goodwin

I've gone through the site and confess to still being baffled as to which part applies. I thought it might help if I showed you which notices I wanted to post.

I've included them some of them (four examples) here and hope for your direction.

Sincerely

Jeffery Seow

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1) London Gazette Issue 47682 published on the 7 November 1978. Page 30 of 80

Name of Company: SOUTHERN TRONOH TIN DREDGING LIMITED.

Nature of Business: TIN MINING. Address of Registered Office: 40 Holborn Viaduct, London, EC1P 1AJ, England, United Kingdom. Liquidator's Name and Address: Mohd. Ajib bin Haji Anuar, Wisma Bunga Raya, 152 Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur. Date of Appointment: 20th October 1978. By whom Appointed: Members. (241)

Name of Company: THE SUNGEI BESI MINES LIMITED.

Nature of Business: TIN MINING. Address of Registered Office: 40 Holborn Viaduct, London, EC1P 1AJ, England, United Kingdom. Liquidator's Name and Address: Mohd. Ajib bin Haji Anuar, Wisma Bunga Raya, 152 Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur. Date of Appointment: 20th October 1978. By whom Appointed: Members. (242)

Name of Company: AVER HITAM TIN DREDGING LIMITED.

Nature of Business: TIN MINING. Address of Registered Office: 40 Holborn Viaduct, London, EC IP 1AJ, England, United Kingdom. Liquidator's Name and Address: Mohd. Ajib bin Haji Anuar, Wisma Bunga Raya, 152 Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur. Date of Appointment: 20th October 1978. By whom Appointed: Members. (243) 2) London Gazette Issue 47759 published on the 1 February 1979. Page 47 of 112

TRONOH MINES LIMITED

At the Extraordinary General Meeting of the above-named Company, duly convened, and held at 152, Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur, 04-07, Malaysia, on 1st January 1979, the following Special Resolution was duly passed: " That the Company be wound up voluntarily, and that Chan Hon Keong and Encik Mohd. Ajib bin Hj. Anuar be and are hereby appointed Liquidators for the purpose of such winding-up with power to act jointly and each of them severally."

Dated 2nd January 1979.

Chan Hon Keong,

Mohd. Ajib bin Hj. Anuar,

Joint Liquidators. 3) London Gazette Issue 28673 published on the 20 December 1912. Page 17-20 of 124

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 16th day of December, 1912.

PRESENT,

The KING'S Most Excellent Majesty.

Lord President.

Lord Chamberlain.

Lord Strachie.

Sir Francis Hopwood.

Sir William Conyngham Greene.

WHEREAS by four several enactments, each shortly entitled "The Courts Enactment, 1905," enacted by Their Highnesses the Sultans and Chiefs of the Federated Malay States of Perak, Selangor, Negri Sembilan, and Pahang respectively in Council, it was, amongst other things, provided that an Appeal might be made to His Majesty in Council, subject to such rules and regulations as might from time to time be prescribed by Order of His Majesty in Council from any judgment or order in any civil matter of the Court of Appeal of the said Federated Malay States constituted by the said enactments as amended by four other enactments enacted as aforesaid, and each shortly entitled "The Courts Enactment, 1905, Amendment Enactment, 1909."

And whereas by the Federated Malay States Appeals Order in Council, 1906, rules' and regulations were made for Appeals from the said Court of Appeal to His Majesty in Council.

And whereas it is expedient, with a view to equalizing as far as may be the conditions under which Appeals shall be made to His Majesty in Council, and to promoting uniformity in the practice and procedure in all such Appeals that the Federated Malay States Appeals Order in Council, 1906, should be revoked, and further and other rules and regulations made for Appeals from the said Court of Appeal to His Majesty in Council.

Now therefore, it is hereby ordered by the King's Most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice of His Privy Council, as follows: —

1. This Order may be cited as the Federated Malay States Appeals Order in Council, 1912.

2. The Federated Malay States Appeals Order in Council, 1906, is hereby revoked, and the rules set out in the Schedule hereto are hereby substituted in lieu thereof.

3. This Order shall come into' effect on and from a day to be appointed, in that behalf by the High Commissioner of the Federated Malay States, which shall be notified by proclamation to be published in the Federated Malay States Gazette.

4. His Majesty in Council may at any time alter, add to or revoke this Order.

And the Right Honourable Lewis Harcourt, one of His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State, is to give the necessary directions herein accordingly.

Almeric FitzRoy.

SCHEDULE.

1. In these Rules, unless the context otherwise requires: —

"The Federated Malay States" means the Malay States of Perak, Selangor, Negri Sembilan, and Pahang;

" Appeal " means1 Appeal to His Majesty in Council;

"His Majesty" includes His Majesty's heirs and successors;

"Judgment" includes decree, order, or decision;

" Court" means either the Full Court or a single Judicial Commissioner of the Court of Appeal of the Federated Malay States according as the matter in question is one which, under the Rules and Practice of the said Court of Appeal, properly appertains to the Full Court or to a single Judicial Commissioner.

" Record " means the aggregate of papers relating to an Appeal (including the pleadings, proceedings, evidence and judgments) proper to be laid before His Majesty in Council on the hearing of the Appeal;

"Registrar" means the Registrar or other proper officer having the custody of the Records in the Court appealed from;

"Month" means calendar month;

Words in the singular include the plural and words in the plural include the singular.

2. Subject to the provisions of these Rules, an Appeal shall lie—

(a) as of right, from any final judgment of the Court, where the matter in dispute on the Appeal amounts to or is of the value of £500 sterling or upwards, or where the Appeal involves, directly or indirectly, some claim or question to or respecting property or some civil right amounting to or of the value of £500 sterling or upwards.; and

(b) at the discretion of the Court, from any other judgment of the Court, whether final or interlocutory, if, in the opinion of the Court, the question involved in the Appeal is one which, by reason of its great general or public importance or otherwise, ought to be submitted to His Majesty in Council for decision.

3. Where owing to the Court being equally divided in opinion the decision appealed against stands, such decision shall, for the purpose of an Appeal therefrom, be deemed to be a final judgment of the Court.

4. Applications to the Court for leave to appeal shall be made by motion or petition within 21 days from the date of the judgment to be appealed from, and the Applicant shall give the opposite party notice of his intended application.

5. Leave to appeal under Rule 2 shall only be granted by the Court in the first instance

(a) upon condition of the, Appellant within a period to be fixed by the Court, but not exceeding three months from the date of the hearing of the application for leave to appeal, entering into good and sufficient security, to the satisfaction of the Court, in a sum not exceeding £500 for the due prosecution of the Appeal, and the payment of all such costs as may become payable to the Respondent in the event of the Appellant not obtaining an order granting him final leave to appeal, or of the Appeal being dismissed for non-prosecution, or of His Majesty in Council ordering the Appellant to pay the Respondent's costs of the Appeal (as the case may be); and

(b) upon such other conditions (if any) as to the time or times within which the Appellant shall take the necessary steps for the purpose of procuring the preparation of the Record and the despatch thereof to England as the Court, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, may think it reasonable to impose.

6. Where the judgment appealed from requires the Appellant to pay money or perform a duty, the Court shall have power, when granting leave to appeal, either to direct that the said judgment shall be carried into execution or that the execution thereof shall be suspended pending the Appeal as to the Court shall seem just, and in case the Court shall direct the said judgment to be carried into execution, the person in whose favour it was given shall, before the execution thereof enter into good and sufficient security, to the satisfaction of the Court, for the due performance of such Order as His Majesty in Council shall think fit to make thereon.

7. The preparation of the Record shall be subject to the supervision of the Court, and the parties may submit any disputed question arising in connection therewith to the decision of the Court, and the Court shall give such directions thereon as the justice of the case may require.

8. The Registrar, as well as the parties and their legal Agents, shall endeavour to exclude from the Record all documents (more particularly such as are merely formal) that are not relevant to the subject-matter of the Appeal, and generally to reduce the bulk of the Record as far as practicable, taking special care to avoid the duplication of documents and the unnecessary repetition of headings and other merely formal parts of documents; but the documents omitted to be copied or printed shall be enumerated in a list to be placed after the index or at the end of the Record.

9. Where in the course of the preparation of a Record one party objects to the inclusion of a document on the ground that it is unnecessary or irrelevant, and the other party nevertheless insists upon its being included, the Record, as finally printed (whether in any of the Federated Malay States or in England), shall, with a view to the subsequent adjustment of the costs of and incidental to such document, indicate in the index of papers, or otherwise, the fact that, and the party by whom, the inclusion of the document was objected to.

10. The Record shall be printed in accordance with the Rules set forth in the Appendix hereto. It may be so printed either in any of the Federated Malay States or in England.

11. Where the Record is printed in any of the Federated Malay States the Registrar shall, at the expense of the Appellant, transmit to the Registrar of the Privy Council 40 copies of such Record, one of which copies he shall certify to be correct by signing his name on, or initialling, every eighth page thereof and by affixing thereto the seal of the Court.

12. Where the Record is to be printed in England, the Registrar shall, at the expense of the Appellant, transmit to the Registrar of the Privy Council one certified copy of such Record, together with an index of all the papers and exhibits in the case. No other certified copies of the Record shall be transmitted to the Agents in England by or on behalf of the parties to the Appeal.

13. Where part of the Record is printed in any of the Federated Malay States and part is to be printed in England, Rules 11 and 12 shall, as far as practicable, apply to such parts as are printed in any of the Federated Malay States and such as are to be printed in England respectively.

14. The reasons given by the Judicial Commissioner, or any of the Judicial Commissioners, for or against any judgment pronounced in the course of the proceedings out of which the Appeal arises shall by such Judicial Commissioner or Judicial Commissioners be communicated in writing to the Registrar, and shall by him be transmitted to the Registrar of the Privy Council at the same time when the Record is transmitted.

15. Where there are two or more applications for leave to appeal arising out of the same matter, and the Court is of opinion that it would be for the convenience of the Lords of the Judicial Committee and all parties concerned that the Appeals shall be consolidated, the Court may direct the Appeals to be consolidated and grant leave to appeal by a single order.

16. An Appellant who has obtained an order granting him conditional leave to appeal may at any time prior to the making of an order granting him final leave to appeal withdraw his Appeal on such terms as to costs and otherwise as the Court may direct.

17. Where an Appellant, having obtained an order granting him conditional leave to appeal,- and having complied with the conditions imposed on him by such order fails thereafter to apply with due diligence to the Court for an order granting him final leave to appeal, the Court may, on an application in that behalf made by the Respondent, rescind the order granting conditional leave to appeal, notwithstanding the Appellant's compliance with the conditions imposed by such Order, and may give such directions as to the costs of the Appeal and the security entered into by the' Appellant as the Court shall think fit, or make such further or other order in the premises as, in the opinion of the Court, the justice of the case requires.

18. On an application for final leave to appeal, the Court may inquire whether notice, or sufficient notice, of the application has been given by the Appellant to all parties concerned, and, if not satisfied as to the notices given, may defer the granting of the final leave to appeal, or may give such other directions in the matter as, in the opinion of the Court, the justice of the case requires.

19. An Appellant who has obtained final .leave to appeal shall prosecute his Appeal in accordance with the Rules for the time being regulating the general practice and procedure in Appeals to His Majesty in Council.

20. Where an Appellant, having obtained final leave to appeal, desires, prior to the despatch pf the Record to England, to withdraw his Appeal, the Court may, upon an application in that behalf made by the Appellant, grant him a certificate to the effect that the Appeal has been withdrawn, and the Appeal shall thereupon be deemed, as from the date of such certificate, to stand dismissed without express Order of His Majesty in Council, and the costs of the Appeal and the security entered into by the Appellant shall be dealt with in such manner as the Court may think fit to direct.

21. Where an Appellant, having obtained final leave to appeal, fails to show due diligence in taking all necessary steps for the purpose of procuring the despatch of the Record to England, the Respondent may, after giving the Appellant due notice of his intended application, apply to the Court for a certificate that the Appeal has not been effectually prosecuted by the Appellant, and if the Court sees fit to grant such a certificate, the Appeal shall be deemed, as from the date of such certificate, to stand dismissed for non-prosecution without express Order of His Majesty in Council, and the costs of the Appeal and the security entered into by the Appellant shall be dealt with in such manner as the Court may think fit to direct.

22. Where at any time between the order granting final leave to appeal and the despatch of the Record to England the Record becomes defective by reason of the death, or change of status, of a party to the Appeal, the Court may, notwithstanding the order granting final leave to appeal, on an application in that behalf made by any person interested, grant a certificate showing who, in the opinion of the Court, is the proper person to be substituted or entered on the Record in place of, or in addition to, the party who has died, or undergone a change of status, and the name of such, person shall thereupon be deemed to be so substituted or entered on the Record as aforesaid without express Order of His Majesty in Council.

23. Where the Record subsequently to its despatch to England becomes defective by reason of the death, or change of status of a party to the Appeal, the Court shall, upon an application in that behalf made by any person interested, cause a certificate to be transmitted to the Registrar of tho Privy Council, showing who, in the opinion of the Court, is the proper person to be substituted, or entered, on the Record, in place of; or in addition to, the party who has died or undergone a change of status.

24. The Case of each party to the Appeal may be printed either in any of the Federated Malay States or in England, and shall, in either event, be printed in accordance with the Rules set forth in the Appendix Hereto, every tenth line thereof being numbered in. the margin, and shall be signed by at least one of the Counsel who attends at the hearing of the Appeal, or by the party himself if he conducts his Appeal in person.

25. The Case shall consist of paragraphs numbered consecutively, and shall state, as concisely as possible, the circumstances out of which the Appeal arises, the contentions to be urged by the party lodging the same, and the reasons of appeal. References by page and line to the relevant portions of the Record as. printed shall, as far as practicable, be printed in the margin, and care shall be taken to avoid, as far as possible, the re-printing in the Case of long extracts from the Record. The taxing officer, in taxing the costs of the Appeal, shall, either of his own motion, or at the instance of the opposite party, inquire into any unnecessary prolixity in the Case, and shall disallow the costs occasioned thereby.

26. Where the Judicial Committee directs a party to bear the costs of an Appeal incurred in any of the Federated Malay States, such costs shall be taxed by the proper, officer of the Court, in accordance with the rules for the time being regulating taxation in the Court.

27. The Court shall conform with, and execute, any Order, which His Majesty in Council may think fit to make on an Appeal from a judgment of the Court in like manner as any original judgment of the Court should or might have been executed.

28. Nothing in these Rules contained shall be deemed to interfere with the right of His Majesty, upon the humble Petition of any person aggrieved by any judgment of the Court, to admit his Appeal therefrom upon such conditions as His Majesty in Council shall think fit to impose.

APPENDIX.

I. Records and Cases in Appeals to His Majesty in Council shall be printed in the form known as Demy Quarto.

II. The size of the paper used shall be such that the sheet, when folded and trimmed, will be 11 inches in height and 8£. inches in width.

III. The type to be used in the text shall be Pica type, but Long Primer shall be used in printing accounts, tabular matter, and notes.

IV. The number of lines in each page of Pica type shall be 47 or thereabouts, and every tenth line shall be numbered in the margin.

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 16th' day of December, 1912. -

PRESENT,

The KING's Most Excellent Majesty in Council. 4) Gazette Issue 24298 published on the 23 February 1876. 14 Pages.

THE SERVICES OP THE ROYAL NAVAL BRIGADE IN THE MALAY PENINSULA.

"Audacious," at Singapore, January 17, 1876.

SIR,

THE letters from Commander Francis Stirling, of Her Majesty's ship "Thistle," which I transmitted for the information of the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, in my letters No. 406 of 25th November last, and No. 425 of 8th December, 1875, will have informed their Lordships of the state of affairs in the Malay Peninsula and the services rendered by the Navnl Forces taking part in the operations up to the 16th November, 1875.

2. Captain Alexander Buller, in Her Majesty's ship "Modeste," having arrived on the scene shortly after that date, assumed the direction of the naval operations, and his letters, dated the 19th and 29th December, 1875, which he informs me he sent direct to their Lordships, will have carried up the account to the latter date.

3. I have now the honour to transmit for the information of their Lordships, a copy of a general. letter from Captain Buller, dated the 8th January, 1876, summarizing the services of the Naval Brigades and the ships under his orders, and reporting the re-embarkation of- the brigades.

4. At the same time, I transmit to be laid before their Lordships reports of proceedings from Commander Edmund St. J. Garforth, of the "Philomel," dated 13th. December, 1875, and 5th January, 1876, showing the services performed by the Naval Brigade under his command attached to the Laroot Field Force, and employed up the river of that name, and also reports of proceedings from Commander Francis Stirling, of Her Majesty's ship "Thistle," dated ihe 21st December, 1875, and 7th January, 1876, showing the services performed by a third Naval Brigade under his command, which penetrated in Sunghie ujong, and was employed on the Linghie and Lukut rivers.

I should mention here that on Captain Buller's arrival in the Perak River the Naval Brigade, which had been landed under Commander Stirling, was re-embarked, and the ship was sent down to carry troops to Malacca, on account of disturbances in Sunghie Ujong.

5. There were thus three Naval Brigades attached to different forces : That under Captain Alexander Buller, accompanied by Commander Uvedale C. Singleton, of the " Ringdove," and comprising officers and men of the "Modeste" and " Ringdove," which co-operated with Major-General Colborne on the Perak River; that under Commander Edmund St. J. Garforth, of the " Philomel," comprising officers and men of the "Modeste," "Philomel," and "Ringdove," which co-operated with Brigadier-General Ross in the Laroot Field Force (northern attack); and that under Commander Francis Stirling, of Her Majesty's ship " Thistle," which co-operated with Lieutenant-Colonel Hill in Sunghie Ujong, and in the Sunghie and Lakut Rivers.

6. In addition to this, a blockade of the coast north of the Perak River, to prevent the ingress of arms and provisions, was established under the direction of Commander John Bruce, of Her Majesty's ship " Fly."

7. The services of the various Naval Brigades appear to have been highly appreciated by Major-General Colborne, Brigadier-General Ross, and the Colonels commanding the various corps to which the Brigades were attached. The naval officers and men were fortunate in being employed on expeditions calculated to call fully into play their sailorlike qualities.

8. The heavy work, per formed by our seamen in the Perak consisted in poling (cars were no use) numerous boats laden with guns, ammunition, and stores for many consecutive days against a strong current (4 knots), the river being very shallow, but full of deep holes, under a broiling sun (latitude 3° N.), and in carrying guns, rockets, and ammunition, in addition to their own accoutrements through the jungle over roads so nearly impassable, that only 7 miles "could be gained each day.

9. The rapidity of the successes of the various expeditions was owing1,1 learn from officers of rank who have reached Singapore from the front, mainly to the special and professional nature of the aid given by the Naval Brigades as rocket and gun parties, and in fitting and managing the country boats, which alone could be used.

10. It has been most gratifying to me to hear from all quarters only one opinion of the conduct of the Blue Jackets and Marines, their constant cheerfulness in undertaking the heavy daily work which fell to their share, their intelligence and zeal. I have not received a single complaint of their conduct.

11. For nearly a month the brigade under Captain Buller had nothing to eat but preserved meat, supplemented occasionally by wild buffalo—no vegetables or bread; the men were constantly wet through by rain, they had frequently to wade through water and mud over their waists. For the last three days of their advance on Kinta they had to thread their way in a thick jungle, which, during the whole of that time, allowed them no sight of the sky. During the ten days' advance they had no cover of any kind, but slept in the "open." Captain Buller attributes their entire immunity from any disease previous to the attack on Kinta to his having fortunately been able to provide them with waterproof sheets, the great importance of which in a tropical campaign I had pressed on his attention previous to his departure from Shanghai some months ago.

12. I am very glad that I was able to detach so strong a force to the south, as there was not a man too many for the work that had to be carried out by the Naval Brigade.

13. It is my pleasant duty to draw their Lordships' attention to the names of those officers who were fortunately placed in positions where their good qualities were brought prominently into notice. Captain Buller mentions with praise the Commanders, and they have specially named various officers who accompanied them. I alone can speak of Captain Buller. He has been throughout the service of several weeks with Major-General Colborne. They have co-operated in the most cordial manner. Captain Buller, while engaged with the expedition that penetrated furthest into the country, had to make such arrangements regarding the other brigades, the blockade of the coast, &c., as were best calculated to be conducive to the general success of the joint operations.

14. I cannot too strongly recommend Captain Buller to their Lordships' favourable consideration. By his forethought and skill in organization he has contributed largely to the successes of the various expeditions, which successes it was, for obvious reasons, most essential should be promptly attained at all points without check.

15. Commander Stirling's complete success at Passir Sala, as detailed 'in his letter of 16th November, 1875, forwarded to their Lordships in my letter, No. 425, of 8 December, 1875, pointed out what was the best method of attacking the enemy, which, when followed, always led to success without loss.

The expedition of 14 days to Sunghie Ujong, in co-operation with Lieutenant-Colonel Hill, had the same obstacles to contend with as the expedition to Kinta, with one exception, viz., that the enemy always fled in good time to save themselves from what they most dreaded - the rockets.

16. The two Senior Lieutenants employed in Brigades were Lieutenants Henry T. Wright, First Lieutenant of the " Modesto " (3rd April, 1868), and Wentworth V. Bayly, of the "Ringdove" (12th October, 1869), both highly spoken of by Captain Buller.

17. Sub-Lieutenant Thomas F. Abbott, of the "Thistle" (28th July, 1873), "was at both attacks on Passir Sala" (whose name is already before their Lordships), and is spoken of by the Governor "in the highest terms" Captain Buller informs me.

18. The two Senior Sub-Lieutenants in the Brigades were Richard Poore ("Philomel"), seniority 15th April, 1873, and Walter T. Warren ("Modeste"), seniority 20th June, 1873, both well spoken of.

19. Ex-Sultan Ismail and Maharajah Lela have escaped, it is believed, into Siamese territory, but they have been followed by a large number of Malays with no friendly intentions towards them.

20. I regret that I shall not have the opportunity of seeing Major-General Colborne, of congratulating him on the success of his operations, and of thanking him for the terms in which he has spoken of the Naval Brigades, as he remains at Penang. The prompt appearance of the troops from India, the thorough way in which they went to work, and followed the Malays through the jungle from village to village, stockade to stockade, never giving them time to occupy the latter in force, has, no doubt, had the best effect among the surrounding tribes.

I have, &c.,

(Signed) ALFRED P. RYDER, Vice-Admiral, Commander-in-Chief.

From: Goodwin, Richard  Date: 2008/8/22 Subject: FW: Gazettes General Query To: jeffery.seow@gmail.com

Dear Mr Seow, Gazettes notices are covered by the terms of Crown Copyright. A free Click Use license can be obtaind through www.opsi.gov.uk. I hope that this helps. With best regards

Richard Goodwin Tel: +44 (0) 20 7394 4595 Mobile: +44 (0) 7725 499 170 Mobile2: +44 (0) 7903 233 986 Web: www.tso.co.uk

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London Gazette Notices
I have "tagged" London Gazette Notice "The Courts Enactment, 1905," by the Sultans and Chiefs of the Federated Malay States of Perak, Selangor, Negri Sembilan and Pahang with PD-1923, as that provides a legal basis for the text being free of copyright in the U.S., and thus can be legally archived onto Wikisource.

I have tagged all of the modern items, such as London Gazette Notices Re Foo Choo Choon Mining Companies, with no license. Before you add more post-1923 notices like this, we need a legal basis for them being retained on Wikisource. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Which of these categories do you think these London Gazette Notices fall into?

We have a tag UK-Crown-waiver which may be suitable, however that was primarily designed for legislation, and is a duplicate of Legislation-UKGov.

In the past we have decided that the UK crown waiver is incompatible with free content. Specifically, UK law has been deleted from Wikisource because there are the restrictions on it, e.g. requiring that it be accurately reproduced. (See Scriptorium/Archives/2006-12) The Wikisource acceptance of Crown copyright for UK laws has been recently overturned because the Federal US stance is that law can not be copyright, even foreign law. (See Proposed_deletions/Archives/2008-05)

So, if these notices are covered by the waiver, we have an uphill battle to establish on Wikisource a broader acceptance of the waiver being suitable for UK crown works other than legislation. A site wide discussion will be required; before tackling that, we need to be sure that these notices are covered by the waiver. Then we have a tangible set of pages to put to the community as suitable cause for us to indulge in a "big copyright discussion". John Vandenberg (chat) 12:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The following categories of material are covered by the waiver:
 * 1) Primary and secondary legislation
 * 2) Explanatory Notes to legislation
 * 3) Government press notices
 * 4) Published papers of a scientific, technical or medical nature
 * 5) Unpublished public records
 * 6) Government forms
 * 7) Government consultative documents
 * 8) Government documents featured on official departmental websites except where expressly indicated on the website in question
 * 9) Headline statistics
 * 10) Text of ministerial speeches and articles
 * 11) Typographical arrangement

Which of those categories do you think London Gazette falls under? John Vandenberg (chat) 07:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It sounds like they are asserting Crown Copyright where it still applies. As a result we would need to obtain a license in order to reproduce it, and there are other terms involved.  I looked into it briefly last year and the terms were not onerous, but they do not fit within "free content".  I think the email response you received is a "concede nothing" email, and probably incorrect as some notices will fall under this or this.  We will need to research this more.  We have a number of US lawyers who specialise in copyright law, but I dont know any UK lawyers.  While we do this, any work that has been published over 50 years ago is going to be either OK, or a good copyright investigation case. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)