User talk:Inductiveload/Archives/2023

Two Scans for Jan 2o23 MC
Since I'm still IP banned from Commons, can you upload these two? I'll probably pester you for help with the new PD material sometime in January, but I'll try to make a spreadsheet for that if I'm allowed to post on the bugtracker. Languageseeker (talk) 17:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * @Languageseeker that's depressing, but I guess not surprising that no-one has replied to you for that long :-( Maybe email the stewards (stewards@wikimedia.org; which you probably will have to do if you're using a VPN or something). You should at least be allowed to use Phab as they use completely different systems. Hope it's going OK wherever you are!
 * Spreadsheets indeed always preferred. I expect I'll be busy in Jan, but I'll try my best. You can also email me (Special:EmailUser/Inductiveload), but again that might take a while to deal with.
 * Remember you can always upload locally and ask someone to move it over. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 17:35, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * For the books: Index:Notes Upon The Owners Of The Sancy Diamond.djvu existed already (thought it felt familiar - it was my upload!) and also Index:Hesiod, and Theognis.djvu. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 17:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy New Years! May it bring you health, prosperity, and less work!
 * And Thank You!Languageseeker (talk) 15:17, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Christie, The Big Four
Do you think you can sneak out either or ? The second one is supposed to be a facsimile of the original 1927 printing. Languageseeker (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Filtering lint by page quality -
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&dir=prev&exactmatch=&namespace=104&titlecategorysearch=A+Compendium+of+Irish+Biography.djvu

Is there a script whereby I could see which pages were 'yellow' or 'green' only, So that I can focus my efforts on validated pages that are unlikely to be looked at again soon? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @ShakespeareFan00 there is -ql filter in pywikibot pagegenerators. Mpaa (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Fail at IAupload >> "local-swift-codfw"
I was trying to create the large "file:Dictionary of National Biography, Third Supplement.djvu" and it got all the way to the end and failed in what looks like a cookie issue fail

Not sure whether you can resurrect this or not. Would appreciate if you could do something. Thanks.
 * I manually uploaded a DjVu of it at File:Dictionary of National Biography, Third Supplement.djvu (feel free to overwrite or delete if you need to). Not sure what that failure was: from the error it looks mostly like a transient error down in the Swift storage engine in the Dallas datacenter, but that seems a bit random. The ZIP of the raw scans had two dud images (corrupt files) that I just replaced with blank pages (it's the only two blanks in the front matter, and I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be blank even if DLI nuked all other blank pages from the scan). --Xover (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

mw.ext.proofreadPage access to index from ns0
I don't suppose mw:Extension:Proofread Page/Lua reference has an undocumented function to get a title object for the associated Index: file when invoked on a mainspace page? Alternately, is it something that's of reasonable complexity to add?Interface-wise, I'm thinking any page with PRP active conceivably has an mw.ext.proofreadPage.associatedIndex, that'll be a self-ref on the Index: page and a title object for the Index: in all other namespaces (main, Page:, Translation:). Semantically it's looser than the Source link: it is an "associated" Index: that may be the transclusion source, but may also be something else that's relevant in some way. And it'd also make sense to return a list if multiple indexes are transcluded on the same page (or always, actually, for consistency), to avoid having to worry about what the Index: is in those cases.Context is looking up an author's initials for the DNB, when the initials are not unique across volumes. So getting the correct author for a given set of initials you need to also know what volume you're in, and to avoid making the user pass that in manually the sanest approach seems to be to trigger off the (known, regular) filename. And because the code needs to work both in ns:0 and in Page:, the obvious page name to use is the Index:'s name.User_talk:Xover#With next set of DNB, the footer templates ... is the inciting discussion if you're interested. Xover (talk) 09:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Ppoem formatting advice..
PPoem was NOT designed to do this:- Page:The_Fauna_of_British_India,_including_Ceylon_and_Burma_(Birds_Vol_1).djvu/174

So I was wondering if you had some suggestions? My thought is that it's effectively a table.

Alternatively would it be possible to tweak the the poem based code into something for generating key-lists like this? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @ShakespeareFan00: That looks like a table with a whole lot of gap for indentation to me. Definitely not something ppoem should be used for! Two columns, and set on the cells in the left column. The nesting is too deep to sensibly use padding (e.g.,  , etc.) for the indentation, otherwise that would have been a better option (fixing the hanging indent, which will otherwise be imperfect when using gap). Hmm, actually, the deepest indentation here is just 9 levels so making pl1–pl9 is an option, if a slightly hacky one. It just isn't suitable for arbitrarily deep indentation. Xover (talk) 14:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Page scans
When I need to examine very small details I click on the scan and it gets larger which is great. However, recently it does not go back to the normal size no matter what I do. I am sending a link to the page but it happens on all of the scans. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Discovery_and_Decipherment_of_the_Trilingual_Cuneiform_Inscriptions.djvu/220

The following is me trying to get help:

When i zoom in on scan it gets larger and usually returns to normal. For some reason it does not return to normal. Even when I restart Wikisource. Daytrivia (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Daytrivia: Press the button above the page with the magnifying glass and the 0 inside; that returns the image to the original size. For some reason, the zoom now remains across pages; this issue has not yet been fixed (or maybe even reported?). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

This is not a "bug", but a "feature". It was mentioned in last week's Tech News. Basically, the assumption (by whom I don't know) is that if you need to change the zoom on one page for an Index: you'll need that zoom level for all pages associated with that Index. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Inductiveload, apparently, led the change. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I do not see a magnifying glass and the 0 inside. When I use Microsoft Edge I don't have the problem but doesn't work any more with Chrome.Daytrivia (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC) Not working in Microsoft Edge now. This very discouraging. What is going on?Daytrivia (talk) Daytrivia (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Smart Set duplication?
I see Index:The Smart Set (Volume 71).djvu but also Index:The Smart Set (Volume 71, Number 3).djvu (1–4), also files. Are these duplicates or are they different series? I haven’t checked for other duplication of volumes vs. issues, but I don’t know how closely involved you were in this import. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 04:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @TE(æ)A,ea. honestly, I can't remember. I feel like one may have been as a better quality version of the SIM one, which is a bit "microfilmy". But IIRC this was a requested upload and I mostly just pressed the buttons. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
The new ProofreadPage features are awesome and beyond. I want to thank you and the team, but I lost the talk page link to post, so please pass on my thanks for restoring my ability to proofread as I was used to. Thanks again.

Do you ever get that chance to sleep? &#32;— ineuw (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ineuw while I'm glad something has been fixed for you, I didn't do anything! Credit where creit is due, I assume it was Tpt, Soda or Sam! Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

easy distinguishing of auto vs. manual categorisation?
Is there a system methodology to tell whether a category has been added manually or via WD? Looking to do some cleaning up and wasn't wanting to use brute force if it was unnecessary. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:07, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Billinghurst, not sure, I don't think so as it just ends up writing literally  but with Lua instead of templatery. Sorry! Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW I have managed a way to lightly brute force the tidy up, find with Petscan which allows me to then pump in the missing data with an aligned tool. Then use Cat-a-Lot to remove the local categorisation. What I cannot do is identify which beasties I have done. What I also haven't been able to figure out whether I have tidied up, though I suppose it doesn't matter. (those of us who do hospital corners! ) Soon I will also work out a way to tag the pages that are autoconnected, with the irony that it will probably be grunt work. — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Left-unfloated prefix with indented text
See the gap on Page:Shakespearean Tragedy (1912).djvu/103. Edge case that might be worth keeping in mind for some future revision of ppoem (if nothing else it might be worthwhile documenting that there's no fancy way to do this particular thing). Xover (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Xover howdy and jolly good! Will keep it in mind for future! A note in the documentation may be useful to indicate this is, if not best, at least some kind of practice! ^_^ Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

InductiveBot and Module:Monthly Challenge category stats/data/2023-04
Your bot has stopped updated the MC statistics (since April 6). Could you fix it? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 01:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @TE(æ)A,ea. thanks for the report. I have fixed it. It appears to have been some kind of database configuration update on Toolforge that tripped it up. Sorry it took me so long to see it! Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Great Expectations missing pages
Page:Great expectations (1861 Volume 1).pdf/184

Page:Great expectations (1861 Volume 1).pdf/185

Added the text corresponding to missing pages from another publication on Google Books. Page listings do not correspond. Stamlou (talk) 19:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Stamlou While that does seem true, I'm not sure what the question is? If it's a scan repair, I suggest WS:LAB as I don't have the ability to deal with this right now. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 00:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. Stamlou (talk) 17:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Loeb Classical Library and its subpages, why?
Hi. Why do we have a book series sitting at a work level? I was looking at Loeb Classical Library and thinking that it belongs in the portal namespace, and the work Loeb Classical Library/L001 as a root level work called The Argonautica with the series as a portal link. What evidence do we that the reference "L001" is regularly used a a book title? Not the sort of thing that we would string them together, and we don't with any other series of discrete works. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * And if you agree t=with this conceptually, then I am happy to to do the conversion. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it just seemed like a good idea at the time way back when I was young and dumb. Excessive attachment to the idea of a strict order to the universe (trying to use Wikidata burned that concept right out of my brain!) and/or not appreciating the ideal balance point of work vs sub-work and also maybe not appreciating that the darn series isn't even complete. Please feel free to have at it (not that you need permission, as such, but you're right and I'll be grateful :-D). Inductiveload— talk/contribs 20:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Tell bot to behave
I reverted your bot for the second time on its edit on Index:A Compendium of Irish Biography.djvu‎‎ as I do not consider that work is useful for the monthly challenge. A revert should be sufficient to stop a work being added, or it should only try to add a work once. I would prefer to not have to block the work, nor dig around looking for instructions. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  03:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It did the action for a third time, so I have blocked the bot for a day. — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Billinghurst this seems like a bit of an over-reaction. Firstly, the work is, whether you like it or not, in the Monthly Challenge. . That is the single point of truth for its inclusion in the MC, the Category merely represents that. Thus, I claim that until you remove the work from the MC (probably discussion at Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/Nominations), it is correct for that Index to be in that category, and your feelings don't come into it. Second, it should have been pretty obvious to an experienced user that the bot is replicating something to maintain consistency and didn't notice you reverting it, and thus getting into an edit war with it was only going to go one way and just gives you an excuse to blow your top and block it. I think maybe you might have been able to live with the presence in the category for longer than 4 hours and give me longer than 1 hour at 3am to notice your message? Was it such a crisis for you?
 * Regardless, I maintain that that actions of the bot are justified, and representing the current state of the MC is reasonable to do. I will, of course, take this to WS:AN as it pertains to administrative actions and operation of a bot. Meanwhile the bot will not perform further categorisation in the MC at all. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 18:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Your bot adds something; has no information that it is doing the task, nor indicates a means to resolve it. I blocked it for one day, and none of the tasks listed on its operational page are either urgent or critical. Plus you also have all the means to resolve and to unblock. No user should be needing to go through huge hoops to know what a bot is doing, those hoops are the task of the operator. Thanks for the pointer to the data list, I have removed the work, I have kept my head out of monthly challenge and its operations, and wish to continue to do so. Those involved should be doing the work about sense-making and usage, not those on the outside. — billinghurst  sDrewth  21:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The monthly Challenge is probably the single most carefully carefully documented project at Wikisource, though it concede it's not always perfect, and I will (already have) add a link on the bot page; as you say, it should have one. If you wish to claim ownership of the Index and prevent others touching it, by the way, I suggest you remove it also from Proofread of the Month/suggested works, where you personally put it 13 years ago. I imagine this is where someone quite reasonably concluded that you wished others to help. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 21:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What polite communication sounds like, by the way, after the first instance of the re-adding: "Hello! I notice your bot added a Monthly Challenge category to an Index I have an interest in, and hasn't noticed my manually removing it. I was trying to remove the work from the Challenge entirely, as don't think this work is suitable. Could you please remove it, as simply removing the category is evidently not the way to do it?"
 * Inductiveload— talk/contribs 21:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Inductiveload/maintain
Hi, I was trying to import this script over on Simple English Wikipedia to help with some de-linting efforts. I can't seem to get it to function. I wasn't expecting it to work first time, given the script is somewhat Wikisource centric. It would however be nice to use the regex search and replace on another project. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @ShakespeareFan00 I'm afraid without any details other than "it's not working for me", I can't do a lot to help. I'm also afraid that I'm not really in a position to make any promises about working on other wikis or, indeed, make any maintenance promises at all on an explicitly alpha-grade tool.
 * That said, it looks like the issue is that Mediawiki:Gadget-utils-difference.js is needed, which is an imported chunk of the enWP popup tool that's intended to be shared with other tools. I'm not sure you can make cross-wiki dependencies with ResourceLoader, so you may need to copy that file to Simple WP (you'll need an interface admin). Inductiveload— talk/contribs 16:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at the code of the User:Inductiveload/maintain/load.js I have a suspicion, that when I trey to use it cross-wiki, it's trying to load the main part of the script (and dependencies) directly from Simple, where it of course doesn't exist.)  Looks like I'll have to take a local copy of the script(s) or as you say ask an interface admin on Simple. Thanks for the fast turn-around.
 * ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Local The Strand
Hey. Why are these local?


 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_4).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_21).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_22)_(page_132_crop).jpg	Languageseeker
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_22)_(page_133_crop).jpg	Languageseeker
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_22)_(page_135_crop).jpg	Languageseeker
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_22)_(page_137_crop).jpg	Languageseeker
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_22)_(page_140_crop).jpg	Languageseeker
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_23).djvu	InductiveBot
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_24).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_25).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_26).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_27).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_28).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_29).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_3).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_30).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_31).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_32).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_33).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_34).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_35).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_36).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_37).djvu	Inductiveload
 * File:The_Strand_Magazine_(Volume_38).djvu	Inductiveload

They're showing up as missing (machine-readable) license is all. Xover (talk) 06:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Xover this is very strange, I feel sure these would have had a description. For example, the automatic summary on File:The Strand Magazine (Volume 23).djvu is, which indicates they were uploaded with text, but there's no sign of such text in the history. Have some revisions been stomped in the DB somehow? The reason for the local upload is that as non-US periodicals without an exhaustive search of author death dates, the non-US copyright status is uncertain. Though actually up to v23 are now OK, as they've passed the 120 year cutoff (c.f. PD-old-collective). And I can't really account for v4. It was either a mistake, or it somehow made some kind sense at the time. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 16:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * And you don't have the original description pages sitting around I suppose? Xover (talk) 09:09, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Big files upload issues on WS
Hi, I am trying to upload files to Category:Land&Liberty. As you can see, many fail to upload due to time out (all those bigger than 350 MB). Now my personal connection may be too slow, so I am setting up an account on Toolforge. Still I can't figure out how to upload the files once they are copied on TF. Or any other idea? Yann (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yann: Are you using Rillke's BigChunkedUpload?PS. Commons / uploads seems to be flaky today in general. It may not be your internet connection that's messing things up. Xover (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem comes from time out. So hopefully, if the files upload faster, there would be less problem. Yann (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Need your input on a policy impacting gadgets and UserJS
Dear interface administrator,

This is Samuel from the Security team and I hope my message finds you well.

There is an ongoing discussion on a proposed policy governing the use of external resources in gadgets and UserJS. The proposed Third-party resources policy aims at making the UserJS and Gadgets landscape a bit safer by encouraging best practices around external resources. After an initial non-public conversation with a small number of interface admins and staff, we've launched a much larger, public consultation to get a wider pool of feedback for improving the policy proposal. Based on the ideas received so far, the proposed policy now includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, best practices for gadgets and UserJS developers, and exemptions requirements such as code transparency and inspectability.

As an interface administrator, your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on the policy talk page.

Have a great day! Samuel (WMF), on behalf of the Foundation's Security team 23:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Warn about admin edits, User:Inductiveload/ActivePageAlert
Would it be possible to have a config setting to warn about edits from admins? Namely:- (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=sysop&creationSort=1&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50)

I'd also like to use a config from this script to exclude LintErrors in pages that admins have contributed to, as it is reasonable to consider that administrators will know what they are doing ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The relevant other user script being - (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/pages.js), which I'm currently using to exclude certain Page: status from results as needed.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Jump to file can't see an IA link inside IAl template.
I had to had the untemplated link for the script to grab hi-res:- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._01.djvu

Would it be possible for the script to be updated to look for the IA link template, and generate the relevant URL from that? There are a number of files on Commons that do not have raw links. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Jump to file cannot cope with sub-files..
Index:Pentagon-Papers-Part V. B. 2. a.djvu It takes the first part of the identifier and links to the first file in the list at IA (the index), rather than a specfic file, DESPITE the full path being given in the link at Commons. Suggestions? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Help with Pathoschild
Hi, I came across some information on @Mpaa's user page (User:Mpaa) about your code and I decided to give it a go. I have previously managed to incorporate other stuff in my User:Chrisguise/global.js and so, per the information I have pasted in the loader instruction (mw.loader.load('//tools-static.wmflabs.org/meta/scripts/pathoschild.templatescript.js');). I then created a subpage (User:Chrisguise/Regexp toolbar.js) and cut and pasted the Pathoschild code into it. However, nothing seems to have happened. I've done Ctrl-F5, restarted my browser (Firefox) and I've looked in all the places I can think of where new options might have appeared but have found nothing. Have I done something wrong? How is this 'capability' supposed to manifest itself?

Any help gratefully received. Thanks, Chrisguise (talk) 08:29, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Just had a thought: should the sub-page be Chrisguise/global/Regexp toolbar.js ?

About Help:Page styles
I stumbled on Help:Page styles and realised that it isn't linked anywhere in the Help namespace. Where were you planning to put it? Arcorann (talk) 12:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)