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Missing text
The text layer at Page:History of West Australia.djvu/322 seems to have come from /324, and /322's text is missing. Is this something I did when creating the page, and is it easily recoverable? Moondyne (talk) 04:28, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is only those two pages, then the easiest solution is to bite the bullet and do those two pages from scratch. The file is too big to upload to Any2DjVu, and tearing out the pages, sending them to Any2DjVu, and taping them back in again, would be more work than just typing them up. :-( Hesperian 05:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wilco. Just thought I'd ask in case it was trivial. Moondyne (talk) 05:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to put on a better cheating hat. I fed in the file (megathumbnail) image from the edit screen to the IMPORT IMAGE of Any2Djvu, and uploaded the one page as File:Temporary.djvu.  If I know how to just get the text layer from the file from the GUI interface (rather thanhaving to nut out the command line code), then I could have grabbed it and pasted it alone. Anyway, Moondyne from your page is a link to the text to grab.  We will need to del the file later. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't answer that, one just drags and and selects and one can copy the text from the underlying text. Duh. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Thanks. Moondyne (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

This is due to bug 21526. As a work-around, you can (most probably) download the Djvu file and (under Linux) use the following command to extract the text for the specified page, then copy and paste that into the editing window. --LA2 (talk) 09:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

djvused -e "select 322; print-pure-txt" "History of West Australia.djvu"

last page
I enjoyed most of MBB, cheers. I am a bit puzzled by the format at the end of this Page:Makers of British botany.djvu/236, what do you reckon is going on with this layout? Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I think the layout is intended to be as if it were punctuated
 * Cryptogamous: Ferns, Lycopods, Isoetes, Marsilidae, Anthocerotidae, Equisetidae.
 * I've converted it into a two-column table with a hanging indent on the second column. Hesperian 23:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Also: Page:Makers of British botany.djvu/14 could link the illustrations. 17:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks heaps for validating that. Do you think it worth taking to FTC? This also reminds me that we never polished off the last few bits and pieces of the Bloke. I'd love to get that featured. Hesperian 00:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Neat! Fwiw: I put the links to authors and other works at the target of these navigational pages. Bower's article on J D Hooker was plundered for a quote, and Farmer's article on Brown gives a mention of Bauer. The rest filled in some gaps for me (except the article on Hales). That each part is a quick and useful read made me think FTC, I reckon the arrangement is a good option for our selection. KGS is also mentioned, so it automatically gets my vote. Yep, I may have said I would do some task, but I thought the other contributor might like to make it their own. It was pretty close last time I looked, an excellent candidate. Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did the first couple of the Bloke's songs, some blather on the talk, pls comment if you would do it differently. Cygnis insignis (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I hadn't realised what powers I was unleashing by saying "we never polished off the last few bits and pieces of the Bloke. I'd love to get that featured." You're all over my watchlist! :-) Hesperian 00:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Re:Diacritic templates
I've reversed the carriage return on the above templates, sorry I don't know anything about templates. kathleen wright5 (talk) 21:23, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:PD-old failing to show on The Brigs Of Ayr (Full version)
For some reason Template:PD-old is failing to show up on this work, it can only be seen in edit mode, could you please have a look at it. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. There was a large appendix that was commented out by a html comment, which had not been closed. Hesperian 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Synchronized newspapers
Lately, I've looked into newspapers, whole issues rather than isolated articles. You've done some from the Perth gazette. Is that something you're still working on, or did you abandon the idea? I think it would be exciting to cover the same dates in parallel for several titles. So far there seems to be no overlap in time between the titles we have. Perhaps we should start with the eventful spring of 1848? --LA2 (talk) 09:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * G'day. I've neither abandoned the idea nor am I working on it. It is one of many projects that I am working on that tend to sit on the back-burner for long periods of time. That said, I think I'll leave it there for now.... Hesperian 11:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Standardizing non capitalization of two word category names
Hi. I came across a few categories like where the 2nd word is capitalized as opposed to 99% of others that are not. Would you object if I correct this and naturally, the related articles and linked sub-categories? - Ineuw (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC) P.S: Sorry for messing up the page. - Ineuw (talk) 19:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Hesperian 02:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Digger Smith
Great work, thanks. Moondyne (talk) 05:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a pleasure. :-) I liked it better than Mick, and much better than Doreen. Hesperian 05:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of those I like Mick best then Doreen. You may want to read Glugs of Gosh. Its a bit wacky (in an Alice in Wonderlandish way) and apparently didn't sell that well. Hard going, but more of a story. Moondyne (talk) 08:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And Digger Smith last?! Doreen was way too uxorious for me. And Mick was maudlin. I take Digger over both of them. Of course it goes without saying that the Bloke thrashes 'em all. Yeah, I'll have a go at Glugs. Hurry up and scan it in. ;-) Hesperian 10:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking stuff that and uploaded from archive.org. Then I noticed the cover is apparently missing.  If I scan my cover could that replace the other?  Moondyne (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, easy. If you send me a scan I'll sort it out for you. Hesperian 00:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Commons:Category:The Glugs of Gosh. Moondyne (talk) 01:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So you simply want the red front cover replaced with your green front cover, right?
 * Um... I'm a little embarrassed asking this... but oughtn't you send me a scan of the green back cover too? Otherwise we'll have a green front and a red back. Hesperian 01:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to be embarrassed pointing out my oversight. I never thought about that!  Its there now.  Don't do anything just yet though- inside front and back covers have some artwork which I'd really like to include but need some touching up before uploading.  Moondyne (talk) 01:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, so it turns out you're just as anal-retentive as me. ;-) Okay, let me know when and what, and I'll get onto it. Hesperian 02:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not as bad as you, but it gets worse. How good are your photoshop skills? Perhaps I need to talk to Durova. Moondyne (talk) 02:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't photoshop; I imagemagick. ;-) Which makes me reasonably competent at broadscale stuff like tweaking levels, but crap at finescale stuff like getting rid of spots. What's the problem? Hesperian 02:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to greyscale File:The Glugs of Gosh, inside front cover (unedited).JPG and its brother. Reduce the marks and shading, remove owners signature, remove or reduce the line and shadow down the middle, slightly darken the drawing. I could have a crack but know my limitations. Moondyne (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I attempted something like this back in March 2009, but it was beyond me. The image I chose to work on was simply too faint (in places), and the corruption too bad. See Commons:User talk:CarolSpears/2009-06 for discussion. This image of yours strikes me as even worse. All the same, I might have a play around over the weekend.... Hesperian 02:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sing out if you can't or can't be bothered. Commons:Commons:Graphic Lab/Photography workshop would be my next stop. Moondyne (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I spent the entire Friday evening on it, and made progress in terms of understanding, but got nowhere in terms of outcome. Since then it is still up on my screen but I haven't paid it any attention at all. I still plan to get back to it, but you shouldn't let me hold you up if you want to pursue other avenues. Hesperian 05:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs, but thanks for trying. I'm a heavily committed with other things at the moment and will come back to this later on. Moondyne (talk) 06:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Commons:Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop. Moondyne (talk) 14:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you can help
Did I create All Our Folks was Farmers correctly? Joe Chill (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome! The page itself looks okay, except that it doesn't have a licence template on it. What makes you think this work is out of copyright? Hesperian 13:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I assumed that stuff on the Library of Congress website was in the public domain. If not, I'll delete it. Joe Chill (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. It might be though. I'm an Australian, and don't know much about US copyright. You might ask Prosfilaes. Hesperian 13:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * According to this, it was compiled by U.S. government employees so there is no copyright. How would I add a license? Joe Chill (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did I add the right copyright tag? Joe Chill (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That looks all good. Congratulations on your first contribution. :-) Hesperian 14:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Article
I don't know what to do now. Joe Chill (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Missed categories & related matters
Hi. I missed some existing categories when I tried compiling a list by copying off the screen. I was wondering if I can get a raw text list of all existing categories. This relates to your desire not to create unnecessary categories when similar and general ones already exist.

The list would also help in my including the proper category when generating the main page headers. I am naming non-existent categories, together with Uncategorised subjects, visible here. When there is a sufficient number of articles, I create the category, and when not, I remove and forget about them. - Ineuw (talk) 20:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&namespace=14 Hesperian 23:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Mi gratitud querido señor. -  Ineuw (talk) 01:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Category help
Thanks for the help with my categorizations. It's most appreciated. It's only earlier today that I copied the category pages you provided and am in the process of studying them. I don't envy you, and am reluctant to ask for the following:

Would you advise to create a single category "Farming" which would include farming, agriculture, animal husbandry, land management, etc., and do away with agriculture? Also, there are several "Crafts", like embroidery, glass making, "metal work", and a few others I stored under "Uncategorised subjects", the articles of which are in the context of industry & manufacturing and not arts.

I also noticed that there is a "Category needed" category, which I will begin using. The non-existing categories are simply my notes and before creating any new ones I shall consult with you. Take care. - Ineuw (talk) 17:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

PS: I would also like to create a single category under Zoology for "Marine life" to include all manner of marine life. There are already 27 pages that would qualify and you can see them also under "Uncategorised subject". - Ineuw (talk) 18:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Updating the above
Please ignore the above post. I cleaned up the 'Uncategorised subject' category, and moved all that I don't know into 'Category needed'. The only two categories I need are the:
 * 1) 'Marine life' because a marine biologist from Oregon is interested in the documents. There are 27 pages that would qualify and you can see them also under "Uncategorised subject".
 * 2) 'Academic discourse', and this would eliminate 'Academic lecture', 'Academic criticism', as well allow me to move a lot of the articles I placed under 'Philosophy of science', as time allows. Thanks.   -  Ineuw (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Go for it. Hesperian 02:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Thanks. -  Ineuw (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

ö
Once again, the fat lady sings: co- + operari - Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw one of them earlier in the same work. Hesperian 23:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose you checked this, but you might want to review a couple of other changes I made to the title page. Cygnis insignis (talk) 16:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

script
I poached your auto numbering rh, cheers for adapting it, but I occasionally find a hiccup. Part of the problem seems to be I'm unable to clear the cache, or I do something silly, but when i have it working I am unable to fix the same pages?! Do I need to escape the parentheses in the index title, or iron out some other wrinkle - perhaps in my browsers. Sorry to bother you, but I couldn't solve it meself. Same goes for Swinburne's essay, beginning with the second section, I'm completely at loss as to where the problem lies in the refs. I think the work contains every possible combination of ref tag complications; including quoted poems split by notes overflowing to pages with other footnotes, and pomes with 1.1 style refs added to the mix. I don't know if it is something I've done, or its simply beyond my ken, so if you fancy unravelling that one day you are welcome to it. Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember I had this problem when I was first writing this stuff. Temporarily put "alert(location.href)" at the start of your header function, like this: . The alert function throws up a popup message box with some text in it. If you pass it location.href, the alert box will tell you what Javascript thinks the url is, which sometimes isn't exactly the same was what your browser url bar is showing. In this case, your browser url bar says
 * http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_book_of_wonder_voyages_(1919).djvu/112&action=edit
 * but Javascript thinks the url is
 * http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_book_of_wonder_voyages_%281919%29.djvu/112&action=edit
 * So yes, you have to escape the parentheses. Does this fix the problem for you? Hesperian 12:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Judging by your js edits, it still isn't working. When I make a change to my monobook, it doesn't show until I refresh my cache. On my browser I can do that by holding down SHIFT and clicking on reload button. Hesperian 23:14, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It does and then it doesn't. I did 90 pages of the index yesterday, after sorting out the underscores, but it it failed to work on about four (4) of those pages (for whatever reason). I tried everything to refresh the cache, including a complete reboot :( Paranoid thought ): Can I eliminate the possibility that this is not due changes elsewhere, such as where ever the relevant code resides? An analogous or relevant situation is that I know I have wasted a lot of time here trying to finding my mistake, which turned out to be not watching templates I use! Cygnis insignis (talk) 00:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The only functionality we're leveraging is the registration of these tools in the sidebar. If the tools are appearing in the sidebar correctly, but not working properly, then it is unlikely that the cause would be changes made elsewhere. It would seem to be a bug in my code. Beyond that, the only reassurance I can offer about changes to the underlying code is this: User talk:Pathoschild. Can you remember any of those four pages it didn't work on? If you let me know when you find a specific page that the script doesn't work on, I'll have a go at debugging it. Hesperian 00:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe, this one shows the script added the default, an empty rh, during a run where it was working. I just tried it again, and it works now! Maybe the problem is my ancient machine, so don't spend a lot of time puzzling about it Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC) No change to monobook, but it now doesn't work at this page. Think your right, the pages may have been visited earlier and so cached the java. Yet I have to reload the scan image from the site every time I edit the page!?! Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not an issue I've experienced. But this is client-side cache we're talking about. It will vary from browser to browser. You use Safari I think? Try Camino some time.Hesperian 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I use that and FF, whatever gets the job done. I used Opera for years, after hunting for something stable, didn't realise Camino was still around - I'll give it a go. Thanks, as always, Cygnis insignis (talk) 03:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are interested, I tried Camino, same deal. I have gone to great lengths to make sure the cache is clearing. It seems the path I take to the Page has an effect, my usual practice of clicking the redlinks in an index as new tabs may work - going to the page and then creating it seems to work. I noticed problems on later macs when I was in the big smoke, not so much on winboxes - if it was a marginal platform it no longer is. I don't have problems at the other place. What about a javascript conflict? I won't pretend I understand MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and so on, but some of the additions seem to have been a casual thought. I've vented now. Tell me that the descriptions of 'experimental' and tabbertab's "as is" in here are unlikely to be the cause and I will shut-up and get back to work as best I can. :| Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very impressed with how you diagnosed that. Hesperian 03:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about re the Swinburne refs. Hesperian 12:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I will try to find the pages and bring you a specific question, but the second and third parts of this break when I try to complete the transclusion. Again, I thought I had them working, then tried to fix them when they didn't, then discover'd that coding experiments elsewhere had screwed things in the first place. I got disheartened and focused on things with simple refs, but the large effort turned out quite nicely and is currently next to useless. I'm just whining, you are not expected to provide a solution to that :) Cygnis insignis (talk) 00:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This was a doozy of a problem. I think I have it figured out now. More to follow.... Hesperian 01:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you confirm that William Blake, a critical essay/Lyrical poems looks okay now please? Explanation at User talk:ThomasV. Hesperian 01:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! but I'm not sure the poem quoted in the smaller font of the footnote is smaller. Sorry, I'm distracted, I suppose you heard that we now have a South Australian Prime Minister. Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Really, I thought she was Welsh! Hesperian 02:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * She mentioned that early photographs make this uncertain, but she may be the first redhead :) Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Has just been pointed out to me that Australia's first man is a hairdresser. :-) Hesperian 02:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:unused templates
The Mishnah Tractate ones are obsolete, but the Mishnah Page template is used to create new Mishnah pages by subst'ing, so it only appears unused. As a matter of fact, I should probably update the Mishnah Tractate template so it works again. I will delete the ones which are no longer useful. Thanks for bringing these to my attention. --Eliyak T · C 14:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

That discussion
I was going to archive it, however, WS:S archives are not so simple; so how and to where to move it, and to add a link to it, though not make it evident. Thoughts? — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... Collapse top? Or just delete it and replace it by a history link, and let the link get archived in due course? Hesperian 05:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

diacritic template
Template:, has been hiding away, and as our diacritic template expert, wondering you wanted to explore and help out what to do with the beast. There are presumably others there that do similar tricks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  04:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This came about as a result of Scriptorium/Archives/2010-05. I created a lot of simple diacritic templates, and I'm glad I did, because I use them all the time; but they only worked for lower case letters. Paradoctor tried a couple of things that would work for upper case too, but personally their syntax is way too complicated. I'll write ; I won't write, Whether anyone else is using it, I don't know. It has no transclusions. but maybe people are substing it.... It might be worthwhile to ask Paradoctor. Hesperian 04:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Value your 20c
In The_Life_of_Captain_Matthew_Flinders,_R.N./Chapter_8 I have inserted the transcribed letters from the illustrations as grouped refs, displaying as  within user annotation. I have added the refs to the end after the standard footnotes, though it still looks less than attractive, and would value your 20c opinion on how we can improve it.

Note that this is one several illustrations through the work for which I am working my way through. — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * or The Life of Captain Matthew Flinders, R.N./Chapter 28 with three instances. — billinghurst  sDrewth 

Template:Translations
As Template:Translations is by extension a disambiguation page, is there a reason that it is built on top of header rather on top of disambiguation? To me it adds an element of difference without explaining why. If there is a why, do you think that it would be worth explaining the rationale somewhere? — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah mate, no reason. I just pulled something together to serve my purpose. If it isn't optimal, by all means fix it. Hesperian 04:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

ftc
Dear User, This is to advise you that your candidate for Featured Text has been reviewed, the consensus was to promote the text. You may wish to check the document before it appears on the main page, confirming that yer Charles is disambiguated from yer Erasmus and that nobody has added anything contentious. If you know of other suitable candidates, please add those to FTC. This officious message was delivered by Cygnis insignis (talk) at 12:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta, I'll have a look later. Bah, telling Charles from Erasmus is easy as pie. Try telling Bernard from Antoine-Laurent! Hesperian 14:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

pink
If you meant this one at the other place, I thought the same when I did it. Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:55, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

From the change in Common.css
I believe that the recent change in Common.css file has modified the size of the text in the footers that correspond with the use of headers. It is not as pretty larger text. I don't think that rather than undo the change we should work on the text in the footer; and if you cannot get to it, I will have a look when my returns to functioning after a headcold. — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I've fixed it. Hesperian 10:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Usability Initiative (Vector) Rollout Coming
Hi Hesperian. I wanted to get in touch with you about the upcoming rollout of the Usability Initiative features (Vector and enhanced editing features). I noticed that you commented on the Vector rollout in a previous post, so I thought it might be a good idea to get in touch with you. As you may know, we’ve already rolled out the changes to approximately |100 projects and are currently planning on rolling out the new features the remaining Wikimedia projects (including Wiktionary) in late August (probably the 4th week).

As you also may know, some gadgets and customizations may not be compatible with Vector. Would it be possible for you to help us identify the major incompatibilities?We’re using Bugzilla to track issues (please file under "Usability Initiative"). Also, our |FAQ page has info on how to test Vector.

I look forward to your feedback! Howief (talk) 23:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Fix needed
At Page:An introduction to physiological and systematical botany (1st edition).djvu/195 there is a subst: call that hasn't been activated to a sandbox with your name on it. One of yours to fix? — billinghurst  sDrewth  06:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ta, finally remembered to fix this. Hesperian 09:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Page: link display
I had started using parentheses in the Index form to indicate full page illustrations,   for 'illustration facing page 25', but this now displays as   I fiddled a bit, but I wonder whether improvements have not incorporated an earlier function that resolved the rendering of non-alpha characters. Perhaps it is now affected by that geturl variation you helped me with. 01:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess this is the same issue as User talk:ThomasV. If this is still broken for you, you should take it there. Hesperian 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * btw, I fished out The Dukite Snake from the poet's bio and collected works … maybe you've read the good bits of that book already? Cygnis insignis (talk)
 * and regarding that edition: Still, with soft insistent—'Is it true?'
 * Nah, I have a copy of Fanatic Heart at home. Read it several years ago. Other than that, I know nothing of the Boyle and his work. Ta, changed. You will of course feel free to correct, overwrite, redirect, disambiguate, delete, etc, any such pages not backed by page scans, howsoever you see fit. Hesperian 04:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed, I plucked a few out based on your art (and my declared bias). I don't overwrite text that has some clue to the source; this is or was proper and verifiable, whatever … Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:11, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, "or was". I'll check Fanatic Heart tonight and revert if it does indeed say "insistent". Hesperian 05:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

validation
Cheers for all the checking and fixes, would you mind switching the script to generate a list of your pages? In my user space I suppose, or pass me the script and I will try to discover what to do with it.

Another index is nearly complete, thanks to other's efforts, but the gloss is marred by some dingbat drop-ins. I could wrangle them into place, but that would require remembering where you have solved the problem before. I'm lazy! so I came straight to the source, the page is 'ere. cygnis insignis 06:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have posted to User:Cygnis insignis/Script for now; I'll leave it to you to choose a more tasteful title. That was an interesting exercise. I had envisaged vast swathes of unvalidated pages going back years, but there is really very little there, especially considering how many are text-less page images from Curtis's. I guess that makes sense though. I get so much enjoyment out of the literary tour of following you around validating whatever you're working on, that I don't proofread very much these days. Interesting to hear you express an interest in playing with scripts; I guess all our javascript tomfoolery has eliminated the mystique. ;-) Though I've done it for you in this case, and am happy to do it again in future, I'm also happy to help you get set up for scripting, and of course you can have any of my scripts you want. I had a crack at that table. It ain't pretty but hopefully it will give you something to work with. I vaguely remember Billinghurst having some success inserting those gull braces as images. Hesperian 00:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I'll toy with it when I get back home. I hoped I might find some more Brown, can I lead you back to that sometime? cygnis insignis 17:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. :-) Hesperian 23:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Labilliere
At Page:The library a magazine of bibliography and library literature, Volume 6.djvu/210 you link to Author:Jacques Labillardière. I am wondering whether the reference may be to Author:Francis Peter Labilliere who wrote on Victoria. A bit hard to tell from reading the snippet, and I am too lazy to read surrounding pages. :-) — billinghurst  sDrewth  05:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, almost certainly. Fixed. Hesperian 06:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

DNB creation
I've been offline, but Hales, Stephen (DNB00) is there now. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

anchor with optional label for sections
... if I understand the application. Your tweaks and comments on this template, discussed at my talk, would be welcome. cygnis insignis 12:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

fiction fix
This fix worked when I prepared the raw text for the Jacob's set, removing spaces at quotes. I mentioned  at the start of para could be caught, but I found   worked without mishap. This would depend on the quirks of the text-layer, but the opening quote mark often has an unwanted space. I also had success with patterns like, and numerous fixes of   and   The latter would always be inside the quote in those works, and many others, and the ocr either added a space or failed to recognise it. cygnis insignis 02:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Jolly good ideas all, though those last two would conceivably get some false hits. Another good one might be, though I guess many of these older works would put that comma inside the quote. Hesperian 04:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The last two worked perfectly for four volumes of Jacobs', the narration didn't have questions or exclamations. Anyway, the point is that once a consistent ocr quirk is detected, it can be applied throughout: rdja -> rájá; Miiller -> Müller and so on also avoid applying special characters. cygnis insignis 15:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That point is so well taken that I am wondering if I am missing the real point. I don't imagine you're often accused of stating the obvious. ;-D Is there something I can do for you here?
 * On double quotes in particular, I have been brewing on an approach that takes account of the fact that they always occur alternately on a page: left quote, right quote, left quote, right quote, etc. The only problem is you don't know whether the first quote on the page is a left one or a right one. But these regexes will tell you. i.e. if the quote is preceded by "?_" or "!_" or ",_" or "._" in the 1st, 3rd and 7th instance, you can safely assume that odd occurrences are right quotes and even occurrences are left quotes, so you can fix the spacing around all of them, even the ones that didn't match your regexes! The only thing preventing me from pursuing this is the fact that the work I'm proofing at the moment uses single quotes, which are harder because one has to take apostrophes into account too.
 * Hesperian 23:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * These snippets could enabled as found in a volume, as defined for the header, and invoked at some point in the work-flow. You already do this in a way.
 * I had no doubt you would be thinking about that. If you can the catch the ocr errors, then treating a whole section is first quote is open, second is close, nu? I did apostophes first on a volume with single quotes, removing spaces, and it occurred to me they could also be 'not-found' after that fix.cygnis insignis 00:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I poached your js again, but I get the buttons twice. Possibly something silly I did, but you might let me know why your special formats contain nondisplaying [ in the middle: "… |right= [ }}" cygnis insignis 00:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can think of is, that importScriptURI line at the top replaces the "Add a sidebar menu of user-defined regex tools..." gadget. When I explicitly added the import line, I unticked the gadget in my prefs.
 * Um, the [ isn't nondisplaying for me. It really is literally in the header; e.g. see Page:History of botany (Sachs; Garnsey).djvu/230.
 * Hesperian 00:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thought that all non-functional notation, I learn something else.
 * Um-yes-well-err, that's all right then! you can carry on :P [slinks away, hopes nobody else notices] cygnis insignis 00:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Proofread PSM pages for validation
Hi Hesperian. I finally completed validation of the proofread PSM pages you provided over 5 months ago. Would it be possible to get a new list of proofread PSM pages where I was not the proofreader, and paste it HERE? Thanks. -  Ineuw (talk) 16:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the list. It’s a humbling experience to see all my earlier proofreading mistakes and micro-edits.

I would also like to clean up the Gap’s by where they can be replaced with the proper templates, where I used them initially due to limited knowledge, and leave the paragraph indent Gaps for User:Inductiveload’s bot to remove. - If it’s possible, can I also get a list of all the PSM pages where the Gap’s was used? I prepared THIS PAGE for that purpose. Thanks in advance. - Ineuw (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Gap list. -  Ineuw (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Bless
and then there were two. :-) — billinghurst  sDrewth 
 * lol, I know what you're talking about but I have no idea what you're saying! Hesperian 00:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

'someone' is a dolt
Thanks for fixing Page:Equitation.djvu/188 and Page:BCPA Flight 304 accident investigation report.djvu/4. -- John Vandenberg (chat) 08:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * no worries mate. Hesperian 09:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


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