User talk:Dick Bos

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Manual of NZ Flora
Thank you for having a go at this. You didn't exactly pick the easiest of texts to work on for a first try! I've made a few changes and validated the page. Most of my changes are about consistency with the way the other pages have been done. I have a thing about spacing around em-dash and en-dash. An em-dash never has spaces, while an en-dash does sometimes. w:WP:STYLE has a full explanation. The end of the page is a bit fiddly. The nop template is to force an end of paragraph when the page gets transcluded to the mainspace. If it isn't there the system assumes that the next page is a continuation of the paragraph. Because the smaller text is continued on the next page instead of using smaller block I've used smaller block/s & smaller block/e. This is to do with the alignment of the pages when they are transcluded. Have a look at the documentation for smaller block for an explanation of how and when to use the two different varieties. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

A poem on two pages
Perhaps you'll understand this helppage : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Page_breaks When a poem is on two pages I have to use something with start and end. But in this help page it looks like its has to come in the footer and the header.I tried several things which didn't work. Do you understand this? See page http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Natural_History,_Mollusca.djvu/145 WeeJeeVee (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry girl, I think this is beyond my knowledge. Just drop the question in the scriptorium! And I am of course very curious to hear how this has to be handled. Dick Bos (talk) 07:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at the two pages. See if what I've done makes sense. If it doesn't come back to me and I'll have a go at explaining. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * To me it's clear. You treat it more or less like a table that is spread over more than one page. We'll see if it is clear to Wilma (WeeJeeVee) as well. Thank you, Beeswaxcandle. Dick Bos (talk) 07:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't try it this way. But its clear to me as well! Thanks WeeJeeVee (talk) 19:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: PSM font size correction
Hi. This is in reply to your inquiry posted in the PSM project talk page about the font size for block of texts with reduced font size. Admittedly, I was wrong, and Mpaa and I have worked out the solution and I/we will standardize and correct past edits. FYI, you can read about this HERE. Again, I apologize for the error. — Ineuw talk 04:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Dutch wikisource
As already stated at your Dutch wikisource talk page, I will try to help to find a solution for the djvu system on the Dutch wikisource. Asacha (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I answered you more extensively on your User talk page on nl-wikisource. Greetz, Dick Bos (talk) 15:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Index talk:Weather Facts and Predictions.djvu
Kathleen.Wright5's validation was not incorrect according to the statements in Index talk:Weather Facts and Predictions.djvu which apparently you did not read. —Maury (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Scriptorium/Help
Hello. Pardon the last-minute thought, but as I had it since you'd replied I thought I'd better send you a pointer here. To repeat the basic issue, if you are prepared to put up with the "cost" of having ragged right edges to the row of dots, setting  continually adjusts the page-number column width of dotted TOC page listing to try to accommodate whatever width is required. Obviously there are limits! Upon further thought, I am not sure why this is not the default choice, instead of that measly 2.0em. AuFCL (talk) 00:16, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

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Two page poem edits
(Hello, I realize there is a directly related thread above, but decided to raise a new thread on it. Feel free to merge these if appropriate for your talk page.) I noticed your edits on some pages of Index:Songs of the Workers 15th Edition.djvu, putting the poem tags on poems that span across page breaks into the header and footer fields. I agree that this makes sense, but unfortunately it does not work. I've filed a bug over this, which you can see examples of this on the test wiki. I added the hidden comments because I had already noticed that the poem should simply wrap, but can't, but also because the hidden comments mysteriously fix some other line-wrap related problem that inserts or removes line breaks where they oughtn't. For an example of your edits: first page, second page, broken result. djr13 (talk) 22:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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Dutch wikisource
As more experienced user of how to import a book and the OCR. I was wondering if you could help with introducing these pages on the dutch ws? https://nl.wikisource.org/wiki/Overleg_auteur:William_Shakespeare. It might be already enough if you can help me and show me the link on this ws on how to import them. 83.134.87.29 14:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Interwiki links
Hi, I noticed that you reversed the interwiki links deleted from Author:Joseph Dalton Hooker. These are handled through Wikidata now (as they are on other wikis) so are not needed anymore. You'll note that the page doesn't look any different, but it's now much easier to make changes in the future, if needed. I removed them when I deleted the vandalism. Just wanted to let you know. Cheers! The Haz talk 13:30, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Updated scripts
Hello Dick Bos. I updated your proofreading scripts to the latest version from TemplateScript. This adds a new Special:TemplateScript page to configure your scripts, and enables compatibility with upcoming features. You were previously using only the 'clean up OCR' script; you can disable the other scripts via Special:TemplateScript if you don't need them. Let me know if anything breaks. :) — Pathoschild 03:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Petty
Hi Dick, just noticed your upload of volume 1 of William Petty. He's also on my to do list because of the Bills of Mortality, which is of particular interest to me. Please let me know when you get to that section (in volume 2 I think) and I'll lend a hand. Best wishes, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Principles of Political Economy
Please remember to move the subpages as well. Artix Kreiger (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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spans and divs
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Making for ugly author pages
Hi. Something like Author:William Aitcheson Haswell is hard on the eyeballs, author pages are listings not extensive biographical find-alls. These pages are meant to be ready references and helpful, not hard work. Things to note, ext scan link takes multiple parameter, so you can simply link them as a string, and we just need the best copy to be linked, and the source of the link is not pertinent. I don't think that we need OCLC data, how does it help? cite book doesn't make sense on our author pages as adding the author when it is there page is of no additional value and we want the focus on the work name anyway. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:23, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * PS. We can utilise the author_talk pages, for collection of additional information. That is often done for the biographical information, and the like when they are not suitably notable for Wikipedias. — billinghurst  sDrewth  22:32, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


 * @User:billinghurst. Thanks for your critical comments. I have put a part of the bibliographical information on Wikipedia (incl. oclc). I have put a part of the double links on the talk page. I'll check later which online version has the best quality (or if they are perhaps the same). I don't agree with you on using cite book-templates and on the exact place for a link to a review. But we'll leave those things for a later discussion, if you don't mind.
 * I'll clean up Author:Thomas Jeffery Parker in the same way, soon. Many greetings, --Dick Bos (talk) 10:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * "Works about" sections are used extensively for biographical, reviews, and targets for letters. We stray away from active references as they are confusing and generally don't work. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:33, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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OCLC IDs
Was there a reason why you removed OCLC identifiers, in this edit? Generally, it's not good to remove such identifiers. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:05, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

A Short History of the Bearded Titmouse
Hello. Thanks very much for working on The Zoologist/4th series, vol 4 (1900)/Issue 710/A Short History of the Bearded Titmouse, Gurney 1900. However, I have reverted its adding among the New Texts as premature, as it has not been fully proofread yet. Once it is finished, it can be reintroduced there again. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * @Jan Kameníček Stupid me - proofread done! (Now wait for someone who wants to validate....) --Dick Bos (talk) 11:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

DO you transclude?
Hi, I noticed you have validated some pages on Selborne. I’m not up to transcluding atm, but with the images recently added, it is ready to do. Would you be willing? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Works as subpages to parent
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Generally links to Page: namespace are discouraged
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Hi. The general philosophy of WS has been to link to works in the main namespace, and not to point people to pages in Page: ns which just confuses the general user. We would normally do something like I have done like this change. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have said this before. Oops. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @User:Billinghurst, I'm already working on it. Sorry that I forgot to let you know. I'll get in contact with you about this issue soon. --Dick Bos (talk) 18:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a biggy, was just going doing author page maintenance, and dropped a new section without looking at your talk page content. Only after adding that section that I saw it paired. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

The Zoologist
It is an amazing amount of work you have done on these articles, I've been dipping into some of the volumes for a quick read. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Cygnis insignis, Thank you for your kind words. I myself have the feeling that I've only made a start, until now. There are still a lot of volumes waiting! But most of the time this is content, that interests me. I learn a lot about the history of birdwatching (and other branches of zoology) in the UK. That makes it a nice job to do. On the Dutch Wikisource we're working on some projects that are more or less comparable, like Album der Natuur, a magazine on nature-related subjects, with 54 volumes and s:nl:Index:Ornithologia Neerlandica 1.djvu, with good quality images, like this one (also five volumes!) Again, thanks for your friendly support. I keep going, every day a little bit. --Dick Bos (talk) 17:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Very nice, just the sort of thing I am interested in. Why are those swans white, is there something wrong with them? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Pages, breaks and alignment
Hi! Good work on Karl Marx: The Man and His Work! Just a few notes about some things: Cheers, Inductiveload— talk/contribs 02:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please avoid  in favour of   for "normal" texts. The latter has special server-side code and also allows the page number links to appear. You can use   to transclude a single page.
 * page break or padded page break should be used rather than rule to split up "separate" pages that are transcluded to the same mainspace page. This is because they signify to paginated devices link e-readers that there is a page break there and the following content will be on a new page.
 * Using gap for alignment in a block will go badly wrong when the page is narrow relative to the font size. See Help:Preparing_for_export for an example. It's better to just use center and right in this case and set a width on the container. This will then display more or less as you expect on all displays.

quick question
Why do we have Aut that replicates small-caps / sc, would you mind if we merged into the original template? Replicating existing templates, especially undocumented templates, just causes confusion. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Billinghurst. Not a problem. I just copied it from (English) Wikipedia. It is also used on other Wiki's (like the Dutch). But if I'm the only one who uses it, of course I don't mind merging. Greetings. --Dick Bos (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Ending subpages with author surname
Please do not end subpage names with the author's surname, as has been done at The Zoologist/4th series, vol 5 (1901)/Issue 724/Early Ornithologists, Macpherson for example. The title should be The Zoologist/4th series, vol 5 (1901)/Issue 724/Early Ornithologists. Thank you. PseudoSkull (talk) 14:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

messing around with "your" page
I have been messing around with commons:Category:Bird Watching (Selous 1901) and it spilled into Bird Watching here. You made the index for this pagelist, so it might be "yours". Even if it isn't "yours" could you just be the expert and say yay or nay to what I have done and will do. I liked the pagelist that you did more than the newer version.

Things that you might care about (or that I should undo) include:


 * The link to illustrator: I put the plate artist as "|related_author" in the header and mentioned that Rackham only did the chapter decorations.  So, this book doesn't use the illustrator template any longer.  It was nice to learn from your example that the illustrator template accepts more than one name! If you wish it to remain linked to the template, my changes can be undone.


 * Endpapers: Endpapers are interesting. You have one done, and it should be a good place to show the endpaper trick that Billinghurst wrote when I complained about a change, but the other one needs to be finished.


 * Haddon Hall Library series additions:I added some of the pages that were with the first publication.


 * The endpapers:  The whole collection used the same endpapers, as much as I can tell.  I was going to put one set of endpapers on each member of the series.  But, if you get yours working, we can use them as a clever example of includeonly, noinclude to make pages that work as expected on "Page:" and on "Main".


 * Cover: of this is blue, yet the series was "first published" with a green cover. I have made a cheesy cover graphic that also contains the title of the book.  The cover image goes into "|cover" on the header and does not get displayed on the page.  It is there for ereader thumbnails.  I want to put the green cover in that spot.


 * Shared images: I haven't done any of this yet, but the books have some shared chapter decorations and the same front page building engraving. What are your feelings about sharing the same title page picture?  Also, share the same chapter decorations, if they were shared?


 * About "cover=": Putting something into "cover=" in the header puts the book into a category in which it is really easy to see if it is using dtpl, which I love, btw. I have a script that will replace that with the TOC begin/end dotted templates, which is better for everyone, but harder to wrangle from the outset.  This is mentioned so that it will not be a surprise, and if you need to keep it like it is, let me know.
 * Why?: dtpl starts a whole new table for each entry. It is the same as using rh, only rh is better because it doesn't draw the dots.  ereaders have small memories 6G and such, not sure of the processor speed....  But using dtpl means it can be easily converted, and the conversion maintains the dots!

Sorry it is a lot of reading. I don't know how much you care about these things. For sure it was great to find the bird images already in their species cats!! If it was plants, I would be putting them into the species gallery with a link to the book. Stream a little wikidata species ids on those images....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Quotation marks in Max Havelaar
Hello! Thank you so much for taking the time to validate some of the text of the Havelaar translation.

As you may have noticed, it is currently transcribed with curly quotation marks.

Since these are used throughout the whole work, and this is mentioned in the discussion page, would you mind terribly leaving them intact?

You may also wish to see what I have responded to you on my Dutch talk page.

Kind regards, Raketsla (talk) 09:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@User:Raketsla. Sorry. I thought I left them as they were. But I mostly use "clean up ocr" as a more or less automatic move before publishing, and perhaps on one or two places I may have forgotten to check. Sorry for that. By the way, that's exactly the reason why straight marks are recommended here. Greetz, --Dick Bos (talk) 09:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

No worries! It’s not a big deal, anyhow :)

And I see… I will have to consider that next time I start a transcription!

(By the way, I thought reading the preface was so interesting! Of course, I knew a lot of it from back in school, and from modern prefaces, but it is still something different to read about the book’s reception from an old, contemporary source, right?)

Kind regards, Raketsla (talk) 10:12, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Index:TheTreesOfGreatBritainAndIreland vol01.djvu
Plan on uploading the other volumes? ( I counted at least 7!) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @User:ShakespeareFan00. Yeah. But it will take some time! --Dick Bos (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)