User talk:Cygnis insignis/Archive 5

Transclusion Index:The fireside sphinx.djvu
Continuing my slooow checking and I see that Index:The fireside sphinx.djvu is transcribed though not transcluded. If you want someone else to do it, then please ping me, and I will get to it within the week. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I thought the quality of the transcript was doubtful, after LJB revealed my idea of 'proofread' is somewhat less than that. Sorry for the late reply, CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Sartor Resartus, &c.
With the exception of problematic p. 70, Sartor Resartus is proofread. Noting that there is a Gutenberg version already hosted here, I wasn't sure what your intentions were with regard to transclusion, so I will leave that to you, unless you leave instruction. I was also not sure if you intended to perform magic with the Index.

In other matters, Repplier's essay collections (in PD) are now all proofread. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Problematic p. 70 is no longer a problem. Went ahead and transcluded Index; it was begging. Hoping I have done so satisfactorily. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'll say it
Good to see 'Cygnis insignis' pop up in RC earlier. With no unrealistic hopes that you'll stick around, I do hope you are well. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And good to hear from you, as always. I'm trying to tidy up other busyness and focus on several projects here, later this year. When I reflect on the work I have done here, the texts we collaborated on are the highlights. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Me too, for different reasons. It was a lifeline. I've been validating Repplier's works thinking I might nominate the lot of her essays for FT some day. See you around!— Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I would think that is a fine idea :) I will look over your completed texts to see if the Repplier essays can be improved; your suggestions are welcome, of course. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:34, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will be around WS sporadically the next few weeks, as we are in the process of moving. Packers are here as I write, so I am editing to keep from being tempted to be too controlling over the process :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

ahhh
you have been around after all Jarrah Tree (talk) 13:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC) Today I found someone on wp en (if it is genuine...) approximateley one edit a year for the last 10 years... Jarrah Tree (talk) 13:40, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * so busy elsewhere, so many storms, is that an excuse? I vhecked my contribs, random and infrequent is my signature, but thanks for keeping tabs on that. Call that number sometime, me erstwhile shipmate. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:49, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * shiver me timbers, argghh me long lost lard of lubber, youve still got some salt in your lungs, not a land living waster yet me hearty Jarrah Tree (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Folk-Lore link
I believe that I have successfully implemented the publications "Folk-Lore Record"/"The Folk-Lore Journal"/"Folk-Lore" into Template:Folk-Lore link. Somewhat unfortunate that "The Folk-Lore Journal" was the base for the existing template, as that is now somewhat quirky switch between from the base publication. Should be finished updating all existing links today, and will better document the additional functionality. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Emu not EMU
Hello! I have started to create a pagelist. It is easily reverted if you envisioned something different or I can get back to it soonish. The scrollbar on the index is just paste from the Help but it is useful for not scrolling when creating the pagelist.

Cool journal! I am glad to see it here. Should get The Auk up here also....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. All I could get was an abstract for an article, so I converted my frustration into a solution. I found an important fact that proves an assumed idea, so I couldn't be happier. I would probably get some joy out of that august journal too. Any help is greatly appreciated, there are page skips for the twenty odd plates. I can ignore the scroll bar, I'm not a fan; though I see the value in having the ToC adjacent to the index, the browser's scroll is less fiddly, is familiar, and at my fingertips anywhere on the page. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Scrollpane If you prefer a different one. I have very few opinions about this.  Index:Bird-lore_Vol_01.djvu uses a template I pasted from the help, previously.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe I should have started this on the talk page. I have been needing to talk to  about Portal:Taxonomy instead of Portal:Genus species.  Journals are a good place to start to talk.  I am stuck at thinking about the scientific vs vulgare articles and how to manage the lists;  all I can think of is by date.  Bibliographies make their own lists.  I wonder if the brits have a bird journal.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Ask an admin to move without redirect
With a whack of pages in Page: ns, it is preferable to get an admin to move the pages without a redirect. Can also do the index page at the same time if required. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:27, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Why did you delete pages in that index without moving them? — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 08:05, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You marked the parent index page for deletion, which indicated to me that you had finished as the underlying pages need to be deleted. I have recovered the two "not proofread"pages and put them in place. — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Show me where I did that, that is, restore the page and index history. There will be a few more questions, take some time to consider your replies. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 18:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Two Page: ns pages have been recovered and moved over per your request. If you didn't add the deletion components, they must have been artefacts of other deletion requests, my apologies if they were prematurely deleted. — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:41, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Not exactly what I requested. Have you restored the history of index? I haven't checked again. Those page histories show what I recall, there was no tag to delete, Your second sentence is not understood, but given my frustration I'm reading it as gas-lighting, "artefacts", with a conditional apology. "if".
 * Based on what you said, I invested more time in trying to establish what happened, I didn't want to be casting aspersions over my own mistake (I intensely dislike causing trouble for others). Are you willing to strike your comment that says otherwise? I would appreciate that if you do. Please also show me links to the Page and Index history by posting them here, and we can unfold the next concern. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No I haven't restored the deleted index file, it shouldn't be merged, so what is the purpose of an undeletion? My "if ... then" statement was not saying that you did or did not do something, it if not A, then the "then" statement to how I managed the listing (artefacts = what happens with transclusions). I am not going to dig dig dig without a purpose, I am not accusing you of anything, or saying that you did anything wrong, or laying any blame. If you say that I prematurely deleted, I will accept that, and I will fix whatever needs fixing. Index/Page deletions where pages have been moved leaving redirects are a PITA and messy, which was why I did the initial comment, nothing more, just trying to avoid them into the future. — billinghurst  sDrewth  11:56, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I want the history to show what happened, and when, and have asked that they be linked here. I gave careful thought to how to resolve my title error with the least time and effort, especially for others as it was my failure to correct the upload tool's mistake. I realised my mistake, but continued to proof and save when I confirmed what and where the article I wanted was. The index and pages, less than a dozen, would have taken me about a minute to move and check. I have done it suppressing redirects when I had that tool, for myself and others, always satisfactorily I believe and never heard otherwise.
 * I've done it before this way and you have given no reason not to do it again. This will lead to a similar outcome, and I want to discuss why I found the incident problematic and point out the consequences. I had three pages to go when you made your announcement, taking over without a nod from me and demonstrating very little care or consideration for the outcome. That is the generous interpretation! When I returned the next day, I had to puzzle out what happened to the content I thought I created!? You had messed it up in the worst way possible, then you avoided showing the history that reveals that. I think I have been pretty gentle with you under the circumstances, and the history of your interventions.
 * I've been in the mood to contribute content, hopefully useful to others, so ignored the notices here while focussing on that elsewhere. You are doubling-down on your opinion that in some way my approach was the problem, yet again, and that is only the beginning of my troubles. Venturing beyond this page, glancing at my watchlist, and so on is likely to be unproductive; I don't trust you to act responsibly and so consider myself effectively blocked. Please do as I ask, restore the history and link it here. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Here is the history. No real value in undeleting. which would indicate that it was artefact in that a transcluded page was putting in the delete template. I believed that you had moved the pages you wanted moved, put in a deletion request, which I did and cleaned up. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not doubling down on anything, and making no negative assertions or accusations. My initial comment was simply asked that you ask an admin to move pages from page namespace so we don't have to remove redirects and other cleanups, they are messy, and this is an indication of how they get messy. Having an admin do them gets them moved all together in a minute, and away we go. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Restore the history. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC) 14:21, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That is undeleting the fileindex page. They cannot be done independently. It will show you nothing further, except the old page and the old empty transclusions. — billinghurst  sDrewth  12:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The file still exists. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * O ops, I meant index page, the file does exist, and won't show anything particularly. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That is the history. Is it an undeletion that you are requesting of the Index: page, that can occur, it will show that history, and little else. What are you wishing to occur and to what purpose? — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:24, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You have no business deleting history, and your latest intervention is an example of why that is the norm. The long-standing consensus at wikis is 'this is a not-good practice' and the onus is on the user to justify why there should be an exception according to established criteria. You can continue to spin falsehoods about what happened, loading your sentences with subjective terms for my orderly and unobjectionable cleanup, and make up 'rules' to justify shouldering me aside and doing something that was obviously wrong. I am now asserting this was intentionally disruptive. You know I value revision history, you swept away another request to restore another page (without a word to me). It doesn't interfere with your objectives.
 * You coming anywhere near my edits is pretty average under the circumstances, at best it is thoughtless and insensitive, it has almost always been unwelcome and guaranteed to waste my time. You ought to have restored and merged the history as a matter of course, do that now and we can discuss how you can keep out of the way any unobjectionable contributions. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:52, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Page talk:The Emu volume 3.djvu/257
G'day, it's great to be seeing you around the place again, and thanks for getting in touch. I'm a bit more busy in real life these days, so getting less done here. Yes that stuff is 'my cup of tea', and it even makes me feel slightly enthusiastic to renew my engagement in that kind of thing. But only slightly. I daresay nothing will come of it.... Hesperian 07:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Slight enthusiasm achieved! I did well to sell someone on murky black-and-white images of … the middle of nowhere. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:35, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

time
Please don't bother others with problems of your own making, particularly one of the few good admins here (your vague request at LBJ's page about WikiData conundrums). As you well know, you created those items at a sister site and so it is up to you to resolve it there; whoever you are, your neophyte/adept persona is wearing thin. — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What do I say?... @Cygnis: I have created my own share of problems here and elsewhere over time—also at times asking for WD help from WS contributors. Often, knowledge of the works/nature of the works themselves helps one's perspective when attempting to untangle related data over there. And for other reasons. No matter, I may not be the best contributor to help resolve this one. As a few days have passed since this issue was raised, I hope all has since been resolved. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Le Corbeau (Mallarmé)
Hi,

I'm not sure to understand, why did you revert me on Le Corbeau (Mallarmé)? Now, with your version, the text contains some "Page:Le Corbeau (Mallarmé)/undefined" while my version doesn't have these bugs.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * You do not know why that 'bug' is occurring, seriously? — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 09:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I know why the "Page:Le Corbeau (Mallarmé)/undefined" appears, what I don't understand is why you are doing that? And why are you now putting back the French pages on the English Wikisource when it's already on the French Wikisource? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Because you blanked the pages and marked it without text. Please revalidate the text, your action has overwritten that. Secondly, this is a featured text, you need to reopen that discussion if you disagree. The work contains french and english, what is the concern with that? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 09:42, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * My "concern" is that for more than a decade, I worked on English texts on English Wikisource and on French texts on French Wikisource (and same for other languages). I don't see why this book should be treated differently. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't see the relevance, or why that allows a unilateral override of the several users involved. I don't know how to respond without stating the obvious, many books contain one language, some contain both?! This hasn't affected your ten years of contribution in the eight years it has existed. I would prefer that the page validation is restored before you respond again, that is not cool. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 10:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I switch back Page:Le Corbeau (traduit par Stéphane Mallarmé).djvu/8 to green but fr:Page:Le Corbeau (traduit par Stéphane Mallarmé).djvu/8 was already green (and since 2007, you only create the duplicate here in 2010). What should we do now? Keep both duplicates? That's not how bilingual books are usually treated on Wikisources, why making an exception for this one? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I see the onus being on objectors to the existence of a duplicate text. I can honestly only think of one excuse and it is an unsatisfactory reason or I would not have created the text here, because I take my contributions to main spaces of wikimedia very seriously and think my credibility is dependent on it, that is, I am not trying to make a point or interfere with others legitimate contributions. :| Thank you for agreeing to restore the validation status. — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Duplication is bad in itself and should be avoided. Treating similar text in different ways should also be avoided. Finally, putting the French text on both French and English Wikisource make the bilingual view look -at best- strange (the two texts are not in parallel anymore). Do you really want to keep it that way? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 12:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not seeing a rationale, but I will read this again tomorrow and see if I discover this "bad" consequence. Without checking, I don't see how the always erratic bilingual view would be a concern if the text is localised (Although always someone insisting on more elaborate solutions). I would like to focus on something else now, and would prefer if you continued this discussion in a day or two. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 13:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * hi again. Is this is still regarded as a problem for our example?  I appreciate that it conflicts with a function that offers parallel texts, however, my current opinion is that side-by-side view is redundant when the original text provides both. There may a benefit in arranging the text to the format of the source at each language site, but mutual tranclusion would only be valuable when that is not provided (such as a work that translates another 'standard text'). There are two principles I did not mention, preserving the arrangements of the physical text (integrity, not printing constraints) and allowing access and reuse (that is, simple, unadorned and portable) when creating and displaying our transcripts. — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 05:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Stumbled across
some works by Edward Atkinson Hornel at Commons while looking for a painting to accompany a poem. I was not familiar with the artist. Perhaps it is because his style of painting reminds me of illustrations from various works that have been added to WS... some are quite sweet; anyhow, they brought me here, so thought I'd share. Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The early works are lovely, and very reminiscent of the most memorable illustrations included in our collaborations; it was a golden age in the quality of illustration in affordable prints. I think I saw a piece in U.K., and may have seen the name in connection with Arts and Craft movement which had a foothold in Scotland (and the US, sort of), but you would already be a fan if you have seen it. Thanks for reintroducing me, I'm having another look at the series Geishas In A Japanese Garden and on, the period's ultra-fashionable fascination with things Japanese is always a delight. A nice digression from the sobering texts I'm immersed in, and I prefer to remember to take a break, so if there is something I can read and validate here then feel free to remind me of another task I've left undone. — CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Not left undone, but since you ask, there is a Repplier essay ("The Pietist") in Index:A happy half-century and other essays.djvu that I can not validate as having proofread myself. But only at your leisure, for I still have a ways to go validating the rest of the work. Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Nop seems to be working just fine, but then your words are often beyond my ken :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well that is not good news, it is not my aim to be obscure. The number of returns before the template seems to have changed again. The template performs no operation (nop) except stopping the empty line/s before it from being ignored by the software. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 05:18, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You are not obscure, but I may be dim. All I can attest to is whether the template appears to be doing its perceived (by me) job—without my understanding why or how. It seems to be doing its job in the Main, no? Londonjackbooks (talk) 07:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Took me a cup of coffee and a pão com chouriço... Yes, it performs its function with no line breaks, apparently ;) Londonjackbooks (talk) 08:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The poem survived archiving, I see. I am fond of it :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:26, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Links
Why would you unlink something that was being transcribed at the time? And why is leaving a redlink better? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, it just occurred to me I haven't seen you around in a long time. I hope all is well. Best wishes for the new year. -Pete (talk) 01:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Ha, I'm jumping on the bandwagon. I hope all is well too. Londonjackbooks (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hoy, nice to hear from you both. And wishing all a prosperous year ahead. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

blue fairy, blue decompose, png
The last time I looked at the blue fairy images, they were png and by you (as uploader). Now they aren't. I remember this very clearly because I was considering redoing them, but they were fine. Good even, if great can be reserved for more current software.

The png at the commons are no longer uploaded by you! I am a fan and I was pretty sure I could identify the method. I am not the confused here....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi RaboKarbakian. I remember doing some of the images for Lang's Fairy books, most of my efforts were on Jacob's tales if that was what you were thinking of. I could search my contribs if you are sure it was the Blue Fairy (and not yer not on the Absinthe ;-). My efforts with image manipulation are pretty crude, I just learned a trick or two from someone. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 22:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:Welcome
While I applaud the idea of perhaps finding a better image for this template, the image you chose is of an English model dressed up as a Greek priestess of Apollo, so neither the woman depicted nor the subject is literary. Given that we are the English Wikisource, a woman of literary standing would be appropriate, especially one who wrote in English, but the portrait of the "Cumaean Sibyl" does not fit either of these criteria. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * An interesting reading of the image, I had other sybils in mind, less frenzied and Greek, which are literary in a way. I see the model too, as I mentioned to someone here, but expect most would see an image of a person writing. I only liked it better than the last one, it has been around a while now. Finding something else is tricky if I'm limited to criteria of women of literary standing who wrote in English, that terrible photo of Dickinson, a morbid association in Woolf or Plath, or one of Gertrude Stein! I'll keep looking for something more welcoming. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 04:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The image you've chosen at right has possibility, since it is tied to reading, but as a welcome image it might be seen as patronizing, since it is of a small child. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Some thoughts below, I like the Heath-Robinsonian mechanism in the 1802 image. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 08:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd say that the first two images are rather abstract. Neither is easily identifiable.  The third is better, but that fact that it is both horizontal and colorless makes it less appealing.  It is also focused on the furniture rather than the people.  The current image and the one displayed at right focus on the person rather than the furniture.  Designing is hard. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Very hard. I took some inspiration from your reply earlier today, and looked through some commons cats for readers and writers in art, and some other notions that all landed in dead ends. If you have a favourite style or period in art, that would help to narrow my searches. I'm favouring the idea of something designed for reproduction, a la the 'golden era' of illustration, and thought Wilcox's image of a child engrossed in reading is a trope that would be resonant with the greater number of readers (and I like it the more I look at it). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I do have styles and periods I favor. I know something of Roman mosaics, Dutch masters, botanical illustrations, and medieval illustrated manuscripts, but I do not think they would suit the template in question. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not directly suitable perhaps, but those are something to work with (I've spent a lot of time looking at the Dutch masters, probably know more about botanical illustration though, mosaics are something I want to learn about). Cheers, CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:14, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I re-analysed what made the current image so durable, and propose that I am getting somewhat closer with the image at right: CYGNIS INSIGNIS 18:40, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It has potential, yes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm. How and why is it unconstructive to suggest to have a conversation about the community's welcome template on the corresponding template's talk page? Am I not entitled to ask for that to be the place for such a conversation? I was reminding my fellow administrator that they should be taking those conversations to that place, rather than continuing them on a user's talk page. Where would you like such a request to be made? — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It would be good if we could have these conversations on Template talk:Welcome so the community can be involved, and not have random changes and reversions to the template. These resolutions on user talk pages are problematic. — billinghurst  sDrewth  01:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I restored the comment. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no reason we can't have a preliminary discussion here to determine (a) what qualities would make for a good image, and (b) select one or more possible candidates. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Celtic Tales
You want me to leave this alone? If so, it is not any problem with me.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, if you want to improve on my earliest attempts at image cleanup then overwrite the file, but there is no shortage of similar texts to create here. Very impressed with the Walter Crane work, his black and white work is better than most of the colour work. Please don't change regular images from the default size in works that are 'done', that overrides the readers and transcribers preferences. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I will leave them alone. I have redone all of them and was going to fill out the wikidata as well, and I will leave all of that as dead as I found it.  None of the png from the project I have looked at had your name attached, and no one I saw seems to have been active recently.  Also, I made and uploaded jpg as png makes the work impossible to deliver via email to my ereader (file weight problems), so uploading into the namespace is not an option.  Your work from 2009 never had gray corners so, I don't know the reason you are claiming this.  If I remember correctly, your Blue Fairy images had some spots that only a critical eye would find.  I leave it as I found it.  Kind of dead, blanks only at wikidata, unusable on my ereader.  I am sorry to have interfered.  And I see now the reason that many editors do not appreciate quick validation.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It might be the case that the Celtic volume was done by another, I completed the rest of the set. Some of my image recover was done on an old laptop, using that screen messed up my efforts in later works. PNG is the better format for images of this type, it is a shame your method of pushing to your ereader makes that 'impossible' but that is not a good reason to change to jpg (I suspect a workaround is available to you). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:03, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not touch English Fairy Tales which is your work. It was/is beautiful work.  In truth, SVG is far better than any other for these images.  I too had the mindset that PNG for simple images, but they don't scale so well and thumbnails "look" soft and I don't know if GIMP is using full-sized thumbnails, but I had a 2.2 kb jp2, I cropped it and saved as png, nothing else.  50+M (I think it was 54M) of non-alpha png.  Imagine what adding the alpha channel would have done!!!!  1000s of times bigger!  So, I have recently even ceased uploading the originals as png until I can install pngcrunch.  Another evolution I have undergone, is to make the final edited version as jpeg, which is only lossy if you keep running it through libjpeg.  The artifacts make the lines crisper.


 * It would be just great, imo, if the exporter would convert images as it is formating for ereaders. A 5M restriction on email is not such a bad thing if the device has only 8G available.  It is the job for these books, to look great online and to install into ereaders or to make pdf for printers.  I checked the exporter and it is just taking the images given to it.  gutenberg doesn't accept png, btw, which might be the start of my re-thinking png.  I left an example of someone elses work in a gallery.... (pasted here)


 * They required the jpg for use as the Featured image. Page loading concerns, and look at the thumbnails!  Really look, without bias.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ta, this is interesting, I will digest all of what you say and let you know what I think. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:31, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Reverts.
Your revert reinstated mismatched or unbalanced P tags:- https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_iron_heel.djvu/279&oldid=11412575

All opening tags must be paired with a closing tag. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

portal vs transclusion
I had the fairy books transcluded into Andrew Lang's page, (for wikidata, they don't like id links ie, link#something) which was its own problem as it was probably confusing at first glance. That was deleted and a portal made, while not being confusing, it is not easily known.

Just so you know Portal:Andrew Lang's Fairy Books.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that, I doubt I will do much for those volumes, which contain a lot of fine work, because Lang irks me. Regarding our image discussion above, I have the notion that jpg is good for photos and colour, but I use png for monochrome (black or sepia) images, ornaments and so on. Is what I'm doing recently suffering for the file types I select? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 23:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, no suffering by me. And the one I looked at was only 5kb.  I tried a different compression setting, default is 9 (no units given) and I tried 6 and the png was even bigger.  Are you using pngcrush or something similar?


 * I have been making gif lately. I was/am such a snob due to some political anti-UNISYS friends and also the 1990's internet, but, I also recently bought some animated books for my ereader and wow! are they kind of fun!


 * I mention this because, I really think you should help me with these. My favorite so far is this one, that is the first one I considered "keeping it simple" with.  Some will make useful animations, but they are also being complicated to make.  How to make certain stitches, for instance, like this and also some sewing machine.  There are 10 volumes, so the goofy fashion pics are not all done yet, for sure!


 * Please consider helping me with this. I have been giving some of the newer transformation tools a whirl, I had no reason to use them until this.  They are kind of neat and I am looking forward to getting better with them.  I have been enjoying letting my inner snob take a vacation for this, maybe one of those reasons will suit you also!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I use GIMP, which defaults to "9" for compression and I'm told that is virtually lossless. Nevertheless, the file size still expands out for some reason, unless lots of noise is removed. Your dressing for an ocean voyage is cute as, the symmetry of the image is making it work, you could have switch legs too (maybe the skirt of the coat flapping slightly to emphasize the caption :) What you are proposing is a very interesting idea, quite sincerely, however, my inner wonk is going to insist this is wikibook project, but an admin has validated it so what can I say. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 04:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I just cropped a 4000x6000px jp2 (1.1M) into something more like 4000x3000 pxs and saved as PNG. GIMP made that 1.1M jp2 into a 8.7M png. 8 times bigger, simply by cropping it to 2/3s of the original size.  Lets see what the uncropped save produces.... 20M!  1.1M to 20M is stretching the idea of lossless!  Thumbnail, background color and transparent pixels were all toggled off in my efforts to make a reasonable sized png.


 * The first person to suggest that I consider using jpg rather than png was tigert; you can take my words lightly but you don't have permission to take tigerts suggestion lightly. Lossless is good for images which might need further work done to them.  You make final images (you make really good final images, even).  And you protect them (and the work of others) as if they are final images.  So, PNG is like unbaked cookie dough that you put in the freezer, and jpg is like the baked cookies, plated, on the table.  Every format has its place and purpose.


 * And about the other, please take some time and consider. My serious projects are still serious and this is not so unserious that I am changing the message or the purpose of the images.  It's a break, and a fun one.  Some of GIMPs newer tools are really cool!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

my edits to anything you are working on
I did that list in only one version so one undo will do it. I was "iffy" about interfering there anyways.

It's funny, isn't it? I think your png are too weighty for books and you think that the dotted toc which I so admire is too weighty.

This new book of yours, from the New York Library? If so, it is so backwards! They saved jpg at 97% quality and called them "raw jpeg". You are manipulating them into great finished products and saving that as lossless png.

Raphäel Quintet made the jpg plug-in so that it would maintain the quality of any jpeg it opens. He started to work on the XMP plug-in (which he never finished) and while investigating how to get information from the images themselves (for XMP) and discovered that jpeg thing. It was quite the breakthrough back then!

Sorry to cause you to "undo" something!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: Papé
Thanks for the Author: fiddling. I was introduced to Papé through Rackham, though I had a hard time finding more of Papé’s work. The Russian Story Book looks very pretty; I may hop in for some proofreading in the near future. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

losing your blacks
I was looking at Page:The Russian story book, containing tales from the song-cycles of Kiev and Novgorod and other early sources.djvu/8, and you lost your black.

I have a formula that will help with the Levels dialog. Pick a white and a black with the dropper (what should be black and should be white). Just once each with the droppers. Then flip the dialog to "Red". The two sides should add up to 255, the difference can then be reflected in the gamma (grey dropper) by putting it directly and numerically (and in hundreths) into the tool--don't even try to use the dropper. Maybe you have 254 and 16, 270-255 that is +15 and a simple 1.15 goes into the gamma box. If you have 234 and 13, that is 247-255 or -8, so .92 goes into the gamma box, because it counts back from 1 (1.00 - .08). Do the same thing for "Green" and "Blue". It is like a color number line and this adjustment gets the other colors to recover from the black and white picking.

It doesn't always work. I have had particular trouble with the blue channel and sometimes it is better just to leave the blue channel as it is, making the adjustments to the others only or manually (with eyes and somewhat random adjustments to the slider). And another problem is if the color picking makes too large of a number for the differences, but even then, I am surprised at how often that works. I question my eyes on these occasions and sometimes my display but that is a symptom of how often it does work.

So, some math, which seems cumbersome at first but becomes second nature after a time. And some "trust your eyes" when this method fails.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You could show me the difference with this jp2 source, I've been using the last method with slight adjustments on 'levels …'; don't forget to save in jpig. Most anything else I try gives a weird effect, I notice it is quite different to manipulating actual photographs and bear in mind the source data is actually just copies of copies.  Note that the coloration of the original illustration is quite intense, like those russian ikons or whatever they are called.  CYGNIS INSIGNIS 19:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I got a queasy feeling when I looked at the original. If you want to argue that the horse is brown and not black with me, you will win.  Also, I autoleveled first and I always do this lately and I forget to mention that.


 * They are wonderful images. I am quite jealous of your project.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, I had to change the picker size to one pixel to get the one white spot on the knee.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * commons:File talk:Russian Story Book-0008.jpg It is all about the color of the horse. And I clearly lost more color than you did. And I lost detail from behind the leg.  But mine has a greater difference in the colors (the brown of the dog against the grass, for instance).  Except that this was fun, it is probably a waste of your time.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * [ec] I quickly checked the colour again after posting, is brown (deep chestnut). I was wondering about where one would pick white : ) And yes, they are effective images in their context. The stories are fine too, the subject matter is pretty wild: check out The Russian story book/Vasily the Turbulent for a non-heroic sociopath. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 20:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Charles Marelle or Charles Marelles?
Q60796027 I think it is the same.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Charles Marelle or Charles Marelles, seems reasonable, I see both attributed to the same works when I google. I am adding contributors to subpages where Lang is not too vague, and thought of starting a list of for the mystery translators (daughters of peers I suppose). Also, while I have your attention, there are some later coloured works published by Mrs Lang after the demise of Mr., and H. J. Ford seems to get better as the years go on. CYGNIS INSIGNIS

Re: ref follow
Moving it to the top of the page was my preference, but it did need to be moved. Where you had it, it created a new line in the mainspace: so, on transclusion, “this case, however,” (from the next page) was a new paragraph, and “In” (at the bottom of this page) was the end of a paragraph. While it could be moved to the end of the paragraph, as I said, I prefer it to be at the top of the paragraph. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 17:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t know what you mean by “one word in,” but I do (and it seems that he also does) move the  to the top of the page. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

red fairy book
Sorry. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 11:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please, don't be, there is a lot of joy to be had here and other wikimedia sites. On consideration, the most useful thing I have to offer is something I learned at wikipedia, 'if you are doing it right then nobody says a word'. I can plod away at an article there, or work here, with a considerable amount of effort and time, and know that the only response will be a somewhat disconcerting silence. This is not satisfactory to many people, maybe most, but I'm a compulsive volunteer and like sharing what I'm reading and discover. Someone who was invited here, because of their care and integrity, said, "I thought wikipedia was addictive, this is Heroin". CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: The_olive_fairy_book/Madschun
I’ve created the above page, but I’m not sure how to link it to the Index. I’ve also created the link to the next story - The Blue Parrot. What do I put under previous link -- the previous link is front matter. kathleen wright5 (talk) 00:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, and if you need an Administrator you know where to find me. kathleen wright5 (talk) 06:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

audio file placement
Greetings! It seems to me the audio file on this page should be in the notes, but it looks even worse there... Any suggestion as to where it should be placed? Or just leave it as it is? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Maybe?: | notes   =

I opted for the above, but still open to other options. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hoy, a nice surprise! That is as good an option as any, but separating them as other versions is worth considering. I've never been tempted to listen to those files, but have wondered about the best way to display them; our header is a strange beast in its presentation. I've been finding lots of blue links to works you've completed, I don't need to check the history to recognise your fine work. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 05:50, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

better without much work

 * Just a few thoughts this morning.
 * Given a choice of "mine" or "yours", I would pick yours. I am glad you have some good scans. Rackhams editions are often different from each other also.
 * It might be psychological, but I feel like I have less to work with when I start with a jpg, that the colors are already "thin". The scans from NYPL had a lot to do with my "final product" ideas about jpg.
 * The blue channel "trick" works on some scans from the California Library collection, usually ending in "ala", iirc.
 * Any "go back in time story" I imagine has me (along with some personal crap) going to NYPL and begging them to please save to tiff or png or jp2.


 * I am having problems with a couple of pieces of software, GIMP being one of them. So, not being in the mood for image work is working very well with my current situation.  My mouse stops working right.  This, being a new condition and not due to any software updates has me looking at the modules this computer has installed which are not necessary for "this" computer.  GIMP isn't such a great software without the mouse.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Repplier's Under Dispute (1924)
This now seems to be in the public domain. Maybe after my current proofread. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:05, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If only for the sake of completeness. I found something else recently, think I added it to their author page if you are curious. I wont recommend the current stories I doing, and the plates are just okay. There is a mystery about the headpieces that keeps me interested, the style and signature "F.R.B." seem familiar. Is your work interesting? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 23:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am currently in the process of seeking completeness with my current proofread. Wilder's writing is often complicated for me, but I come across some lines that speak to me. I may come across more yet. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:33, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

At a page break you have last line of stanza. is it not last line of stanza. anymore? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 00:21, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Should be two lines... My keyboard must not have been behaving. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you point to it please? Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:28, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Think I got it, thanks; unless there were more. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:34, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You did :) I was worried it had changed again. Please pardon the lack of link, I had to dash out between hail storms. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 02:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Re:distribution of our effort

 * [rethreaded] Hi Kathleen, thanks for doing a second proofread on the indexes I am working on, in particular the typos and scannos I don't see the first time around. I am wondering if you would like to collaborate on a work that you are interested in: I can do images, and any other bits and pieces, and 'validate' (second proofreading) the text corrections you are so good at. The fiddly parts, like setting up a new work, I can probably manage for you. Checks are still welcome, although I feel that some of the works I do are not appropriate reading for some Christian readers. What do you think? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 10:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I hope you don’t mind me checking your user rights. I saw you delete some pages and thought that was an admin only thing. I see you were promoted to autopatroller and admin by Zhaladshar in 2009. Why is your name not in the list at Administrators? I don’t mind editing fairy tales because in them good always destroys evil in the end. I’m an Adherent member of The Salvation Army -- the other type of membership for laypeople is Soldier - Portal:Salvation Army. My computer is a 27" iMac, so its very easy to find mistakes and my timezone is GMT + 9:30 South Australia (10:30) Daylight Saving. There is one thing you could help with atm -- images for Index:The Holy Bible, containing the Old & New Testament & the Apocrypha.djvu and maybe some of the Proofread pages. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 12:18, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I copied my comment back here to keep the discussion in one place. I am not able to delete pages, due to other discussions and votes, I can link the publicly available parts if you like. Do you mean undo, revert or otherwise change an edit made by someone, such as yourself, who does have sysop tools? Fairy tales can be complicated, I've been thinking about the storyteller in the thousand nights and one night: its important to note that she is trying to save her own life by telling the ruler what they want to hear and believe, not what is just. I'll have a look at the images, biblical illustrations is yet another thing I'm interested in. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 20:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: “warned”
It’s called the “Table of contents” field for a reason. It’s for the contents. Not for the illustrations. If you want your third opinion, I’ll go to WS:AN—but that would be a waste of your time, wouldn’t it? By the way, what do you mean by “mark as to be changed?” I proofread that page; no part of it is “not proofread.” TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Didn't log in to debate with someone trolling, so no more so. Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Explanation of my revert
Hello. If you have any issue against an admin it should not be discussed under the nomination of a completely different person. The nomination section serves to discuss the nominee. If you have anything against an admin, you can raise it at AN, RfC or at Scriptorium. It would be great if you also backed your accusations with some evidence. I am going to revert it again and I do ask you not to edit war about this issue. Thank you for understanding. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Accusations in admin nominations
[Edit conflict with Jan above]

Firstly, the nomination of a user is not the place to air grievances against a third user. If you would like to warn others that there is an open grievance against the third user, you should first open such a process and simply link to that.

Secondly, if you do wish to start such a process, please feel free to, as it is important that no user feels discriminated against. However, such a process should be backed by evidence of why you are making such an accusation, otherwise it would be simply a personal attack. If you would like to make this process public, the correct forum is probably WS:AN, possibly with a notice at WS:S if you would like wider input from non-admins (not everyone watches WS:S. If you are proposing a vote of confidence in an admin, that can be triggered if three established users support the need for one, and will be passed on a simple 50% + 1 majority.

If you do not feel comfortable with discussing this in the open or discussing it in private with the user in question and/or do not have faith in the local community to police such a process, there is also the WMF Trust and Safety team that you can contact. Inductiveload— talk/contribs 14:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

New Texts
No "New Texts"?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * When something is really good I am tempted, but tend not to add them. By the way … "'tards"? I suppose the term edge-lord is old-hat, but you know what I'm getting at. Be well. Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Accusations of racism
You have been asked several times by several administrators in the past to provide evidence if you're going to make accusations of racism towards Billinghurst, which you have done yet again in an edit summary on M-le-mot-dit's talk page (I have hidden that edit summary from public view). Accusations, especially of something as atrocious as bigoted behavior, should never be directed at someone in a public setting on WMF sites, unless there is at least some indication provided that the accusations are accurate, to which you have still provided none. Not only is it insulting to the accused, but it can potentially harm their reputation, needlessly so if the accusation is completely untrue (which we will assume if you don't provide evidence). Furthermore, you've been told that WS:AN is a far more appropriate place to bring up concerns you have with admins, and you are bringing it up in blatantly inappropriate spaces. You have had plenty of time, and been given plenty of suggestions, so we know you ought to know better. Your accusations are personal attacks, in every instance, and it is unacceptable. If you continue to make accusations without evidence in irrelevant discussion forums, you may be blocked from editing. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for gazumping...
Author:Herbert Ernest Augustus Furst. Apologies, I should have checked given your previous concerns. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Which 'previous concerns'? Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Not my day... The previous concerns seemed to be by Beeswaxcandle. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * as collaborator / monitor / patroller / wha'eva … links to authors from ToC: I was told, but have not followed, the advice that linking the author name-space from a works ToC is unquestionably the thing to do. Do I owe you an apology? / sincerely Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a wiki, the more links the better. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

ball of confusion
"Wow", I thought, "now, why am I looking at this?""Ohmygod, it is terrible!" And maybe some associated motion sickness. Respectfully,--RaboKarbakian (talk) 06:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a cool image, I have tried to guess before drilling down for answers, thinking it is spookily purposeful in design. Maybe I have seen one as a prop in a b-grade horror film. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a "sunshine recorder" it was in my weather book. The real ones look like crystal balls. They burn a line on graph paper, hence, recording the sunshine.  I think "B-rated horror movie" is more like it though....

USA reconstruction
This is just something else to keep your eye out for. After the USA Civil War, which was (unfortunately, really) more about being a Nation, or being a bunch of individual pieces (like Europe, really), the Federal Gov't as it exists now began to be. Slavery was an issue along with the railroad and how much the gov't at the top could dictate to the individual states, etc. Okay, so to the subject about books, in the early 1890's the Fed mandated public education and started setting standards (grades and laws about attendance and truancy, etc) and most importantly providing start-up money for it, including school libraries and text books. I see this huge publication bubble that peaked out in 1897, '98 which is not necessarily of quality publications, but some are. Reprints of illustrations and cooperative publishing. Probably the firming up of relations between US and London publishers, started around then.

I would like that my country did stuff for ethical reasons, but more often than not, the truth is that they do things for economic reasons. Our transcontinental railroad was a huge argument, for and against, for instance, where it joined being part a big part of the start of our Civil War. Both sides arguing (however indirectly) about money. Social issues are mostly just war noise, I think. But, I am rambling away from the subject of publications....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * That's very interesting, at least the part about libraries, it is a period I am focused on and hadn't considered the state's role in publication in that socio-political system (I've just been re-reading about the Scopes Trial, and still remain astonished by that and the history of US politics). Cygnis insignis (talk) 16:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Pierre Jules Théophile Gautier
Hi - I amended the links so that they point directly to the author page, rather than via a redirect. Can't see why you're undoing them. Chrisguise (talk) 11:42, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I gave a reason, it is not broken, you haven't, in your edit summary when you reverted me without discussion, or in your statement here, which is to say it is, somehow, broken. Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * link to result of exhaustive discussion given
 * also, changing format at one page of work
 * diffs Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:59, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

1914 Bookman
That file has a link to the whole volume at Hathitrust. In the commons:Category:The Bookman (London)/Volume 49 I uploaded every ad that mentioned AR or Dulac, both have a featured plate in the issue. Hmm, why to read the Christmas ads from 1915 London? They did not write much about them, but they wrote about AR in another issue and maybe they might have something about Dulac also. Some of those mags have indexes that span the whole publication but bad scans of old mags are falling out of my ears right now so I was lucky to remember the name for the uploads....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I read one of the ads you mentioned last time and was sold! … it's the thing I'm working on now, I think, or it led me to that, and it is not the first time that has happened. Are you planning to get the portrait of Dulac up? I don't remember seeing it around when I gathered up the contemporary reviews for the artist (who is relevant to some other interests, rather than—anything more than—quite good (not an AR)). Cygnis insignis (talk) 04:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean the one in that scan? I can do that right now, but if you find the better version then be certain to upload over that one!  Hathi has good search which means good ocr, which typically means bad art scans....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm just looking at IA now, which has some of issues. I'll see it that one is around. Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's got a bad case of moire. Not the worst I have seen, but pretty bad regardless.  The scan was saved mode-->grayscale which is better than indexed for sure, but is fairly fat compared to its desaturated rgb twin.... File:Bookman, Volume 49-347.jpg I will keep my eye out for a better one.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * One source is a set of microfilm, there is a collection @ https://archive.org/details/pub_bookman … that is as far as I have got so far. Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * … and unwillingly to mention the other gems I found, there is a general index at https://archive.org/details/bookman50unkngoog/page/n11/mode/2up that is navigable, Arthur Ransome is near enough? Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Plates request and more
First of all, see: https://archive.org/details/dreamerofdreams00sylv which is also File:The dreamer of dreams (IA dreamerofdreams00sylv).pdf

That has a better scan of File:Bookman, Volume 49-0361.png which I want for a gallery page for the plates in that magazine, at the commons. I am here asking you because you have done all of the Dulac restorations and perhaps you would like to do this one (or all of the plates for that book, even). Or, I can do it--it is your call.

The more, is that I found a short story illustrated by Dulac in a mag; I have no idea if it was republished elsewhere, etc. Heck, right now, I cannot even remember the mag I got it from. If you are very interested in that, I will look for it (in yesterdays downloads) and upload it. If you are somewhat to not interested, I will upload it when I get to it--so, also your call.

So two things I need from you: --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Will you do that Dulac plate?
 * 2) Do you want the short story now?
 * doing the first bit now Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 2ndly yeah, that might need to be jpg Cygnis insignis (talk)
 * [interject] I meant to mention Index:Robert Louis Stevenson - a Bookman extra number 1913.djvu was the one I found and kept hush about, 90/10 for worthwhile content. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I noticed the work by a Royal, a bit wary of plodding through a text for the admittedly excellent examples of Dulac's work [esp. the frontispiece, perhaps the earliest of that that is their 'own' style]. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * They also featured File:Edmund Dulac's picture-book for the French Red Cross - color plate 03.jpg but they did it in half-tone and mentioned that in the blurb. See File:Bookman, Volume 49-0405.png, it was tif turned to png, maybe you could do that also?  I thought they had scanned it gray, but half-toning is a whole different art form....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * it's very tricky, halftone, and I dont know where to stop with the lushness in the coloration. Some of the results were of the process were excellent, many are brash and gaudy … a selling point to the purchaser/gift-giver? Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The Bookman (London), Vol. 49--Full page plates <--what I got so far. Half-tone replace engraving for turning color images into black and whites for publishing purposes (I can't think of other reasons to do this). Everything is good and bad.  Half-toning came out of the photographic process (I think) and probably takes a fraction of the time that producing an engraving takes.  So that is good.  Probably a fraction of the people needed to be employed to do this, so that is not so good (for people).  Personally, I want to cry when I see half-toned color printing, after so much work with the lithographs.  But, the technology and the evolution of the processes, well, I can dry my eyes on that....


 * I'm a gonna check your uploads to see if you are done with that now.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)




 * Very nice, but it is 'Stoughton' not 'Stroughton', nor Stodder and Houghton as I found recently at the big sister. I'm reading w:Halftone and a work you were involved, Japanese Wood Engravings: my png could be lighter, but thought the jaggy effect in the other format was particuarly noticeable. Not so much with the crows, which is my favourite piece in the work so far. Cygnis insignis (talk) 04:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Everything you said about the engravings -- I cannot argue, only agree. Also, I looked at the spelling of H & S at least twice, thinking that something was wrong and just (I guess) not seeing it.  So, thanks for that.  And HT, it shows up in USA printing after the war.  I watched an online thingie about lithography,  It is like making potato stamps, only instead of a potato, they used sheets of limestone.  And instead of gouging at a vegetable surface, they used wax (crayons) to cover the stone they wanted to keep and then an acid wash to lower the surface of the non-paint parts.  It looked "difficult".  Engravings "stepped up" in quality when they stopped using wood and started using copper; finer lines.


 * Truly, when I was sorting through the fairy tales and datafying them, your Robinson line-drawings in particular was like optical silk on my eyes. Some photography of flower petals does the same thing to me.  I could describe the experience as "visual drinking" or well, words fail.  I get it from my work also, btw.  Spelling, going downhill since 8th grade.  I was great at it then.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 06:17, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Heath, or Charles, they are both good. I have a couple of books that use a recent digital system to show a flower in close up with full depth of field, it's very effective, Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Robinson Batten.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, he is even better @RaboKarbakian Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * can you describe the path in gimp to select an elliptical object and convert the rest to white or transparent? I've done it before, but unable to recall how I did. Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:27, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Elliptical select (or any, really) the item to remain. Select-->Invert.  Edit-->Clear.  For "white" background, remove alpha from the layer and make sure white is the background color in the toolbox.  For transparency, add alpha to the layer (all of alpha adding and removing is via layers dialog).  Is this a test or a password?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * indeed, you were supposed to respond "the ravens by moonlight do not sing" And thanks, will see if that triggers the memory. Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I wasn't planning this, but I made this for Vol. 63 and then I looked to see if it was here. One of these versions has more detail than the other. Not seeing jaggies either. Nicely cropped border too.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I hope I can do better eleven years later, but still think jpg looks too crisp, sort o' 'sparkly', for b&w; I assume that result is what you prefer. Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * 10 years and 2 months. I saw your uploads then; commons "recent uploads" used to be as interesting as TV, which does not say much about either, really.  I maybe should have right then started doing the images for the Curtis Botanical, I did not "get it" though. But about jpg vs png: Sometimes the "smooth" that you pointed out in the first woodcut goes past smooth and into "soft".  I like to see detail in thumbnails.  A couple of times, my orchid collection did not scale well and looked like waffles.  Wikimedia had this problem.


 * And then there is that whole "end use" thing. Deep down, I am mostly utilitarian.  You?  You prefer it to error in the soft?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:46, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In a sense, yes. Perhaps that identifies an underlying concern I entertain, plates do suffer wear and I don't wish to compensate for that in a transcription (transmutation) of the source. However, I will replace images from a different source for the same plates, clearly identifying that is what happened as a note somewhere. Ultimately, if a reader is interested in an image they will click on it, how it renders as a thumb, sharp over dull (soft), is something I would consider as uploader and overlooking the set. I am more likely to fret about any work I do in gimp to 'improve' the image. And, I think, the reuse of the png by conversion to jpg would be more successful than the reverse. "So it goes", a reference I expect you know :) Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)