User talk:Beleg Tâl

Cruikshank images
I noticed that you were futzing with Ingoldsby. Those images (mostly) were first published in a magazine and then into a book and then into more books. If you do not mind using the same images but from a different publication commons:Category:The Ingoldsby legends (1848, Scribner and Welford) (some scrolling is necessary) are available! (not sure about the spelling of Cruikshank)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Ballad and folk song categorization
I don't entirely understand the system, and I'm hoping you can help me. I believe that ballads must have lyrics and folk songs don't have to; is this correct? Are all folk songs with lyrics ballads? traditional ballads? Are all traditional ballads folk songs? Should we have a category for ballad melodies which don't necessarily have lyrics and aren't folk songs, like many of the tunes in The Dancing Master? (Unless all of those tunes are folk songs; I don't know.) —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 04:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I think that ballads are a type of folk song. I'm no expert and usually I'll just use the terminology of whatever I'm dealing with (e.g. the songs in The English and Scottish Popular Ballads are ballads because that's what the book is called). I'm not really sure what's going on with The Dancing Master, but it looks like most of them are melodies associated with folk songs, and some of those folk songs are probably considered ballads, I guess? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 04:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I found this definition of a ballad on Wikidata, which I quite like: (d:Q182659) "short narrative poem which is written to be sung and has a simple but dramatic theme" —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Another thought, with regard to The Dancing Master—it is my personal habit, and I think it is a good habit, to separate versions of a work's text and versions of a work's tune on versions page where they are published separately. For example, see Adeste Fideles. It looks like this might come up a lot with The Dancing Master and I think it would be quite confusing if textless melodies and melodyless texts were all thrown into the same list together. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a good point, and I will start working on that for Lay by your pleading and Greensleeves when I have time. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 23:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not all ballads are folk songs; a ballad is essentially a story in song. Folk ballads are folk songs that are ballads, but there are also rock ballads in modern rock music, and some ballads have been written in other musical genres.  --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Lost Face (London collection)
Please repair the book. You broke the table of contents. This may be true for other works you've moved as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, please do not move audio without first checking that all editions are identical. In this case, there was significant revision following the initial publication, so the audio will not apply to all editions. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The audio is from Short Story Collection Vol. 003, not Lost Face (1910), so idk why you think it must be associated with that edition specifically —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The audio differs significantly from the serialized publication. I have checked the first collection publication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ok, whatever, do as you like —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The "Short Story Collection 003" was not a physical publication; it is a collection assembles by LibriVox from various sources. If we restrict the audio from Short Story Collection 003 to association only with that specific release, then there will be no text present, only audio.  We have no mechanisms nor policies yet for hosting audio-only publications. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Author page creation.
Thanks very much for your correction, I will effect it. However, before I will edit and publish another one would you be happy to guide me ? But, is there any of them I did well so I can use it as an example?

Thanks once again. Onwuka Glory (talk) 16:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Here is an author page that you created a couple of years ago, that you did a very good job with: Author:Antanas Lalis
 * I suspect that you might be having trouble because you are using the Visual Editor. I recommend that you turn it off. You can do this as follows:
 * Go to Special:Preferences
 * Click on the "Editing" tab
 * Make sure that the setting "Enable the visual editor" is disabled
 * Click "Save" at the bottom of the page
 * Once this is done, you will be able to put the correct information into the new Author page. You will need to add the following information:
 * The header. This should load into the page automatically, and you can fill in the blanks. Make sure there is no  in the header, because this is what was breaking the pages you created before.
 * The list of works. You can use another Author page as an example.
 * The copyright tag. This is very important and goes at the bottom of the page. Usually you will use PD-US, but you can look for more relevant copyright tags at Help:Copyright tags.
 * The authority control. This is just the code  and you put it right underneath the copyright tag.
 * If you look at Author:Antanas Lalis you will see all of these components and how they work, and you can copy them from there.
 * Let me know if you have any other questions! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Lang
Why? Xover (talk) 06:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Xover Because.
 * I started out by trying to find more information about Author:Miss Cheape and Author:Miss Blackley, only to find that their author credits are woefully lacking, as are most other members of Lang's writing team, so I'm trying to fix that. For example. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How about you let me know what you tried to do with the automatic header that didn't work, and I'll see what can be done. Xover (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't try to do anything with the automatic header, because the automatic header has never (to my knowledge) supported section_author and its related fields (though if you feel like implementing those, feel free to do so) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, then let me rephrase: please let me know the parameters you would have needed. Xover (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If I were to have used the automatic header for this work, I would have needed,  ,  ,  , and  , as well as iterated forms of each ( ,  , &c.). However, in order for me to feel comfortable relying on the automatic header for individually credited subpages in general, I would expect it to support the full functionality of Module:Header/attribution data. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I will point out, however, that I don't really see the point of using the automatic header in cases where the header differs from subpage to subpage (which is always the case when the subpages have different authorship). —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are limits to what the automatic header can support similar to the old template-based header. For one thing it needs to specifically enumerate every supported parameter, unlike Module:Header that supports arbitrarily large  variants (in logic; displaying lots of them will quickly fall over). It doesn't exactly help that they need to be enumerated in multiple places either. Hopefully we can get some of these limitations removed upstream (in PRP) at some point, but for now this is what we have to work with. Xover (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's more or less what I expected. I do like the idea of automatic headers in theory, but the vast majority of the texts I work on are anthologies like this with complex attributions, so unfortunately I don't really see automatic headers as a feasible replacement for this type of work any time soon.
 * Semi-tangentially—I often manually create tables of attribution data in my sandbox (example) to ensure that all the Versions and Disambiguation and Author pages are all updated properly; and I have long had this vague idea that it would be nice to turn this into some sort of standardized structured attribution system that could then be used to populate all the Wikidata work and edition items as well. I feel like such a system would be helpful (or even necessary) for managing attribution data for automatic headers also. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Semi-tangentially—I often manually create tables of attribution data in my sandbox (example) to ensure that all the Versions and Disambiguation and Author pages are all updated properly; and I have long had this vague idea that it would be nice to turn this into some sort of standardized structured attribution system that could then be used to populate all the Wikidata work and edition items as well. I feel like such a system would be helpful (or even necessary) for managing attribution data for automatic headers also. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)