User talk:Amire80

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Gesenius
Hi, this is wonderful. When I saw that Gesenius existed here I just decided to play with it a little bit. It is going to be quite a complicated book to transcribe, but the tools you are working on look promising. I don't have a solution to the edittools problem (nor do I fully understand it), but wouldn't it be easier simply to cut and paste the masoretic words with niqqud and/or teamim, cited by Gesenius, from an online text like tanach.us (copied at he.wikisource)? To me a much bigger problem seems like the complex transliteration. I wouldn't know how to find those symbols easily. Plus the cognates from other Semitic languages.

By the way, if you were able to upload the scanned text of Gesenius without much of a problem and this sort of thing interests you, you might want to consider doing exactly the same thing for the BDB Lexicon. The proofreading process would be very similar for both books. Dovi (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I uploaded BDB: Index:A Hebrew and English Lexicon (Brown-Driver-Briggs).djvu.
 * Transcribing it properly would be harder, though. The niqqud is easier, but it includes a lot of Syriac and Ethiopic words, which would be hard; It is much bigger than GHG; The whole point of a digital dictionary is cross-referencing and searching. But of course it would be nice to have it.
 * As for GHG: If you refer to words like ʾAthnâḥ or Rebhiaʿ on GHG page, then it's not really very hard technically. Most characters with accents are available in Edittolls; i'm working on adding the rest, such as ʾ for Alef and ʿ for Ayin. I'm also working on templates for even easier transliteration. And also on tools for easier insertion of te'amim.
 * Most importantly, i'm trying to "draft" other Hebrew language students in HUJI to help me. I'm very passionate about this project :) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's great. Adding them to edittools is fine. It also might pay to create a page listing scientific transliteration of biblical hebrew, perhaps in a chart, from which one can cut and paste. Because even if they are in edittools it might be hard to identify the one you want.
 * On second thought, maybe this would be best accomplished by initially concentrating on specific pages such as this and this. Dovi (talk) 12:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I can help here and there transcribing Syriac, once again if there is a convenient place to copy and paste the letters from. Let me know. Never tried to read Ethiopic though. Dovi (talk) 12:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Summary
Hello,

When you add such summary, it doesn't help. Yann (talk) 18:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually there's a meaning behind it, but i shouldn't have expected a lot of people to understand it. Sorry about that. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Ref working
I have fixed it, info at WS:S, however, on the cause. billinghurst  sDrewth  23:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Gesenius Hebrew Grammar
Amir, thanks for the note on my talk page. Sorry for the delay in my reply.

What you have done with Gesenius is absolutely outstanding! I'm absolutely awed by the immense effort coupled with technical competence that went into editing the book.

When I took three semesters of biblical Hebrew and Aramaic years ago it would have been amazing to have a resource like this available... :-)

I'm sure that the technical infrastructure you created for representing various scripts and orthographic signs will come in handy for other future texts as well.

In addition, I saw that you have recently begun translating the grammar at Hebrew Wikisource. That too will be an amazing resource, especially if it becomes a collaborative effort maintained by Israeli language students.

Again, words cannot describe my admiration for your incredible efforts.

Happy Shushan Purim (I understand you are a Yerushalmi or at least study there), Dovi (talk) 16:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the compliments. The formatting and proofreading work on the English version is still going on, but it is already quite usable.
 * A few HUJI students translated a few chapters into Hebrew when they prepared to an exam in Morphology and agreed that i shall upload them, so soon it will find its way to he.wikisource. This is indeed a beginning of something very nice.
 * I also did a little demo of this project for the head of the Hebrew department in HUJI and she was impressed, too. Soon i plan to show it to more people in the University and elsewhere. And maybe there even will be some organized translation or proofreading effort.
 * And yes, i am Yerushalmi :) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Hebrew translated Gesenius
Where is the link? Until now, the only academic biblical Hebrew grammar in Hebrew was the translation of Bergsstrasser, and that wasn't complete. Margavriel (talk) 15:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't have it. I hope to revive this project some day, but it's far from being my focus area in the foreseeable future :( --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

GHGbible-ref
Hi. The MT at he.wikisource serves lots of very useful functions, but still needs a great deal of technical improvement. Ori has some plans to revamp how the text has been loaded, but I'm sure he would appreciate assistance, ideas and advise. Anything you could contribute would be appreciated.

Another possibility is to load a second copy of the text here at en.wikisource, from where it could be transcluded into pages containing translations, creating an online polygot.

As for the text itself, I've been thinking about how to go about modifying details of the currently available digital text found at he.wikisource (a peer-reviewed transcription of L) according to agreed-upon objective criterion along the lines of the Breuer method and Miqraot ha-Keter. Dovi (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess that i'll try to play with he:תבנית:דף של פסוק. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Response to your question
You wrote on my talk page:
 * On a more personal note, would you mind telling me how did you discover this edition? Are you studying Hebrew

The answer is, yes, I'm studying Hebrew (http://www.rtc.vic.edu.au/). I did a quick skim around, looking to figure out what the best reference works were. People said that, while Jouon and Muraoka was better on the areas it covered, Gesenius was still the most comprehensive. So I started Googling, and ended up here. My most likely contribution is to wander through and fix things as I see problems, rather than any systematic help. HTH,

-- TimNelson (talk) 23:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the reply!
 * Tell your friends about it, too. The more people see the mistakes, they faster they are corrected. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
some coding usage that may assist — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:37, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Layout issues
Hi, I don't want to clutter up the Scriptorium with tangential things, so I'll come here. You mentioned you had layout problems with a book. Could you be more specific about exactly where and what the problem is, what your ideal result would be? I could help you find a solution if you like. The layout code is a bit crufty and hasn't been well maintained, since that editor that made the system is rarely around these days. I am considering importing locally and tweaking, but I'd like to know what it is other users would prefer, and it seems you have a good idea of what it is you want. If I am slow to respond, it is because I am about to travel internationally and web access may be patchy. Inductiveload— talk/contribs  14:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar/84a (and any other chapter of that book).
 * The most immediate problem is that the paragraph numbers (number / GHGmargin-letter) are not on the margins, but mixed with the text. And of course, in such a complicated book the screen-long lines make it very difficult to read.
 * I could fix it myself using CSS tricks, but i don't quite understand why did it change in the first place and i don't want to make little local fixes. When i started formatting this book, there was class="prose", which worked perfectly, at least for this work. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. The dynamic layout code removes the effect of areas using class="prose" because that makes it impossible to apply the layout formatting. However, as you know, this caused texts which need that formatting to look acceptable to become messed up, and they only way to fix it until now has been to set the per-user layout. The default layout system proposed should fix that by allowing you to use a default layout specified by the editor (I see you have applied Layout 2, which is similar to "prose", except with the addition of sidenote handling). Could I ask if it is working to your satisfaction, and to report all bugs and suggestions to me here, at my userpage or at the Scriptorium discussion? Thank you. Inductiveload— talk/contribs  02:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Layout 2 is working well for me. Maybe even better then the original prose.
 * The only issue, and it is not very bad, is that the header (GHGheader) becomes narrow with the text. It should be page-wide. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear Layout 2 is working OK. The compression of the header by the layout is an issue for the layout system in general, and I am trying to find a way to fix it. Inductiveload— talk/contribs  13:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Digital Dead Sea scrolls
Hi. In case you haven't done so already, I am sure that you would be interested to glance at this Israel Museum Digital Dead Sea scrolls site. I was fascinated by the mere fact that, in two thousand years, the character writing style has changed so little that I can read them clearly, almost as if it were written in modern Hebrew [perhaps it was written then with Arial font as well. :-)]. — Ineuw talk 19:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hebrew Grammar
I'll only be validating pages that are already proofread, as I don't know Hebrew and don't have the specialised fonts. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 08:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Hebrew Fonts
Yes, it looks much better now, but you should also talk to a Windows user as well because my operating system is Mac OS X Lion. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * PS It looks OK in Firefox and Safari and Internet Explorer 9 (Being Mac I had to change the User Agent of Safari to use IE 9)

Поворот текста
Здравствуйте.

Вы не подскажете, можно ли, и, если можно, то как вот здесь повернуть текст на 90 градусов? Заранее спасибо. --Kaidor (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Сейчас вот поигрался со знакомыми мне трюками, и это не очень просто, но наверно возможно. Попробую ещё. Пока докопался до этого:


 * Работает только в Фаерфоксе, но можно подогнать и к другим браузерам. Если знаете CSS, можете играть дальше; погуглите "css rotate". Я сам попробую попозже. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 06:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Хм. Как всё запущено. CSS я, к сожалению, не владею. Я просто наивно полагал, что для этого есть какой-нибудь шаблон, который просто ещё не попался мне на глаза. А тут… Ну ладно. Всё равно спасибо. Буду ждать новостей. --Kaidor (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You might be able to improvise and use sidenotes. Unless someone else more knowledgeable has a better way...?  I have edited the page you linked to above, but have not proofread it since it is still in an "experimental" stage... Normally, I guess you "should" place the sidenotes begin & sidenotes end templates in the header/footer, but it seems in this case a better thing to do might be to place them just before/after the corresponding text...?  AKA Londonjackbooks 20:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * But then again, maybe not... It doesn't seem to transcribe well in the Main[space]. You might give GOIII a holler... He's more familiar with sidenotes...  AKA Londonjackbooks 20:52, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sidenotes won't really work, so I've swapped to a table. We have a rotate template, but it's experimental because the rotated text overlaps other text on the page. If you're able to solve that, then you will be popular. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for your help. After seeing all the options, I think the table is actually better in this case. At least for now. --Kaidor (talk) 20:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Cuneiform script
I copied some of your script at to create the cuneiform in the first sentence here and it seems to answer my need except for the middle character which only needs two horizontal wedges. Any ideas? Daytrivia (talk) 02:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! I'm so happy that somebody is actually using this!
 * The first and simple thing is that you don't really have to use the Wiktionary links, unless you actually want them. The Cuneiform template simply puts everything in a span tag with the "akk" language attribute - Akkadian. Now that I think of it, if you need the Cuneiform script, but think that the language is not Akkadian, just tell me and I'll fix it (it requires slightly more than just a change in the template).
 * Now, for the actual character. I don't really know a lot about the Cuneiform script. These are basically Unicode characters, just like any other. If you are going to use them, you should probably get familiar with the general description of ancient scripts encoding in the Unicode standard (pdf); You should read the introduction on pages 2 and 3 and the description of Cuneiform in section 14.17, starting on page 22. You should also download the Cuneiform code charts (search for "Cuneiform" on that page).
 * An easy way to type Cuneiform is to use Unicode character numbers like this: . "&#x" is the beginning, "01230b" is the character number and ";" always comes after it.
 * I hope it helps. If it's too complicated, please let me know! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the links and info. This is going to be fun; challenging but fun. I am sure I'll have a question or two from time to time. Thanks again. Daytrivia (talk)23:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did you get this ? I found the characters I want and experimented with them in the first sentence here but cannot get it right yet. Daytrivia (talk) 01:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way I found the ones I want here Daytrivia (talk) 01:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition to Akkadian I think I need templates for 'Old Persian' and 'Ugaritic'. Daytrivia (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Do I need to use "peo" in the template to get Old Persian? Daytrivia (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi,
 * Sorry, forgot to answer earlier.
 * We don't currently support the peo code. If it uses the same script, we can add it.
 * Can you please send me all the 3-letter language codes that use this script? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this what you mean? Daytrivia (talk) 08:34, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, this looks related. I'll study it. Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No hurry; thanks much. Daytrivia (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI and convenience I have used the following page to work with and have entered the Unicode decimal for Old Persian. Daytrivia (talk) 03:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Bug 38480
Have you seen Requests for assistance? See en.WS files bugs! BTW the metadata meeting in the Unconference was really interesting, but you should get a summary from Asaf or Daniel rather than me.--Birgitte SB  00:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't come to the unconference session - I got caught up in a heap of other things. I'll definitely speak with Asaf and Daniel. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of bugs. . . I went to put in my iPad editing issues and I am stumped. Do I list them as Mediawiki bugs? Or as Wikimedia mobile bugs? I thought mobile, but then it asked for a version in a way which makes me think it is just about the reader app. --Birgitte SB  01:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's best to file them under MediaWiki Extensions and select "Proofread Page" as component. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What about the bugs that are not particular to PP?
 * Also one of the editors here put together some notes about technical details wrt PP that I do not particularly comprehend. Could you look that over? Bugzilla is probably too harsh to be sending everyone there. (I'm not bothered by people responding to my attempts with "WTF? How stupid can you be to add extra information that does not matter?" paraphrased but I can't feel good about sending hesitant people over.) So if you could look that over and give GO3 some feedback here, I would really appreciate it.--Birgitte SB  22:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If bugs are not particular to PP, then they should probably be filed under some other component. And in some cases they shouldn't go to Bugzilla at all, because they may be caused by local customization in the English Wikisource. I hate those, but it's a fact of life :)
 * Please consult me in any doubt.
 * I'll look at GO3's page. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group
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Gesenius fixes
Hi. You sent me this: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.174.1.21&redirect=no.

I'm Margavriel. I've been doing a bunch of fixes in the Gesenius text. I have been teaching Biblical Hebrew, so I often go to your wonderful transcription in order to copy-and-paste passages from Gesenius into the syllabus or other teaching materials. When I find mistakes, I fix them. Margavriel (talk) 15:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Margavriel, your corrections are fantastic and much-needed. Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Gesenius
Hello Amir,

I have just found that Gesenius is available as Wikisource, and have just learnt that it is your contribution. What can I say beyond what has already been said above. Amazing work.

I am far from being an expert in this area - I am merely an amateur Hebrew language enthusiast and all my limited knowledge is based on publicly available resources, on top of Even-Shoshan which I have read as a child, and it stuck. My professionalism lies elsewhere today (and most of my contributions are in the Hebrew Wikipedia). I wish I could read and proofread the whole of GHG, it would probably be great reading stuff, but would take another life.

The corrections I recently made were in the context of referencing these sections from new text I added in Future_tense. As I said, I'm not an expert in this, but the original text seemed badly wrong. If you could have a look at my edit there, it would be appreciated.

Thanks, with great respect. Laugh Tough (talk) 13:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words, and enormous thanks for the corrections that you made. This edition of the book is far from being fully proofread, and by its nature it requires a lot of very subtle fixes, so every little fix of a vowel sign is commendable.
 * I'll take a look at the Wikipedia article as well. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:09, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

T166138
It is this phabricator that Inductiveload was asking me about. Thanks for your guidance on what we need to do. — billinghurst  sDrewth  07:38, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:שין שמאלית
Hi Amir. Is Template:שין שמאלית still needed (I note T4399 was finally closed in 2018)? How about the rest of the templates in Category:Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar templates? I'm trying to do some pruning of old unused templates (especially ones that show up in various maintenance backlogs and tracking lists), and we have rather a lot of them that were made a decade+ ago that are maybe not needed now or should be implemented differently (TemplateStyles, Lua, Gadgets, etc.). Xover (talk) 11:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the poke. I'll go through it. Many of these templates are definitely needed, but some may be deleted. Give me a few days. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No rush. :) Xover (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)