User talk:AllanHainey

Natural Taoist
Thanks for the help with the wiki links info. I hope you will comment on the deletion and hope you will lend your support to oppose it. However, what ever you decide is fine with me.H0riz0n

Total War Speech
Hi! I noticed that you left a comment on Talk:Total War Speech. Please see that page for a response. Thanks! Zhaladshar 14:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hi, Allan, I just deleted the page you requested. The Wikisource page for deletion requests is at Proposed deletions. I have a favor of my own to ask: I know our documentation is pretty poor, and I would like to rewrite some of it. Since I never browse through those pages myself, I was wondering if you could give me a list (it doesn't have to be extensive) of some things that need to be rewritten/revamped, or things that need to be written altogether. You said that our deletions page was not in the help section, so that's a start. Thanks! 14:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource:Speeches
Hi, Allan. The links are correct for the speeches by the presidents and prime ministers (they belong in the "Wikisource:" namespace). But it appears that I overlooked them in assembling my list of non-main namespace articles that need to be copied over here. You might as well just copy the pages manually over to here. We can't preserve the history, but the import feature is still not up and running, and there's no point to not have those pages simply to preserve their histories. 15:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Main Page Link
The main page link is gone because you copied all of my monobook.js file. : )  You just need the function called addAuthorTemplateLink and then the the corresponding load lines in the first two if statements.  Sorry about that...  Take a look at User:Zhaladshar/monobook.js.  That's what you need.  --CSN 21:43, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikification
I noticed your interest in the Scriptorium. Could you check out my user page and let me know what you think about that sort of setup compared to "Fuzzy-Wuzzy". I feel this set-up would answer objections, but do you feel it is an appropriate way display poetry? Will it become to cumbersome with longer works? It is not a great deal more efffort and by using templates there is an extra line of security for the proofread and formatted text.--BirgitteSB 16:23, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Adminship?
I think you would be a good candidate. If you are interested, please leave a message on my talk page. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 12:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for informing me about Wikisource and the speeches. I was reading that request for adminsip that was sent to you. If you have not accepted it, I believe you should.

J.Steinbock 00:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Sysop
Hi, Allan, you're now a sysop. 14:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations on your new election. I am happy to see that you were appointed. - J.Steinbock (Discussion Page)

The Librarian Project
I created this project with that initial purpose. I knew that it was already the expectations of high users. Zhaladshar had the idea of adding the polict pages on the project and use it as a policy page. Its final use is not yet decided. I have just added one assignment. I think that this project may be used to adress the most important modifications that need to be made. The Scriptorium can also be used for that purpose. Therefore, the final decision for the main purpose of the project has not yet been decided.

Sincerely

J.Steinbock

Discussion Page

Thank You For Voting
Thank you for voting. I will follow your advice. On the voting page is a letter to all of the voters that have graciously supplied their input.


 * Thank you again,

J.Steinbock (Discussion Page)

Welcome Template and Comittee

 * Thank you for modifying the template. I see your argument towards the opposition of setting up this commitee. However, I thought this project would be useful as the Wikisource community grows. Because the quantity of members, and moreover, active members are low, this project is not exactly necessary. Thank you for giving your input. It is greatly appreciated. : )


 * Sincerely,
 * J.Steinbock (Discussion Page

Portals
This is the template you want to alter to set the colors in every box: Template:Portal:Scheme--BirgitteSB 15:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I know the edit link doesn't work, but I couldn't figure it out. Why does there need to be seperate templates of Template:Portal:Box-header?  I 'm going to try and get the edit to work now.--BirgitteSB 17:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK I think Iunderstand. In order for edit to work we will need seprate box headers.  I think I will just delete the edit links.  It is not difficult to find the correct template to edit without them.--BirgitteSB 17:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have just put on the Scriptorium Portals page a reference to an online colour chart service. This shows the complmentary colours for each selection. It is probably what you are looking for. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 19:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The Speeches portal looks really great! Now that the holidays are done I ned get back to my own project. I have two suggestions. First you could put the best or most famous section of the speech in the featured box and not neccessarily the beginning. Also, in the categories box you could split up the categories with sub-headers like Nationality or Topic. You alos might want to have link to Portal:Speeches somewhere.--BirgitteSB 14:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Birgitte - a very classy effort. I don't have anything more to add apart from getting contributors of speeches to add to them things like author, title and text quality templates so as to be consistent with other texts in WS. Apwoolrich 20:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

question
on my talk page you said...
 * There is a bit of a process to go through to determine accuracy/copyright status, etc before a document can be protected but if it goes through this pease note it on Wikisource:Protection requests & it is likely to be approved (though personally I'd suggest shortening the title of the document for convenience in searching, etc).

I am allowed to change titles? It's the official title of the document... if I change the title then it's no longer a source document is it? just asking. --MateoP 05:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Draft Help: editing with templates
Hi Allan, please look at my talk page where I have placed a draft on procedures for using templtes for editing. I will finalise this when we have got our act together on templates and weeded the dross. Bit late, but Happy New Year. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 13:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Al Gore Speech
Here's a link about Al Gore's speech: http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/2006_01_16.htm It was given on 16 January at the Daughters of the American Revolution Hall in Washington DC. Full text source: http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/01/landmark_speech_1.html - 129.132.112.223 Copied from top of page

About the proposed {{header&#125;} standard
My intentions with the WikiProject on infrastructural and guidance development were mentioned at the scriptorium under "WikiProject IGD", and the standardised header was proposed on the WikiProject IGD talk page under "Standardised page infobox". Discussion ensued there and in the official #wikisource IRC channel between BirgitteSB, Apwoolrich, ThomasV, and myself. I'm placing it on a large number of pages (per agreement on #wikisource) to test it's flexibility outside controlled tests. Once I finish splitting a book (using the header), I'll invite discussion on the IRC and WikiProject channel, and implement any changes we judge desirable. You're welcome to comment on it at the WikiProject talk page, and we can implement any beneficial changes immediately. At that point we'll invite discussion at the Scriptorium about standardising it across the project. // Pathoschild (editor / talk ) 00:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Speeches random page
I remember you wanted to setup a random speech generator. Here is a lead for you w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer science. I will let you know if anyone cantacts me on my talk page.--BirgitteSB 00:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Tao te Ching
Hi. I'm really glad that my clarifaction of the book has helped you. On the naming policy of Lao Tzu/Laozi, however, I personally stick to the Pinyin version in private conversations as I am a native Chinese speaker who learnt Pinyin in Junior school, and thus under the perhaps strange impression that Pinyin naming policies are somewhat more 'respectable' for the Chinese cultural heritage than mere sound translations. I remember feeling very shocked and even slightly offended when I discovered that Laozi was actually most often known as Lao Tzu. However for the sake of the latter being more well- known in public I have proclaimed the author of the Tao as Lao Tzu, although from a Chinese point of view I would say that this translation sounds not at all like the way it is properly pronounced in Chinese- it's just much easier to say for English speakers.

As far as the Wikipedian policy goes, contributors to the encyclopedia have a divided opinion which you can find on the talk page of the Tao te Ching. However I do know that the article concerning its author named him Laozi and not otherwise. Hope this helps. --Luthinya 12:23 30 January 2006

Sheehan's Speeches
Thank you for contacting. I hope my clarification of source is ok. I would hope texts do not get interfered with ? By the way, I have just begun using the link Osioni 22:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello, re Hansard: Members are yes, put in brackets; quotes -- are in an inset smaller point print, not always easy to read, I have used italic print instead, if this is ok ?. The only bold I used is not in Hansard, I have notated it with (1) and will do a link to the poster in the WP, if that is alright.Osioni 10:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Again thanks for your watchful eye. I have looked at my Hansard photocopy and notice SHEEHAN appears in capitals not bold (Captain (and not Mr.) in normal type). I have added many links to Wpedia, hope this is permitted (not forseen in Hansard !). I feel confident in saying I am 100% on proof reading. However I admit to making two (I think) paragraph breaks not in Hansard as the text became far too long. Do you think this needs mentioning?
 * I have added a second speech (the last for the present) which was his main life's work, housing the working rural community. The speech reflects this well. Again this was one text block in Hansard, I have made three paragraphs out of it. Otherwise the text is letter exact.

Lastly, I have moved to "Irish" for both. Another reason, as there is a fine Gladstone speech on Irish Home Rule in there, so all three fall together under "I". That's it from me for today Osioni 21:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Everything understood, but before getting locked out I took another close look at my Hansard copies and noticed that all paragraphs and speaker's name begin two letters in, which I have now adopted. I have added one further link, from Labour leader to w:J.Connolly if that is ok? A further small question: nowadays MP is written without a 'dot', a couple of decades ago as: MP. and in Sheehan's time as M.P. Question: Which version to use (in the WP I have people changing back and forth). Next point: Hansard writes: labourers' dwellings -- I have typed labourer's dwellings -- again which to use, the 1911 style or present day ? (this came up in the other speech as well). My point with the "I" was to have the speeches list together under "I" in both British and Irish Speeches (previously the one began with "Anti" in front). If Gladstone does not get completed in the meantine, I will make a copy when in London in May.Osioni 18:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * For correctness sake I've changed to dwellings' - with that I feel all is fine and complete, thanks again AllanOsioni 13:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, Re Irish Labourers Housing Bill, I appreciate that the speeches are protected. I just noticed that on this one the info box has broken half the date (at least on my screen) so it looks a little untidy: Question: Can the protection be lifted for a day so I can break the line after Debate, to the next line (I also wanted to add before the Act: the Birrell Labourers (Ireland) Act (1911) as well). Or perhaps you can do it ? Thanks, and Greetings Osioni 22:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Allan, hello and thanks for the reply. Let's forget it. I simply have: 1911.  in a line on its own. Probably all screens have a diffent matrix. Re Birrell, it is not a problem, it was just that the Act is called after him, and is usally writtten that way (he was the Chief Secretary). I have it right in the pedia. Bye. Osioni 22:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Works asap please
I need some help thanks HaikuMan 15:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Speech Formats
I changed the Winning the War in Iraq page to have a header, put it in the American speeches category, and put it on Portal:Speeches and was wondering if that was all needed. Also, if moving to the Template:Header, should I change the Author:(blank) on all the SoUs and inaugural addresses to the template format?--Politicaljunkie 01:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hidden hungarian version
Can you help to order the hungarian Main Page to right place?

Translations:
 * Main Page = Kezdőlap
 * Hungarian = Magyar

Actual page here, without interwiki both direction: http://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page:Magyar

--Rodrigo 13:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Reagan on Cyprus
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2135_v88/ai_6495614 Reagan on Cyprus

Need requestioning where do i do this??? and how soon will it be done? 216.220.231.226 14:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Check Revenna

Sheehan link
Hello Allan, just a small problem at the bottom of Wikipedia D.D. Sheehan where a limk to Wikisourse was inserted at some time, the text is now floating on the left side outside of its box on the right, I do not see why. Can someone fix it ? - it doesn't look ok. Thanks.Osioni 19:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The Working Class and Corn Laws
My apolgies for this. My defence is that at the time I did it there was no indication on the page that it was protected, and the tab said protect. Unless you protected it fractionally before me and I in fact reversed your work. Apwoolrich 19:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Author talk:Robert W. Service
I responded to the your question at Author talk:Robert W. Service --Droll 22:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I went looking for a trusted source and The Library of Congress catatlogs the historian as Robert Service and the poet as Service, Robert W. (Robert William), 1874-1958. --Droll 10:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Why delete my GPS waypoints page? Where's the right place?
Only minutes after I created it, you deleted my GPS waypoints page.

Why? I thought WikiSource was the proper location for original documents.

If this is the wrong place, I welcome you suggestion for a better wiki to place them.

As for the merits of having a GPS page, I assure you that this could be an EXTREMELY useful document for lots of people and, as far as I can tell, the only alternatives are commercial. So I think a WIKI version would be very welcome. Calan

Question?
Sorry, Allan. What question did you mean on Amgine's talk page? Dovi 12:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Page protection requests
As I just stopped by Protection requests, I have done two of your protection requests, but would you please explain their copyright status? I have to go now, so I cannot do more protection until later, but I do remember your requests.--Jusjih 17:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use and non-commercial licenses

 * Copyright policy now disallows fair use and non-commercial licenses, so how about now?--Jusjih 14:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Since you'd argued that speeches were fair use, User:Wolfman had also argued that United Nations Resolutions would be at least fair use while they are now under a non-commercial license at Template:UNCopyright. This is why I am confused while fair use and non-commercial licenses may trouble us should a downstream user copies our contributions for commercial sales thinking that we release them by GFDL without checking original copyright status, gets sued while his use is extremely unfair, and comes back here to blame us for misleading him even though we may not be legally guilty.--Jusjih 15:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wolfman's argument can be found at Possible_copyright_violations/Archives/2006/04. After all, if we cannot clarify this issue, I will raise it at the scriptorium.--Jusjih 15:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have raised this matter at Scriptorium.--Jusjih 14:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Main page redesign and portals
Hi AllanHainey,

I wanted to point to your attention a discussion just started on the Scriptorium: Main page redesign. On it, portals were brought up as a way to phase out such things as Poetry, and such. I know that you put together a draft portal for speeches but nothing ever became of the discussion. Could you please post the link on the discussion on the Scriptorium so we can work with it and our main page redesign proposal? Thanks!03:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC) Posted by Zhaladshar

Re: Bots
I copied this from my talk page:


 * I'll add it to my list of things to check for when I start coding it; it shouldn't be all that difficult. :-) Jude (talk,contribs,email) 09:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Locked
Hi,

I've been placing them at the bottom simply because I've been placing the textquality templates down there when I proof EB1911 pages. My personal preference is to place templates (if at all possible) below all of the text so that if admins edit/people view the source code, they'll get the text first and then all the templates we use to indicate certain statuses at the very bottom (because I'm assuming that most people aren't looking for them). That's really the only reason I'm doing it, though.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd think seeing the template in the top-right corner would be enough of a tip-off that we could afford to place the actual template at the bottom. Besides, I'm sure most people wouldn't really know what the locked template is for, anyway, even if they do look at the source code.  That's a template more useful for administrative purposes than anything else.  :-)  —Zhaladshar (Talk) 13:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Objections to my changes to
Hello Allan Hainey. You objected to my changes to on its talk page, but have not responded to my comments there. Do you still disagree? // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 15:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Objections to Featured text nomination
Hello again. You objected to featuring The Time Machine, but your concerns have since been addressed. Do you still oppose it? // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 15:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I have a dream speech
Hi, thanks for adding the Michael Ignatieff speeches, I fixed up his author page in our standard format & categorised the speeches as Category:Canadian Speeches. You mentioned that the King family were getting riled up about our hosting of his I have a dream speech, can you let me know where you saw this & if you know if they've actually complained to anyone about it. Thanks. AllanHainey 07:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Allan... http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:I_have_a_Dream ; we acted mostly pre-emptively, to protect ourselves from any possible action. It would be great if both the community and the board were open to letting the occasional copyrighten work slip by, with permission from the work's owners. I would be willing to help organize such pursuits, if wanted. --  Zanimum 16:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:British Speeches
Hi. I notice you do a lot of work on British Speeches. Do you think it would be worth splitting the British Speeches category in some manner - perhaps splitting by century? Currently there are 121 articles in the category with nothing to distinguish ones made in the 18th Century from ones in the 21st, which makes navigation a little dificult. The one problem I see at the moment with recategorisation is that an administrator will have to do it as many articles are currently locked. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. Road Wizard 10:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The list you identified does appear to solve the problem. I have included it as an initial note and link on the category page to help other readers find it more quickly. Road Wizard 07:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Tweak to your javascript file
Hello AllanHainey. Note that I tweaked your javascript file to correct glitch-categorisation to the category "Author-\\n", which was the subject of a deletion proposal ("Category:Authors-\\n", June 2006 archives). Part of the function  was parsed on the page, leading to the categorisation; I added &lt;nowiki&gt; tags to correct this. Please contact me if this causes any functionality problems, and I apologize for any inconvenience if that occurs. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 16:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Napoleon's speech
Hi. Thanks for fixing this one. I was about to remove the trivia+etc parts myself, but you were faster! - Liberatore (T) 14:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Gladstone Home Rule Speech
Hello again. My attempt in London to locate the original speech was in vain, the debate began two days after the 7th April posted in the WS with another equally long speech. I had more time recently in Dublins's National Library, and browsed through enless days of dabates (and a further very long speech by Gladstone) on the Bill, through May and into June 1886 when it turned up 7th June (which I have corrected on the page)

I had the speech copied, 13 Hansard pages two columns a page. I feel my task, time and troublewise, fulfilled, and have many other priorities preventing me inputting the full speech, much as it impresses me. My suggestion is to mail a copy to some POB. You may comment on this or make any suggestion per email . Osioni 22:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Em-dashes
Do you know anything authorative about preferences for em-dashes being an American vs British issue? Or is it just just modern to use them and old fashioned to use en-dashes? Or do you think we should not worry about it and just use em-dashes. I am having trouble finding much information.--BirgitteSB 03:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * From the limited research I did—with no authoritative results—it would seem that the British convention is to use em dashes with spaces or hair spaces. I've created for the hair space variant, and added it to A Drink Problem, which you've contributed. You're probably more familiar with British conventions than I am, so feel free to review it. ;) // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 03:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the work on A Drink Problem, I don't think the em dahes you've added have come out as intended. On the article and they've come out surrounded by wee boxes ( — ). I'm assuming this is a computer character recognition problem as I've never seen this in any printed form. Generally where a longer em dash is used there doesn't seem to be any British standard usage on spaces or not. Hansard uses em dash without spaces, the times uses it with spaces (when they don't use - ). I think Hansard sources the em dash could be useful but we'd need to get rid of the wee boxes. AllanHainey 11:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Over at WP I asked a British editor about the issue. Here is a link to the clarification w:User talk:Shantavira.--BirgitteSB 17:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems there's little consensus, then. Various websites I've consulted seem to recommend the em dash. For example, Wikipedia, dictionary.com, and A List Apart note that en dashes are for linking ranges or particular compound words (ie, 1920–1930 or Asia–Pacific alliance). The same sites recommend em dashes to "indicate a break in thought or sentence structure, to introduce a phrase added for emphasis, definition, or explanation, or to separate two clauses (dictionary.com).


 * The most common British usage seems to be em dashes, either spaced or unspaced. Hair spaces (as used by ) seem to be a good compromise; they are often used in British texts, and they aren't much different from unspaced usage. According to A List Apart, though, rendering hair spaces on the web is problematic; they don't seem to be defined in HTML. For technical reasons, then, it might be better to use em dashes without spaces. // [ admin ] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Democracy in Belarus
Sorry about that, the source is now on the talk page. - Politicaljunkie 20:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Email
You don't have e-mail set-up. If would email me through Wikisource I will forward you Brad's email.--BirgitteSB 02:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian
Hello, it is a bit late answer. Usually I am working on wikipedia, but now it was neccesary to login because of the w:List of passengers onboard RMS Titanic not really fit the wikipedia requrements. The Wsource is better mainly in case of working intelligent headers.

Since your message, the hungarian site have built, but during this i think my former local account disappiered :D

--Rodrigo 10:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
Great to see an old timer come back. Would you please consider standing to become an admin,... again! The process is the same as becoming an admin, and we recently went through the motions with Bookofjude returning. Feel free to take your time to reacquaint yourself ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 22:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

To Do - as userpage locked

 * Declaration of the Clergy
 * Treaty of Union
 * Treaty/Act of Union with Ireland
 * Scan Gladstone & Asquith speeches - get OCR
 * Find out how to link pictures from WP/WC for authorpages - James Gilmour
 * ''remember to add these texts to appropriate Works index, whether Portal:Mongolia or Portal:Christianity. Unlocked ;) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Nostradamus‎. 15:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Portal for Science?
Hi Allan. I see that you set up the portal for Speeches. I am looking at having built either a Portal: or a WikiSource: page for seminal science papers and the like. We already have Darwin's "Origin of Species", and I have just imported Lister's work On the Antiseptic Principle of the Practice of Surgery, and I am going to hunt down more. Seeking your advice on whether a Portal or WikiSource page is better, and whether you would mind lending some wiki skills to help set it up. Thanks. -- billinghurst (talk) 12:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: "British" vs "Scottish/English"
Hi, sorry it has been so long since you messaged me. I have a few massive projects I'm undertaking at the moment, so haven't had any time to devote to Select British Eloquence, or wikisource in general. I would have no objection to you changing the categories of those speeches to which a change would be appropriate, bearing in mind that sometimes it might be very POV to classify one way or the other: if a Scottish lord were speaking in the English parliament (or later, a Scottish MP in any british parliament), would it be an English, Scottish, or British speech? Bearing in mind that the speech-giver is Scottish, does that make the speech itself (though given in the English houses) Scottish? The phrase "Scottish speeches" has a subtle, but i think important, difference in connotation from "Speeches given by Scotsmen" or "Speeches given in Scotland". I'm uncomfortable dealing with these questions, so I just used the convenient label afforded by the book itself, "British Eloquence". If you feel more comfortable in differentiating in a NPOV way, please do so, I will have no objections.

I may start back to work on this project in the near-ish future, but am still at least a few months off :-( Anyway, thanks for your interest! --Storkk (talk) 17:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Portals
If you are ever still checking in here this thread and the Scriptorium has morphed into dealing with how we use the Portal namespace and I know you had put alot of thought into Portals in the past. Your input is always desired.--Birgitte SB  03:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)