Talk:Tsing Hua College Song

Someone should import the HathiTrust source, but I'll link it for today.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


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 * Manchurian Tiger (talk) 23:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The copy i posted is the original sheet music published on Tsing Hua Journal Manchurian Tiger (talk) 23:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The scan linked above is from the Tsing Hua Annual, dated 1914. Your scan has music for the chorus, but not from the verse, and there is no publication data visible in the image. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The publication is 1916 Tsinghuapper. The Tsing Hua College Song's sheet music is on page 17 & 18. The previously posted by someone is on 1914 Tsing Hua Annual without sheet music. The composer Miss Seelye was the music teacher at the school. I believe the sheet music had to be ckecked by her, therefore, that version is more authentically original. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Link to the original sheet music: #16 - The Tsinghuapper 1916. - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library Manchurian Tiger (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I posted the link here. Could you please help me to scan in the source - I tried to uploaded the whole sheet music but unsuccessful. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I just posted the source with the full sheet music. Thanks for your attention. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * OK, that is a different source, and not the same one. We can transcribe that copy too, but we would not remove or change the copy we have.  If there are two different published sources, we host each one on a separate page, we do not combine them. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree your statement about they are from the two sources. They were both from Tsing Hua official publications. However, the one on the 1916 Tsinghuapper is the sheet music for the song which bears more authority about the song. The lyrics on 1914 Tsing Hua Annual is only a copy of words from the sheet music. Furthermore, if you have some basic knowledge about song writing, you should've noticed that in the Chorus O is used to start the phrases in two lines. One would've not used Oh as another version of O in the same song. It's a common rule in English writing. The sheet music is the only authentic documentation for a SONG, not a separate copy of the lyrics. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 02:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also even in the other lyrics document, O is used in chorus. It's absolutely baseless to support your change from O to Oh in the chorus. Read the original document. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 02:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The point is that the two documents have different texts. The copy we currently have is from a different source that the one you have provided. We can transcribe that new copy on a page of its own, but we do not discard one version in favor of another.  Please refer to the listings at Ozymandias (Shelley) as an example.  This lists multiple copies of a poem that have been published.  We keep each copy, and do not blend copies together, or throw one away simply because it is different.  We can do the same here, but the new copy would need to be on a separate page, and we would not alter the existing one to match a different source.  We do not treat one source as "authentic" and another as not if both have been published. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I can agree to disagree but please provide your source for changing O to Oh in chorus. Both documents have O in chorus. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You altered the link to the source, and then claimed a match to the new source you linked. That is dishonest..  Future edits like that will be considered vandalism, because they are dishonest, and you will be blocked. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No version ever has had Oh in the chorus. If you have a basic English writing training, you know the lyrics version's Oh is wrong. The sheet music's lyrics version is the right version for the song. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The linked version has "Oh" in the chorus; if you follow that liknk, you can see it printed with "Oh", so you claim that no copy has "Oh" is clearly incorrect. I have written dictionary entries, and an advanced knowledge of English, and have looked in multiple dictionaries, which show that "Oh" can be used in this way.  You have strong opinions, but your opinions are at odds with Wikisource's practices and goals.  We reproduce the sources as they were published.  Since we have a published copy that has "Oh", our transcription of that copy has it too. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And an article about a song should be based on a sheet music version not others. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 15:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikisource does not have articles, except those previously published (such as in the EB1911). We do not create articles; we reproduce printed material.  This is a library, and we present books and other printed works, as they were printed.  What you are doing is writing in the books, changing what was printed there, and this is vandalism. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I provided the book. You deleted it. You're doing vandalism. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 16:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Here it is. This sheet music should be the basis for this item, not the only lyrics copy. Manchurian Tiger (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)