Talk:Frog Poem

Translations and Copyright
Thanks for bringing this up at WS:CV; let's see what we can discover about these translations. Unless I'm mistaken, any translations later than 1964 are pretty much guaranteed to be copyvio unless explicitly specified otherwise; others can be checked for renewals.


 * Frog Poem (Saisho) ("literal" translation) by Fumiko Saisho: from "A Few Notes on Haikai and the Japanese Mind." Cultural Nippon, Japan, June 1935
 * Frog Poem (Aitken) by Robert Aitken: from A Zen Wave: Basho’s Haiku and Zen; New York: Weatherhill (1978),
 * Frog Poem (Aston) by William George Aston: from A History of Japanese Literature (Aston)/Book 6/Chapter 4,
 * Frog Poem (Behn) by Harry Behn: from Cricket Songs: Japanese Haiku, New York, 1964
 * Frog Poem (Blyth) by R. H. Blyth: from Haiku. Vol. 1. Tokyo: Hokuseido Press, 1949
 * Frog Poem (Bownas and Thwaite) by Geoffrey Bownas and Anthony Thwaite: from The Penguin Book of Japanese Verse, Middlesex, 1964
 * Frog Poem (Bryan) by John Bryan: from The Literature of Japan, New York, 1929
 * Frog Poem (Corman) by Cid Corman: from Cool Gong, Ashland, Massachusetts, USA, 1959
 * Frog Poem (Chamberlain) by Basil Hall Chamberlain: from Japanese Poetry. London: John Murray, 1910
 * Frog Poem (Hamill) by Sam Hamill (not "Alan Chng"): from The Sound of Water: Haiku by Basho, Buson, Issa, and Other Poets (2000)
 * Frog Poem (O'Donnol) by Dion O'Donnol: from "One sheet (green) printing of 'the frog poem' as used in my poetry classes in the 1963-1969 period" (as quoted by Sako)
 * Frog Poem (Einbond) by Bernard Lionel Einbond: see note on Sato below
 * Frog Poem (Fraser) by G. S. Fraser: from "The Frog and the Pond: First Steps in Japanese Poetics", Nine, Scotland (?), Summer-Autumn 1952
 * Frog Poem (Hass) by Robert Hass: from The Essential Haiku: Versions of Basho, Buson, and Issa, 1994
 * Frog Poem (Hearn) by Lafcadio Hearn: from Exotics and Retrospectives. Boston: Little, Brown, 1898
 * Frog Poem (Higginson) by William J. Higginson: from Itadakimasu, New York, 1971
 * Frog Poem (Kahn) by Robert Kahn, added by 209.174.183.5, possibly an original translation
 * Frog Poem (Houédard) by Sylvester Houédard a.k.a "dsh": apparently first published as a poster, 1965
 * Frog Poem (Kirkup) by James Kirkup: see note on Sato below
 * Frog Poem (Maeda) by Maeda Cana: from "On Translating the Haiku Form" in Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies (1969)
 * Frog Poem (Masaoka) by Masaoka Shiki: from Shiki's college paper "Baseo as a Poet", thought to be dated 1892... but possibly not published until 1978 in Shiki Zenshū, Tokyo
 * Frog Poem (Matsuo-Allard) by R. Clarence Matsuo-Allard: see note on Sato below
 * Frog Poem (Miner) by Earl Miner: from Japanese Linked Poetry, Princeton (USA), 1979
 * Frog Poem (Big Mountain) by Jozy Big Mountain, added by 169.244.143.115, probably the same user as User:HaikuMan, possibly an original translation
 * Frog Poem (Nikt) by Clare Nikt: see note on Sato below
 * Frog Poem (Nippon Gakujutsu Shinkokai) by Nippon Gakujutsu Shinkokai: from Haikai and Haiku, Tokyo, 1958.
 * Frog Poem (Nitobe) by Nitobe Inazō: from Japanese Traits and Foreign Imfluences, London, 1927
 * Frog Poem (Reichhold) by Jane Reichhold: from A Discussion about the "Old pond" Haiku by Basho, 2010
 * Frog Poem (Rexroth) by Kenneth Rexroth: from One Hundred Poems from the Japanese, New York, 1955
 * Frog Poem (Seidensticker) by Edward G. Seidensticker: from Hihongo-rashii Hyōgen kara Eigo-rashii Hyōgen e, Tokyo, 1962
 * Frog Poem (Shirane) by Haruo Shirane: from Traces of Dreams: Landscape, Cultural Memory, and the Poetry of Bashô. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 1998
 * Frog Poem (Sitnitsky) by Alexander Sitnitsky: GFDL, not published elsewhere, may be out of scope
 * Frog Poem (Smirnov) by Dmitri Smirnov: GFDL, original translation
 * Frog Poem (Stewart) by Harold Stewart: from A Net of Fireflies, Tokyo, 1960
 * Frog Poem (Stryk) by Lucien Stryk: from Haiku of the Japanese Masters, Derry, Pennsylvania, USA, 1977
 * Frog Poem (Suzuki) by Daisetsu Teitaro Suzuki: from "Zen and Japanese Culture", Princeton, USA, 1938
 * Frog Poem (Ueda) by Makoto Ueda: from Matsuo Bashō: The Master Haiku Poet, New York, USA, 1970
 * Frog Poem (Watts) by Alan Watts: from "Haiku", first broadcast on radio around 1958, released as a vinyl record in 1959, and then published in print form in 1960 (USA)
 * Frog Poem (Yasuda) by Kenneth Yasuda: from A Pepper-Pod: Classic Japanese Poems together with Original Haiku. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1947
 * Frog Poem (Yuasa) by Nobuyuki Yuasa: from Bashô: The Narrow Road to the Deep North and Other Travel Sketches. Baltimore: Penguin Books, 1966

Many of these were published in One Hundred Frogs: From Renga to Haiku to English by Hiroaki Sato (Japan, 1983). There are two groups of translations in this work: those collected from previous publications, and those collected from personal acquaintances. Translations marked as "see note on Sato below" are of the latter sort. Sato notes that "most of it" was published in his article "Variations on a Theme of Basho" in Chanoyu Quarterly issue 19 (Japan, 1978).

Useful sources: (will continue to be updated) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.2hweb.net/haikai/haiku/haiku-by-the-numbers.html
 * https://samofthetenthousandthings.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/an-old-pond-the-turning-point-translations/
 * https://books.google.ca/books?id=pmNoS2dndKsC&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=The+old+pond,+aye!+And+the+sound+of+a+frog+%22leaping+into+the+water.%22&source=bl&ots=MzVvBJpfXh&sig=OQ0X7cIv-L9USh1OJPFfun6VsP4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf45vy577PAhVCzIMKHVXEB94Q6AEILjAD#v=onepage&q=The%20old%20pond%2C%20aye!%20And%20the%20sound%20of%20a%20frog%20%22leaping%20into%20the%20water.%22&f=false