Talk:Declaration of Independence (Israel)

I've been asked why I deleted the top part of the article. The intent of Wikisource is to provide original texts. The Declaration is certainly fit material for this project, but the deleted part appears to be material added by the cotributor that tends to glorify the establishment of the State of Israel. Commentary that is added to a Wikisource documents should be limited to the bare essentials needed to place a document in a historical context, or to insure that the document is not in violation of copyright. The added material goes well beyond that, and should perhaps be a basis for discussion on Wikipedia. If Wikisource is to be credible readers need the confidence that what they are reading is really source text. I admit that sometimes this kind of flowery POV prose can be a part of a declaration; when that is so it is incumbent on the contributor to so indicate in his introductory paragraph. I will leave adequate time for response before taking further action. Eclecticology 22:01, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * It all looks like source text to me. I really like how this ref has things organizaed (context para is in italics). --Maveric149 22:54, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The "flowery POV prose" is an intgral part of the declaration. Your argument does not have sufficient cross-references to establish that this is my contribution. As for the last point, I did not find an introductory paragraph necessary (feel free to add one yourself), yet I find your deletion uncalled for and derived from ignorance. --Jeru 19:04, 15 Dec 2003 (GMT+2)

Just to agree, vigorously, with Jeru.

The Israeli Declaration of Independence has two parts, and the whole document (nor many political issues today) does not (and do not) really make sense without both.

First comes the Narrative, the "flowery POV text" referred to.

Then, the legalese, the Wherebys.

Without the Narrative section of the DoI to refer to, MANY Israeli actions and policies make no sense.


 * would recommend anybody trying, in the smallest degree, to understand the IvP conflict read, cover to cover, BOTH of Herzl's works (Der Judenstaat AND Altneuland), as well as the DoI. As a bare minimum. Without these, the Israeli government, even today, cannot be understood. (Indeed, I question how many "experts", let alone how many diplomats, have ever read Herzl. It shows.) Secondarily, I would recommend, perhaps, Jabotinsky's "Iron Wall". -Penta 13:26, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Yosef.Mazzini 19:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC) link to iron wall

31.44.129.252 09:34, 9 February 2017 (UTC) The translated version is missing the following paragraph, before the paragraph beginning "The state of Israel": (I can not edit, so I will thank those who will add it. The source is the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website):

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.