Talk:Ante-Nicene Fathers

Titles
I'd like to make a suggestion and it's about the titles. For example, this title is Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume V/Hippolytus/The Refutation of All Heresies, but the work is most known as The Refutation of All Heresies. And now which should e main title and which should be the redirect? Rafael, o Galvão 19:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I think the subpages should stop after the third level (in your example, it should stop after "Hippolytus") and that the works of Hippolytus should be stand-alone (that is, The Refutation of All Heresies instead of Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume V/Hippolytus/The Refutation of All Heresies).  My reasoning for this is that Ante-Nicene Fathers is just a collection and compilation of works which were not organized in this fashion.  It is merely just a way of collecting the whole compendium of ancient Christianity into one work for ease of the reader/scholar.  But long before this collection was created, the works were all known by the title given them by their writer, and not as being a part of an overall collection.  Also, by putting giving the works their own title, it helps better keep track of different translations of the same work (as no one might ever bother checking Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume V/Hippolytus to see if The Refutation of All Heresies exists yet.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 19:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * But these works are already existent on Wikisource, under various translations. See, for instance, 1 Clement. Since there are so many translation, the page for the individual article is basically a disambiguation page that links here (among other places). —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 20:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Then nevermind; I think that's a good way of organizing all of these thing.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 21:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand, but what will we do with the works that doesn't have more translations? Rafael, o Galvão 00:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Create redirects, and list the works on the appropriate author pages. I have recently run into this same problem at Apology, which didnt list the two by Author:Justin Martyr. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Rafael, o Galvão 12:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Chapters are too short to be divided
Do some of these actually have to be divided into chapters? Take Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume IV/Tertullian: Part Fourth/On the Veiling of Virgins for instance. The chapters are quite short, definitely not long enough to justify each having their own page. Is there some way to change this? Arlen22 (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the chapter subdivision is original, i.e. from Tertullian himself, and then we cannot change it, because a reference to a certain chapter/verse will then not be possible to follow. Rursus (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * But they don't have to be on separate pages. We never do that for any of the Bible translations. Furthermore, it doesn't use verses, and the chapters are easily marked out with sections. Arlen22 (talk) 18:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * See Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume IV/Tertullian: Part Fourth/On the Veiling of Virgins/Print for an example. Arlen22 (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I did it on Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume IV/Tertullian: Part Fourth/On the Veiling of Virgins and it looks good. Arlen22 (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Quoting in Irenaeus
There are some pretty long quotes in Irenaeus' Adversus Haereses, such as f.ex. in Chapter XXIII verse 1. My fingers itches to add a. May I? ... Please? Rursus (talk) 11:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Page move notice
I've noticed some incorrect numbering of chapters in at least one of the works here, which I will clean up. Not sure how extensive the problem is, but see: Talk:Ante-Nicene Fathers/Volume V/Hippolytus/The Refutation of All Heresies. Happy to explain further if there's any concern. —Spangineer (háblame) 16:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Future of this work under discussion
This work, which was originally imported over 10 years ago, has many formatting problems that are likely to become worse due to technical upgrades of Wikimedia software. See WS:Scriptorium for a current discussion of whether to simply delete the work entirely, or whether to complete the transcription of a different edition, Ante-Nicene Christian Library. -Pete (talk) 01:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I know this is somewhat after your post, but I've only just seen it. Unfortunately, the two editions are different enough to mean that we do need both. I'm in the gradual process of proofreading through ANCL. As I transclude a section or a work, I'm collapsing the AN Fathers version down from the overly split chapters. When I started on ANCL, it was with the intention of replacing the text-dump edition. However, I hadn't realised how different it was, and so have built it alongside. At some stage we do need to replace this import with proofread transclusions, but I'm not sure I have the will or energy to wade through it all twice. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I trust your judgment, I don't know the work well. -Pete (talk) 17:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Ad Nationes
Ad Nationes by Tertulian is wrong the link does not appear the two books. Tuxzos22 (talk) 04:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)