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20 Certainly.

But wherever shame is, there also is fear. For is there any one who is ashamed of and blushes at any thing, but who does not at the same time fear and dread the opinion of improbity ?

He will certainly dread this.

It is not therefore right to say, that where there is fear, there also there is shame; but we should say that where there is shame, there also fear resides. For wherever there is fear, there is not also shame. For I think that fear extends further than shame ; since shame is a part of fear, just as the odd is a part of number. So that it does not follow that wherever there is number, there also is the odd ; but wherever there is the odd, there also there is number. Do you now apprehend me ?

Perfectly so.

Respecting a thing of this kind, therefore, I inquired above, when I asked you whether where the just was, there also the holy was ; or whether where the holy was, there also the just was, but the holy was not to be found every wherein conjunction with the just. For the holy is a part of the just. Does it appear to you that we should thus speak, or otherwise ?

Not otherwise ; but thus. For you appear to me to speak rightly.

See then what follows : for, if the holy is a part of the just, it is necessary, as it seems, that we should discover what part of the just the holy will be. If therefore you should ask me some of the things just now mentioned, as, for instance, what part of number the even is, and what number it is, I should say that it is not scalene, but isosceles. Or does it not appear so to you ?

It does.

Do you therefore also endeavour in like manner to teach me what part of the just the holy is, that we may tell Melitus he must no longer act unjustly by us, nor accuse us of impiety, as having now sufficiently learnt from you what things are pious and holy, and what not.

This part then, Socrates, of the just, appears to me to be pious