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 they were carried by the spirit to another place; for while it continues, the distance is not thought of, even though it were many miles; neither is time attended to, though it were many hours or days; nor is there any consciousness of fatigue; the person is also led unerringly, through ways whereof he is ignorant, even to the place of his destination.

But these two states of man, which are states appertaining to him when he is in his interiors, or what is the same, when he is in the spirit, are extraordinary, and were shown to me only that I might understand their nature, their existence being known within the church. But to converse with spirits, and to be with them as one of their number, has been granted me even in full wakefulness of the body, and this now for many years.

By man's being a spirit as to his interiors, is meant as to those things which belong to his thought and will, since these are the interiors themselves which cause him to be man, and such a man as he is in respect to these. (H. H. 432-443.)