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 i68 THE ANCESTOR of Gaunt, Roy du Ch as tell & de Lyon^ due de Lancastre. Other deponents on his part were Le Counte de Derhy^ afterwards Henry IV. ; the Duke of York ; Sir John Holand, styled the king's brother ; the Earl of Northumberland (aged 45), and a Sir Henry de Percy (aged 20, arme'z prinfment quant le Chastell de Berwyk estoit pris par les Escoces &' q'^nt le rescous fuist fait in whom we recognise the Harry Hotspur of history and ballad ; and if not most noble, most famous perhaps of all, Geffray Cbaucere esquier^ del age de xl ans plus. Grosvenor's witnesses were drawn chiefly from the two counties palatine ; but among them were several men of mark, such as Oweyn Sire de Glendore, a name familiar to us all. At length in 1389 the Duke of Gloucester, as constable, gave sentence in favour of Scrope, granting the defendant permission to bear lez ditz armes ove un playn hordure dargent. Among the depositions we find mention of a third claimant of these arms, Thomas Carminowe, an esquire of Cornwall. He carried back his claim far beyond the conquest, or even RoUo, to King Arthur's round table. Meeting Scrope in the French wars he challenged his right to them, when six knights found that each party had made good his claim.^ On another occa- sion Carminowe had been challenged in his turn by Sir John Daniell (or Danyers) on behalf of Sir Robert Grosvenor, his son-in-law, then a minor ; but I can find no mention of the result.^ ^ * Pur taunt q' de la p'tie du dit Rob't avoms trouez g*ndes euidences & p'sumsions semblables en sa defense des dites armes.' ^ Depositions of John of Gaunt, Sir Thomas Fychet, etc. John Topclyffe adds : * Pur ceo q' Cornwale estoit vn grosse t'^re & iadys portant le noun dune Roialme.' ^ At the last expedition of Edward III. to France. Depositions of Sir Lawrence de Dutton, William and Robert Danyell, and others. There seems no foundation for the statement that a duel took place, unless some writer has misunderstood the French * chalangea. . . joust le Riuer de Marne ' in Clyf 's deposition. In modern times 'a fourth claim has been put forward on behalf of the D'Oyly family. *The original arms of the family were probably Azure, a bend or" ; and though it is admitted that dignities were not generally heredi- tary in Normandy till the time of Hugh Capet (a.d. 987), yet this did not preclude the descent of armorial property, more than lands or jewels ; and presuming Count Robert to have borne the coat, and to have possessed Ouilly le Vicomte near Lisieux, it is certain that his issue soon divided into 2 branches ... I. The D'Oylys, or D'Ouillys, of Ouilly le Vicomte, who bore " Azure, a bend or," and remained in Normandy till the period of the English Conquest ... II. The D'Oylys or D'Ouillys, Lords of the neighbouring vill of Ouilly la Ribaude,