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 52 INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PROPAGANDA more or less stabilized condition; but at that particular period, when this thing came up, bonds were selling at all kinds of figures. Question. That didn't stop Mr. Clark from pursuing his regular policy of buying in the same way that he had for years; in other words, when I want to buy a million dollars' worth of bonds in 1929, I bought it through your firm, and there is no reason why I did not give an order in 1933 to buy a million dollars' worth of bonds the same way; is that so? Answer. No, sir. Question. When did Mr. Clark go to Europe? Answer. I think he went in August. Question. 1934? Answer. Yes. Question. Did you see him off? Answer. No, sir. Question. When did Mr. Christmas go to Europe? The CHAIRMAN. About 2 weeks ago. The WITNESS. I think it was 22 weeks ago. By the CHAIRMAN: Question. Where is Mr. Clark now? What part of the country is he in, do you know? Answer. I do not know; I believe he is in Paris, according to the papers this morning, a cable was received from him from Paris. Question. Have you heard from him yourself? Answer. No, sir. Mr. MARKS. Are you talking about Clark or Christmas? The CHAIRMAN. I was talking about Clark. Examination by Mr. DICKSTEIN: Question. You do not know when the second trip was that you made to Mr. Butler? Answer. No; I do not. Question. Were you there alone? Answer. Yes. Question. And the third trip that you made to his home-you met him in Newark, didn't you? Answer. I think the third trip; no-I do not know whether it was the third trip or not, or what trip it was that I met him, but I think it was in Newark at a hotel. Question. Was Doyle with you then? Answer. No, sir. Question. Was Doyle with you at any time outside of the first time? Answer. No, sir. Question. And the general discussion was what-what was the general discussion; what did you talk about? Did you talk about his being a commander of the Legion? Answer. The second time you went there? Question. Yes. Answer. No. I think the next time I went there I talked with him about the veterans' affairs and conditions in general, and the fact that he had been very much interested in the veterans, and asked him if he still felt the way he did, and if he was in favor of sound money" INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PROPAGANDA Question. What did he say? ου Answer. Well, he said, "Why, certainly I am in favor of sound money. Question. Yes. Answer. But he said, "I don't know anything about it." Question. Exactly; he told you he knew nothing about money at all? Answer. That is right; yes. Question. But when you went there, did you go there with the intention of talking to him about this sound money business? Answer. No; I can't say that I did. Question. And what did you go there for the second time? Answer. Just merely to talk over general conditions, and the fact that I thought that he was the man-that I still thought that he ought to run to be commander of the Legion, and it looked as if Ed Hays was the man who was going to win, and that he ought to during the next year or two get himself to be a delegate from Penn- sylvania so that he could be elected commander. Question. What was your interest in it that he should become a commander of the Legion; what was your interest in it? Answer. Merely because I thought an awful lot of him. Question. Didn't he tell you the first time that he was not inter- ested? Answer. No. He did not tell me the first time; he was very much interested. Question. Doyle will bear you out, will he not, in that? Answer. Well, I think he will. Question. You think so? Answer. Yes; I think he will. By the CHAIRMAN: Question. As a matter of fact, what you went there for was to try and have him go to the convention-but you say you never discussed the national commander with him, did you? Answer. Yes; I did discuss the national commander with him. Examination by Mr. DICKSTEIN: Question. Have you communicated with Doyle lately? Answer. No, sir. Question. Did you talk to Doyle either yesterday or today? Answer. No, sir. Question. Has Doyle spoken to you? Answer. No, sir. Question. Now, then, on the second trip that you made, did Mr. Butler still say that he would like to be commander of the Legion? Answer. No; he said he was not interested, and then I brought up the fact about this sound-dollar organization. Question. All right. What was the necessity of your going over there after he told you that he did not know anything about the sound dollar, and did not know anything about monetary conditions. And he told you on the third visit that he did not want to be com- mander of the Legion; what was the object of your going to see him again? Answer. Well, I thought that I might still interest him in it-