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viction to the minds of those who, like myself, require proof of a statement before accepting it. The strong searchlight which is now being thrown on the fictions which figure as historical genealogies in our popular peerages is in course of extension over the wide field of historical topography, and pro- babilities and assumptions no longer pass muster as ** authoritative " facts.* MR. RUTTON begins by saying that the territorial word " bourn," of French extraction, was not engrafted on English stock until our own similar word, as an indigenous plant, had flourished for centuries. But is there any evidence that the word "bourn," of French extraction, was ever a constituent of English place-names ? A few instances showing how and when the French "bourn" was en- grafted on English stock would be welcome The picture which my friend draws of the " London native " emerging from his shell, and in the course of an afternoon's ramble settling the local nomenclature of the dis- trict, is an attractive one ; but is it history [ It must be remembered that in primeva' times many more streams were known to the " travelling citizen " of London than the three named by MR. RUTTON. The two great arms of marshland which, on east and west grasped London in their clutches were a maze of tiny rivulets, some of which tricklec from the northern heights into the Thames while others were affluents of the large streams. The eastern and western bound ariei of the London district were respectively the Lea and the Brent. A walk to eithe was within the capacity of an ordinary able bodied, long-legged Anglo-Saxon, and if he started, as we may suppose, from that im portant stream the Walbrook, which practi cally divided ecclesiastical London from th trading emporia on the river, he might hav called all the rivulets in the Brent direction " West Bournes," while those in the opposit direction would be " East Bournes." No satis factory reason has been given why th stream afterwards known as the Bayswate Rivulet should have been arbitrarily de signated the West Bourne. Why not, fo instance, the brook, afterwards canalized which divided the parishes of Chelsea an Fulham 1

There are few, if any, rivers in Englan whose names are identical with the names o the districts through which they flow. Th Anglo-Saxon " burne " is, of course, a commo

Mr. J. Horace Round in his instructive paper o 'An "Authoritative" Ancestor' in the dncesto for April, p. 189.
 * I use the adjective in the sense employed b

actor in place-names, but in the majority of nstances it occurs in the names of towns and illages, and not in the names of streams, am abroad at present, and have not access j

an English gazetteer, but, writing from memory, this is my impression. In my last note I gave the names of a group of villages

n East Kent having the terminal " bourne," )ut at this moment I cannot recall the name of a single streamlet in the district which ends with that word, though doubtless some exist.

It is quite true, as MR. RUTTON says, that is perfectly consistent with the hypothesis which, with Bos worth at my back, I pro- visionally put forward namely, that the old thirteenth - century manor of Westbourne derived its name from its situation on the western bank of the rivulet. But I am open to conviction on the production of the evi- dence for which I asked. It would be very satisfactory if some Eastbourne correspon- dent of * N. & Q.' could assist us with infor- mation on the following points : (a) was that town originally situated on a brook called the East Bourne, from which it has derived its name ; or (b) was the first settlement made on the eastern bank of a brook, nameless or not?
 * his termination implies water, but this fact

There are one or two other points in MR. BUTTON'S pleasantly written note from which

1 must regretfully express my dissent, such as the identity of the Holebourne with the River of Wells another subject " highly charged with argument," on which I have already recorded my opinion in these columns and the origin of the name " Thames," on which the latest word has perhaps been said by Mr. W. H. Duignan in his valuable little book on 'The Place-names of Staffordshire' (sub voce 'Tame'), which was recently re- viewed in ' N. & Q.' But these points are, of course, beside the main question at issue.

W. F. PRIDEAUX. Villa d'Este, Cernobbio, Como.

" BAR SINISTER " (9 th S. ix. 64, 152, 215, 315). A correspondent of the Intermediaire for 10 March, in treating of the " barre," wrongly considered to be a mark of " bas- tardy," observes that " a certain incoherence reigns in what has been said by classic and contemporary Mraldistes regarding this charge." He then goes on to ask for an examination of the question, and commences the discussion by quoting the article * Barre,' with the accompanying remarks, by the Count A. de Foras ('Le Blason, Dictionnaire et Remarques,' Grenoble, 1883, pp. 47 and 48),