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NOTES AND QUERIES. [9* s.vm. JULY 27,1901.

Grumach, i.e., the eighth Earl and after wards first Marquess of Argyll. Roger quotes this passage, but by some extra ordinary blunder understands it as referring to the seventh earl, the father of the eighth earl. His error is carefully reproduced ii the 'D.N.B.' and in the ordinary works o reference that are in popular use. If one could discover the year or years occupied in foreign travel, some light might be cast upon the matter. It is surely possible to discover this much about such a prominent man a^ the Earl of Stirling was, and to ascertair definitely which Earl of Argyll trayellec under his tutelage. Of course, the origina statement in the 'Argyll Papers,' which is based on Wod row's compilations, may be incorrect. If, however, it be correct, there can be no doubt that a very gross blunder has been made in the above-mentioned at- tempts at a biography of the Earl of Stirling I hope that some of your readers will be able to assist me in this matter.

JOHN WILLCOCK. Lerwick, N.B.

PASS-TICKETS OR CHECKS AT THEATRES IN SHAKESPEARE'S TIME. Can you inform me whether at the London theatres that is, "the Theatre," the Curtain at Shoreditch, the Globe on Bankside, and at the other house at Newington Butts or at any of the theatres in the time of Shakespeare and his partner Burbadge, pass-tickets or checks were issued ?

G. BOWERS.

PRINTING IN CHINA. Where is the earliest mention of the printing of books in China before the art was invented in or introduced into Europe to be found ? On p. Ill of " The .Interchangeable Covrse, or variety of things in the whole world ; and the Concvrrence of Armes and Learning, &c. : written in French by Loys le Roy called Regius : and Trans- lated into English by R. A. [i.e., Robert Ashley]. At London, 1594," it is stated :

"The inuention thereof [the art of printing] is attributed to the Germaiues, and began at Mentz.

. . .Notwithstanding the Portugues trancking about the farthest of the East and of the North, into China, & Catay, haue brought therehence bookes written in the language, and writing of that coun- tne : saying, that they have vsed it there a long time. Which hath made some to thinke that the muention therof was brought therhence thorough lartana, and Moscouia into Germany."

E. S. DODGSON.

RINGDOVES. There is at the present time within a few miles of me a ringdove which once belonged to myself. He is dove-coloured ( isabelle"), with a black ring. To the best of my remembrance he was hatched in May

1883, which makes him eighteen in May last. Is this a very unusual age for a dove? Have any of your readers known other instances of doves, ring or other, attain- ing this age 1 I often hear of him, and occa- sionally see him. He is quite well and " spry," notwithstanding his weight of years ; at least,

I presume eighteen is a great age for a dove.

JONATHAN BOUCHIER.

A QUOTATION IN JONSON. " Ripeness of judgment, which, as one truly saith,is gotten by four means : God, nature, diligence, and conversation" ('Discoveries'). Who said this? PERCY SIMPSON.

AGNES MUSGRAVE. Can any one say to what part of the country Agnes Musgrave belonged 1 She wrote at least five books : ' Cicely ; or, the Rose of Raby,' ' The Solemn Injunction,' 'The Confession,' 'William de Montfort,' and ' Edmund Forrest.' Not one is dated from any particular place, nor is there any clue as to where she belonged in any of the authorities usually giving such details.

W. GRAHAM.

LORDSHIP OF CRAWFORD. In his genea- logical account of the Lindsay family (see the ' Peerage and Baronetage for 1900,' * Earl of Crawford ') Burke states that Sir William de Lindsay, who sat in Parliament in 1164 as Baron of Luffness, was the first " proprietor of Crawford "; and again, further on, that William de Lindsay, third Lord of Ercildun, " acquired the lordship of Crawford in Clydes- iale before 1200." I shall be glad to learn what is intended to be conveyed by these statements. Did the latter of these per- sonages acquire the lordship of Crawford .n the ordinary course of succession, by a fresh grant of the sovereign, or how 1 And what is the significance of the term "lord- ship " as used by Burke ? I find it stated in Sir Robert Douglas's * Peerage of Scotland ' revised by Wood) that a William de Lindsay uade a donation to the monastery of New- bottle of part of his lands of Crawford before 1195, but it is carefully explained that those ands were held by the Lindsays merely as vassals of S wane, son of Thor, reputed ancestor )f the Ruthvens (vide pp. 372 and 658 of TQ\. i.); and as it is elsewhere mentioned that jir John de Crawford, last Baron of Crawford, iid not die till the year 1248, according to he Melrose ' Chronicle,' I conclude that Burke uses the term "lordship" strictly with refer- nce to proprietorship, though it appears in

II old edition of the 'Peerage and Baronetage ' of 1866) as practically equivalent to "barony," nd by at least one other author (George lobertson) is so employed. Sir John Craw-