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CLASSICAL REFERENCE WANTED. Who was it (some Roman, I think) who was held out of the window by his foot and threatened with precipitation unless he would renounce something he had said 1 J. M.

JOHN THURBANE. He was M.P. for Sand- \vich several times, and one of those who supported the canopy over William and Mary at their coronation (1689). Probably a son of James Thurbane, town clerk of Sand- wich. Arms, Sable, a griffin passant argent. In Boys's * Hist, of Sandwich ' the family is said to be eminent in the Cinque Ports, especially Hastings and Romney. John Thurbane was admitted a Serjeant-at-Law in 1689. Any particulars about him or his family would be acceptable.

ARTHUR HUSSEY.

BENJAMIN ROBERT HAYDON, HISTORICAL PAINTER. I am desirous of gleaning in- formation as to the whereabouts of the numerous pictures which were executed by this talented, but ill-fated painter between the years 1806 and 1846, when his tragic death took place. He is, perhaps, best known for the size of his pictures, although many of them were meritorious, but he attained considerable notoriety by his con- tinuous tilts at the Royal Acadeniy. I may add that I have received valuable information from the Directors of the National Gallery and National Portrait Gallery respectively, but I am anxious to locate the remainder of Haydon's pictures, whether in public galleries or in private collections. The fact of his being a native of Plymouth must be my excuse for trying to secure the information I need through your columns, but I shall be glad to receive particulars privately if any of your contributors will kindly oblige me. W. H. K. WRIGHT, Borough Librarian.

Plymouth.

[His l Curtius,' riding into the gap, is in Gatti's Restaurant, Villiers Street, Strand.]

AUTHORS OF QUOTATIONS WANTED. Does this become a soldier ? this become Whom armies followed, and a people lov'd? A citizen of Rome, while Rome survived. Whatever sweets Sabsean springs disclose, Our Indian jasmin, and the Persian rose. How often must it weep, how often burn ! So odd, my country's ruin made me grave.

H. T. B. On one of our great breakwaters is inscribed :

These be imperial works, worthy of kings. Can any one kindly identify it, and give^ exact wording and authorship ? (*. E. D.

High Heaven itself our impious rage assails.

WELSH MANUSCRIPT PEDIGREES. (9 th S. iv. 412, 483.)

PERMIT me to thank you for giving me so much of your valuable space in order to draw attention to the invaluable MS. Nos. 28,033 and 28,034 now deposited in the British Museum. 1 have spent a considerable time in carefully studying it, and I am compelled to modify, and indeed correct, some of the views I had formed upon it. I had based my conclusions mainly upon two premises : that this MS. was, as Mr. G. Evans most positively assured me, in the autograph of Robert Vaughan, of Hengwrt, and, secondly, that MS. 2299 formed a portion of MS. 359 of the Heugwrt collection.

I found the clearest evidence in the volume itself that Mr. Evans was in error in stating that it is in the autograph of Robert Vaughan, for that gentleman has annotated it in several parts, always signing his name or initials, and in one place (fo. 239) an addition of some importance is signed in full "Robert Vychan de Hengwrt." The addition of his place is made, I think, by Peter Ellis, the alleged author of the work that is, assuming that the writing on the fly-leaf, of that gentleman's name and residence, is in his handwriting ; so that I get over the difficulty of obtaining proof of Robert Vaughan's handwriting, which I failed to get at Peniarth, for here it is.

On comparing more closely Harl. 2299 with this book, I found that the late Mr. Wynne was in error in supposing that it was part of his MS. 359, which, I take it, is a copy of his great work 96 of the Hengwrt collection. At all events, pp. 785-7 of that book are nearly identical with some of the pages of the Peter Ellis book, although his copy 359 (whilst also mainly agreeing with them) con- tained several important additions. I had previously only compared the table of con- tents of Peter Ellis and 2299, and certainly they are identical, the latter being clearly a copy of the other, because additions and corrections of Peter Ellis are written straight off in 2299 ; but it would appear that this table of contents has no real connexion with the volume, and most certainly the body of the book is not copied from Peter Ellis (as Hengwrt 96 is), for not only is the order of the pedigrees quite different, but the matter also ; and yet some of the pages notified agree with the body. The pagination of the two tables is entirely different. It is suggested that they have been bound up together by