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NOTES AND QUERIES.

[9 th S. II. OCT. 29, '98.

TUER refers to. It has struck me that copies for such things, printed in solid black on white paper, may have been published by Ackermann and others. An illustrated paper by Mr. Tuer on 'The Art of Silhouetting' appeared some time ago in the English Illus- trated Magazine; but he says nothing on this point. ARTIST.

SIR MARTIN FROBISHER (6 th S. iii. 311 ; 9 th S. i. 508 ; ii. 116). Sir Martin's paternity seems to be now taken for granted, but critical genealogy is not a strong point with literary men. Even in the 'Dictionary of National Biography ' we read that Sir Martin " belonged to a Welsh family," and that " his father, Bernard Frobisher, of Altofts, died during his infancy." The first statement has been disposed of; the second can be dis- proved. Hunter (' South Yorks,' i. 32) wrote guardedly :

"In some genealogical memoranda of nearly con- temporary date it is stated that Barnard was the

father of Sir Martin by a daughter of York. This

does not appear in the Visitation (of 1563), but it receives some cprroboration from this circumstance, that Sir Martin is known to have had a sister named Margaret, and the baptism of Margaret, daughter of Barnard Frobisher, is registered at Normanton, in which parish Altofts is situated, on 10 Feb., 1541. Barnard was buried at Normanton, 1 Sept., 1542, when Sir Martin must have been quite an infant."

Now Sir Martin mentions in his will his sister Margaret and her sons Eichard and William Jackson, and the ' Heralds' Visita- tion of Yorks, 1612 ' (Foster's ed. p. 538), states that Anthony Jackson, of Killingwoldgrave, J.P., married Margery, daughter of Gregory Frobisher, of Altofts, Esq. Gregory thus would be the name of Sir Martin's father, and there is no reason to doubt it. From Dr. Sykes's notes I find Gregory Frobisher, Gent., was buried at Normanton, 17 May, 1583, but his children were not baptized there, nor did he leave a will. In 1566 he, with Ann his wife, passed lands in Altoftes to William Frobyser, Esq.; and in 1575 Gregory Frobysher, Gent., and Ann passed two messuages in Houghton and Castleford to Martin Greene, Gent. (Dr. Collins, 'Yorks Fines,' i. 325 ; ii. 72). Sir Martin was probably named after this Martin Greene, one of the Greenes of Horsforth.

It may be worth while to correct here the usual misstatement about Sir Martin's second wife Dorothy, daughter of Thomas, Lord Wentworth, of Nettlestead, co. Suffolk. She was not "widow of Sir William Widmerpoole" ('Diet. Nat. Biog. '&c.), but of Paul Withipol, of Ipswich, who died in his father's lifetime, i.e., before 1582, and by whom she had, with

other children, Mary, married to Martin Frobisher, Sir Martin's nephew mentioned in his will. Widmerpoole was a name known in the North ; Withipol was not, being that of a Bristol family which had name from a place called Withypool (Widepolle in Domesday Book), situated " amid wild scenery," near Dunster. Robert Thome, a famous Bristol merchant trading with Spain, and one of the earliest promoters of Transatlantic adventure and exploration, married Joan Withipol, the sister of Paul's grandfather. Thome was the founder of the Bristol Grammar School, which still uses a shield with Thorne impaling Withipol. Dorothy survived Sir Martin, and married thirdly Sir John Savile, baron of the Exchequer. Frobisher's first wife, Isabel " Riggat," was widow of Thomas Rickard, of Snaith, co. York, where he married her 30 May, 1559. A. S. ELLIS. Westminster.

THE GEORGE WORN BY CHARLES I. (9 th S. ii. 263). May I be permitted to add that in the Stuart Exhibition of 1889, besides the "Onyx George of Charles I. (No. 404), lent by Her Majesty the Queen," there was an "Onyx George of the Garter of Prince Charles Edward (No. 561), lent by the Duke of Beau- fort, K.G."? KILLIGREW.

" BOB-BAW ! " (9 th S. ii. 226.) In Yorkshire this maternal warning is generally pro- nounced bab-bah ! and often contracted to a severe babba. Usually it is followed by the word naughty or dirty. Sometimes one hears " Babba, nasty !" when the child tries to taste some offensive substance, or "Babba, poison !" when it stuffs wild berries into its mouth ; and at a very early age the child learns to speak of everything objectionable as babba. Has it not been derived by mothers from bad, adapted to the baby lips which are first taught to say dadda, followed by mamma ? H. SNOWDEN WARD.

The usual expression in South Lancashire is " Ah, bab-ba ! Naughty ! " or, when the baby has conveyed some objectionable sub- stance to its mouth, "Ah, bab-ba ! Put it out ! " These vowel sounds correspond more closely with the suggested derivation than the form in use in the Midlands ; but is not the word more likely to be the baby-talk form of bad-bad 1 At the moment of writing I am informed that " Ogs-a-Gogs-a-Didlums !" ejaculated trochaically, has been used in precisely the same way as the above, and in the same district. In the latter case an origin bordering on the onomatopoetic appears to be suggested. The baby, of course, takes