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 9 S. XL APRIL 4, 1903.] NOTES AND QUERIES.

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Parish Registers in England,' 1862, says : " The Roman Catholic clergy in Ireland have not until lately been accustomed to keep any registers whatever." He also quotes the following from Whitelaw and Walsh's 4 History of Dublin' (1818) :

"In cities where births and deaths are faithfully registered the number of inhabitants may be estimated with a degree of accuracy that approxi- mates truth, but in Dublin this resource totally fails. In the Established Church the parish registers have been for many years shamefully neglected, and though latterly more attended to, in consequence of the repeated injunctions of the late Archbishops of Dublin, yet from the number of children still baptized in private houses, and the very great number of poor persons buried in cemeteries without the city, they are still very defective. Protestant Dissenters, Quakers excepted, are equally inattentive to this business, and Roman Catholics, who constitute so large a portion of the population of this city, keep no register whatever."

For the history of births, deaths, and marriages in Ireland since 1 January, 1864, see 'Parish Registers in England,' by Robert E. C. Waters, B.A., London, 1883.

EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. 71, Brecknock Road.

It would be well to consult the Reports of the Deputy-Keeper of Records in Ireland, and also the indices of wills, &c., in the later volumes. As to published works, the pains- taking extracts (though from their nature not complete) from the parish registers given in 'The Church of St. John the Evangelist, Dublin,' and 'The Church of St. Werburgh, Dublin,' both by the Rev. S. C Hughes, should be consulted. There is, besides, a 'History of Taney Parish,' pub- lished by a Dublin firm, which should not be overlooked by genealogists. Then there are the full registers of Dublin churches pub- lished by the Huguenot Society of London.

PATRICK.

A full list of the parochial records of Ireland, including Dublin, is given in Ap- pendix iv. to the Twenty-third Report of the Deputy-Keeper of the Public Records in Ire- land, 1891, price Is. Id This can be obtained of Eyre & Spottiswoode,East Harding Street, E.G. W. H. RICHARDSON.

DOROTHY GIFFORD=JOHN PAGETT (9 th S. xi. 128, 215). May I repeat my query, and ask G. D. B. if he can kindly give me any par- ticulars of the parentage of either Dorothy Gifford or her husband John Pagett, to whom she was married by Dublin licence, dated 19 December, 1667 1 When did this lady die ; and had they any family ?

WM. JACKSON PIGOTT.

ACCURACY IN QUOTATION S. xi. 161, 223). I beg leave to call attention to an ancient Tamil proverb, probably derived from the Sanscrit, which in some form or another may, perhaps must, have been in the mind of the writer of 'The Earl of Essex' when he wrote that righteous monarchs, "To rule o'er freemen, should themselves be free." The Tamil proverb, like all ancient proverbs, smacks of the every -day life of the people, and because of its raciness and humour and aptness and unquestionable truth probably penetrated as rapidly as such proverbs usually do far beyond the place of its origin in a short space of time. It runs thus : "Who drives fat cattle should himself be fat." I do not know if this is a well- known proverb in any European country. It is quite conceivable that it was brought from India in the seventeenth century by the Por- tuguese or the Dutch or the English, and became current in one or other of their countries. But it seems to be extremely likely that it was in BoswelFs mind when he wrote : " Who rules o'er freemen should him- self be free." The ancient proverb is simple, terse, and of universal application. The political modification of it is strained. A saying that requires explanation is not a good proverb. FRANK PENNY, LL.M.

[Our correspondent seems to have forgotten the origin of the line in Bos well's 'Johnson.']

As the reference at 7 th S. xii. 19 to St. Luke xxiii. 34 was of my making, I ought, perhaps, to explain it. It is obvious that our Lord implies that His Father will forgive because He does know what they do. It is the ground of St. Peter's assurance when appearances are against him : "Lord, Thou knowest all things: Thou knowest that I love Thee" (St. John xxi. 17). W. C. B.

ALLUSIONS IN 'SARTOR RESARTUS ' (9 th S. x. 507 ; xi. 117). As MR. FISCHER stated that he wished for an early reply, I wrote direct, with a reference to Maclise's * Portrait Gal- lery,' where is an evidently lifelike portrait of Tide. G. A. MATTHEW.

PORTRAIT OF DANTE (9 th S. xi. 187). Cary, in a note to his translation of Dante's 'Inferno' (xxiii. 103 in the original), quotes a long passage from Villani concerning the Cavalieri Gaudenti of Florence. In 1266 two knights, Frati Godenti of Bologna, one a Guelph and the other a Ghibelline, were chosen by the ruling Ghibellines of Florence to have the chief power in that city in order to appease the populace and prevent strife. These " Joyous Friars" were called Knights