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tyrant, so that perhaps she wanted her father's help against her husband's tyranny ? Did she not say, in conduct, though not in words, ' l I have overthrown all your plans for me, I have connected you with people that you dislike, I have done all that I wishea and all that you did not wish, so now you must forgive and forget " 1

- M. N. G.

PULPIT IN CHAPTER-HOUSE (9 th S. x. 347). In reply to MR. HUSSEY, a pulpit, properly so called, is no part of the furniture of a monastic chapter-house, but alectern certainly is, though I know of no rule as to its being fixed or movable. If very heavy and solid e.g., if constructed of wrought brass, marble, of stone it would obviously be seldom or never moved from its place ; but nowadays such lecterns are generally made of wood. The lectern is placed at a point about a third of the way from the chapter-house door to the wall at the other end, in the centre of which is the abbot's stall ; and from it are read, at the office of Prime, the martyrology of the day and a portion of the Holy Rule (I am speaking of Benedictine monasteries). I may add that the chapter-house of a monastery is practically always of an oblong shape. Westminster Abbey presents one of the very few exceptions to this rule.

D. OSWALD HUNTER-BLAIR, O.S.B.

Oxford.

ARMS OF ETON AND WINCHESTER COLLEGES (9 th S. ix. 241, 330; x. 29, 113, 233). I have been making inquiries in order to learn whether the "three lilies proper" are dis- played anywhere at Winchester. I find that they appear upon the painted roof of the small hall which forms the entrance from the ancient " county hall " into the modern law courts. This small hall is of the same date as the courts, the erection of which was begun in or soon after 1871; and the roof, which is decorated with arms and seals of Hampshire boroughs, &c., displays, so far as Winchester is concerned, (1) the city's present arms of five castles and two lions ; (2) a three-towered castle, with the date 1589, and the words " Sigillum civium Wintoniensium," which represents an old city seal ;* and (3) the three lilies encircled with the words " Arma de Winchester." The county autho- rities were responsible for the decoration of this roof ; but I am informed that in painting up the lilies they relied entirely upon information supplied by civic officials.

at Winchester, 1845, p. 108.
 * See Proceedings of the Archaeological Institute

Amongst the objects of interest exhibited in the chamber over the west gate of the city is the celebrated standard bushel of the time of Henry VII. (see the statutes 11 Henry VII., c. 4 ; 12 Henry VII., c. 5). The bushel stands on a painted wooden pedestal which does not appear to be of great antiquity. Some shields have been painted on this pedestal, and one of them bears the three lilies.

The facts I have mentioned afford no evidence that the. lilies actually were once the city's arms, but merely indicate that a belief that they had, formerly been the city's arms was entertained by some person or persons in authority at Winchester in the nineteenth century. It is not unlikely that this belief was mainly due to the fact that Milner's 'History of Winchester,' i. 374 (second edition), has a plate in which the three lilies appear as "ancient arms of Win- chester according to Guillim." The allusion to Guillim seems to*be inaccurate, - and to assign to him erroneously the authorship of 'Analogia Honorum.' See the third re- ference.

Hitherto my inquiries have failed to elicit any local information rendering it probable that the lilies were ever really the arms either of Winchester city or of Win- chester College. As regards the college, these arms do not appear to have been at any time recognized as belonging to it by any person in authority there.

I am grateful to MR. A. R. BAYLEY for drawing our attention to the passage which he cites at the fifth reference from ' A History of New College.' This passage probably explains the favour nowadays shown to the idea that Wykeham s father was a carpenter. It seems also to confirm the views I ex- pressed at the fourth reference upon the origin of that idea.

In an article on 'English Municipal Heraldry,' published in the Archaeological Journal, vol. lii. (1895), Mr. W. H. St. John Hope mentions Winchester (at p. 190) as being a city the approximate date of the arms of which cannot be easily fixed, because the arms are neither entered in visitations nor shown upon datable seals.

H. C.

SAINTS IN LINDSAY'S 'MoN ARCHIE' (9 th S. x. 249, 371). There is an error in MR. HERBERT FLOWER'S interesting reply which he will suffer me to point out. St. Enoch in Glasgow is not a corruption of St. Triduana, nor is it easy to see how it could be so. Ifc represents the name of St. Thenau, Thenew, or Theneuc, the mother of St. Kentigern, and