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392 NOTES AND QUERIES. [i2S.ix.Nov.i2,io2i. chapter of St. Omer, who wished to reconstruct it at their own church. The project, however, was never executed, the sculptured figures alone being transported from Thérouanne, a distance of about nine miles.

(12 S. ix. 352). To enumerate the various artists of more or , less repute who painted pictures of fox- hunting, coursing and other field sports in the j seventeenth century would take up more I space than the Editor of ' N. & Q.' would care to place at my disposal. To mention but a few of the best known, there are John Wootton (1685-1765) ; Samuel Howitt( 1757- j 1823), James Seymour (1702-1752), Dean; Wolstenholme (1757-1837) and several mem- i bers of the Sartorius family. The works of these and numerous others j are fully recorded in a monumental work by j the late Sir Walter Gilbey in his ' Animal | Painters of England,' published in three volumes by Vin on and Co., of 8, Bream's ! Buildings, Chancery Lane. The price is 6 net, but the books could be referred to by j SPORTSMAN at the British Museum andl doubtless at sundry other large public libraries. WIIXOUGHBY MAYCOCK. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ( 12 S. ix. 352). Heraldry was not taken up professionally until the reign of Henry VI., and before that arms were used, if not in England, certainly in Normandy and Wales. It must be re- membered that Sir W. Dugdale was a "> professional " and that Heralds are ap- pointed but without salary, and have to make what they can by searching for and granting arms. Naturally they desired to deprive younger sons of the right to bear arms so that these should apply for a grant. If younger sons had no right to arms, why , were cadency marks wanted ? Heraldry is invaluable to the genealo- gist ; its use is obvious. By no other means can a whole pedigree be shown in a minute space. Heraldry is more valuable than mere initials which may belong to anyone, nor can badges and -ciphers describe a descent so clearly as can a I small shield. Far better is a small shield on j a tomb than a long-winded epitaph. It is I the Heralds who have debased heraldry by giving travesties of arms to anyone of a similar name. Sir William Dugdale may have made the j three statements quoted, but these were never carried out in real life. The best authority on the subject is Gwillim, and the proof is that all writers after him quote from him. The number of letters sent to me proves that heraldry is useful and that in the years to come it will gain rather than lose students, and that, as at present constituted, the Heralds' College does not hold the position it was created to fill and never will, unless it is worked on a very different basis. The above explains why very old families use arms but have no record of a grant of any kind. The pity is that by a very little re -organization the Heralds' College might become useful and hold a different position. E. E. COPE. Finchampstead Place, Berks. I do not know if your correspondent has read ' The Right to bear Arms,' by "X." This book would probably give him all the information he requires. In the 2nd ed., p. 116, the author states : A Patent of Arms in England usually grants arms ... to a man " and his descendants according to the laws of arms." Often " the other descendants of his Father " are added, and occasion- ally, but very exceptionally, the limitation has been still further widened. Such arms then equally descend to all legitimate descendants in the male line of those persons to whom the arms are granted. FREDERIC CROOKS. THISTLETHWAYTE FAMILIES (12 S. ix. 331). The only arms that I can find ascribed to the family of Thistlethwayte are Or, on a bend azure three pheons of the field. They are borne by Thistlethwayte of Winterslow and by the branch of the family which inherited Southwick Park, in Hampshire. The arms on the book-plate referred to by MR. PRICE are the same ; the pheons are very indistinct in the engraving but may easily be seen with a magnifying glass. H. J. B. CLEMENTS. The arms of the Hampshire family are Or, on a bend azure, three pheons of the field. I have two book-plates with the name Alex. Thistlethwayte, Esq. One is equi- lateral, the name on a tablet with five cupids, I should say of Jacobean style ; size of plate 4 X 2J inches. The other is of Chippendale style, size of plate 2 X If inches. The crest, in both cases, a demi-lion holding a pheon. There were two Alexanders of Winterslow of about 1715-1750, which I should say is about the date of the book plates. HORACE W. MONCKTON. DOk- '