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NOTES AND QUERIES. [i2s.v. FEB., 1919.

Robertson." I have now discovered that the pseudonymous author was John Robert Seeley. See the admirable memoir prefixed by Mr. G. W. Prothero to Seeley' s * Growth of British Policy ' (1895), and the notice of Seeley, also by Mr. Prothero, in the ' D.N.B.'

CHARLES LLEWELYN DAVIES. 10 Lupus Street, Pimlico, S.W.I.

CREST ON CHURCH PLATE (12 S. iv. 331). What are the articles about which the REV. A. B. MILNER inquires ? It is unusual to find ecclesiastical plate bearing a crest unless, as occasionally happens, a secular piece has been willed or presented by the owner to a local church. F. BRADBURY.

PATEN OR SALVER ? (12 S. v. 13.) The paten which is used at the Sacrament was in the Queen Anne period also in use as a salver for household purposes, and patens are still to be found in the plate-chests of old families bearing crests, with coat of arms in the centre. The one referred to by Miss SHARLAND, bearing a coat of arms, was obviously intended for domestic purposes. Instances of consecrated church plate subse- quently adapted for household purposes are probably non-existent, although many speci- mens formerly ecclesiastical property are to-day displayed in museums and private collections. F. BRADBURY.

Sheffield.

A salver on a single truncated foot or base, sometimes called a tazza, was made in large quantities in England during the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the first quarter of the eighteenth, until it was ousted from favour by the more popular three-legged waiter or salver.

An exactly similar vessel was in use as a paten in the Church during the same period. This was a development from the paten- covers of Communion cups of the seventeenth century. E. ALFRED JONES.

Patens were at one period evidently designed for domestic as well as ecclesiastical Tise. C. J. Jackson in his * History of English Plate,' &c. (Batsford, 1911), says :

'* Many of the Elizabethan Communion patens were plain plates transferred to the Church from secular use. Some patens of the latter part of the seventeenth century were ordinary domestic aalvers similarly transferred."

Several instances are recorded of patens 'having been in domestic use before being dedicated to the service of the Church, and possibly this accounts for the similarity -of the church paten with Miss SHARLAND'S .salver. ARCHIBALD SPARKE.

NEATE (12 S. v. 13). Early in 1914, while I was in St. Kitts, B.W.I., a friend showed me a portrait of the Rev. Richard tfeate, painted by his grandson Richard ^"eate in December, 1827. On the back was pasted a book-plate of the " REV D RICH D NEATE, LL.B.," late Chippendale armorial in style, with the arms as given in Burke' s ' Armory ' for Neate of London and Swindon. I was informed that Charles O'Hara Neate, a son of the parson, was a planter whose name appeared in the list of 1840.
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The book-plate may be seen at the British Museum, in the Franks Collection, no. 21,599.

The year 1827 does not agree with the date of death 1817, but I give it as I noted it.

V. L. OLIVER. Sunninghill, Berks.

ST. HENRY THE ENGLISHMAN : BISHOP THOMAS IN FINLAND (12 S. iv. 331). As to St. Henry see Bp. Challoner's ' Britannia Sancta ' (London, 1745), part i. pp. 65-7 ; but, if Challoner is right in following Cardinal Baron ius in placing St. Henry's death in 1151, The Daily Chronicle must be wrong in its dates. JOHN B. WAINEWRIGHT.

According to Gams, ' Series Episcoporum,' the " S. Henricus Anglus," martyr, in ques- tion became Bishop of Upsala in 1152, and died on Jan. 19, 1157. His life was pub- lished by the Bollandists in their ' Acta Sanctorum ' under that date.

The other Englishman was Stephanus (not Thomas), a Cistercian, who became Bishop of Upsala in 1162, and two years later first Archbishop of the same see. He died on Aug. 18, 1185. For references see Gams, op. cit. L. L. K.

" WATER-PIPES," PSALM XLII. 9, PRAYER BOOK VERSION (12 S. iv. 243). W. S. B. H. appears to connect the expression " water- pipes " of the Prayer Book version with the idea of the conveyance of water for ordinary domestic purposes through wooden pipes. This would be a noiseless process. The A.V. and R.V. version " water-spouts " gives the clue to the meaning. I imagine that the thought in the mind of the trans- lator was the roar of the water as it was discharged from the roofs of buildings, during heavy rainfall, by means of the gar- goyles, water-spouts, or water-pipes, straight down to the gutters below. This was the crude method of disposing of surface water for long years after 1535.