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LAKES PASCHOLLER AND CALENDARI, NEAR THTJSIS. The * Swiss Tourist ' London, 1816) at p. 145 says :

" From Thusis the traveller should go to the village of Flerda, a league distant, situated at the foot of the mountains, and from there ascepd Mount Heinsils, on one of the summits of which is the Lake of Pascholler. This lake is small, but very deep ; on the approach of storms it boils in the same manner as Lake Calendari."

Then, dealing with the Via Mala (at p. 146), the same authority states :

" Two leagues from Ander is Lake Calendari which boils furiously on the approach of storms 5 it is less than Lake Pascholler, and the ebullition which takes place is still stronger."

Mount Heinsils is presumably Heinzen- 'berg. Where is Flerda, and where are the two lakes ? JOHN B. WAINEWRIGHT.

NEATE. I should be glad of any 'in- formation about the following members of this family :

(1) Charleston of Richard Neat e of Lon- don, who graduated M.A. at Cambridge in 1769, and died March 5, 1782.

(2) Charles, who was admitted to West- minster School in 1780.

(3) Richard, son of Richard Neate of Hor- bury, Yorkshire, who gradiated LL.B. at Cambridge in 1759, and died Jan. 25, 1817.

(4) Richard, who was admitted to West- minster School in 1774.

(5) William, admitted to the same school in 1745, aged 8. G. F. R. B.

NEWMAN. Can correspondents give me any information about the following New- mans who were educated at Westminster Sohool ?

(1) John, who graduated B.A. at Cam- bridge from St. John's Coll. in 1754, and was ordained in 1756.

(2) Thomas, admitted in 1718, aged 14.

(3) Thomas, admitted in 1742, aged 11.

(4) William, admitted in 1715, aged 13,

(5) William, admitted in 1718, aged 12.

G. F. R. B.

PATEN OR SALVER ? Were patens origin- ally designed for domestic as well as for church purposes ? Is there any instance of a paten that was once a piece of 'Com- munion plate having been diverted from that sacred use and added to a collection of household silver ? The paten in which I am specially interested is 13 inches in diameter, has gadroon. border, London mark, date 1690. It weighs about 31 oz. avoirdupois, and has a coat of arms in the centre. This piece of plate has until lately

been supposed by its possessor to be a salver, but its exact counterpart (with a different coat of arms) was on show recently in a loan exhibition and was described in the catalogue as a paten. I shall be grateful for information.

(Miss) E. CRTJWYS SHABLAND. 26 Waldeck Street, Reading.

STAGS AND EGLANTINE : ELIZABETHAN COURT STORY. Can any reader suggest an explanation of the fact that two families of Elizabethan times had for crests stags which bore in their mouths, or wore as a chaplet around their necks, sprigs of honey- suckle or eglantine ? Is there any tradition as to the origin of the " eglantine " so borne on the crests of the families of Hardwick and of Suckling of Norfolk, as is suggested by the following, from the pen of a member of the Society of Antiquaries ?

" On a mount vert a stag current, gorged with a chaplet of roses, all proper. This crest belonged to the father of the famous Bess of Hardwick, ancestress of the Dukes of Devon- shire. At Bard wick there is a remarkable table, made upon the occasion of her fourth marriage that to the Earl of Shrewsbury and ornate with armorial bearings, representa- tions of musical instruments, &c., inlaid in marqueterie over the entire surface of the table top. The date of the marriage was 1668, and the stag of Hardwick in profusion surrounds a central escutcheon bearing the verse :

The Redolent Smle

Of ^Eglentyne

We Stagges exavlt

To the Deveyne, which modernized should be :

The redolent smell of eglantine We stags exalt to the divine. " The crest of the Sucklings is a stag current or, in the mouth a sprig of honeysuckle proper. Originally the stag was trippant, and the honeysuckle was absent ; but the story is that Queen Elizabeth, when entertained at 'Norwich in 1578 by that town, conferred upon Alderman Robert Suckling -the augmentation as a rebus on his name Suckling colloquially the hone>- suckle or woodbine.

" There is the same idea, although quite unjustifiable, of a rebus connecting the name with the honeysuckle in the motto, namely, ' Mora trahit periculum ' (' Delay causes danger '). The motto is peculiar to the Sucklings, and would seem to have been chosen for the play on the similarity of the words periculum, ' danger,' and periclymenum, honey- suckle or woodbine.

" In each case we have an Elizabethan origin. In the one the Queen herself conferred bhe augmentation upon the stag ; in the other the verse calling attention to it was the central ornament of the state table used at the marriage of her High Steward. In each case a stag is adorned with one of the sweetest-smelling of our