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 NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s. in. JAN. 20,1917.

" WIPERS " : YPRES (12 S. ii. 526). 'Capt. Montagu Burrows, R.N., in his ' Cinque Ports ' (" Historic Towns Series "), pub- lished 1892, p. 81, mentions that the Ypres Tower at Rye, Sussex, is known as " Wiper's Tower."

In the Fifth Report of the Historical MSS. Commissioners occurs the following : " 23, 24 Hen. VI. A.D. 1445 - 6, New Romney. John Iprys, born at Duraham, was .-admitted to the freedom on the 12th day of August, in the 22 year of Hen. VI., and he gives for his freedom 3s. 4d." The Cor- poration of Rye sold the tower in 1430 to . John Ypres, who was a jurat of Rye.

The tower here mentioned, built by William of Ypres, probably in the time of King Stephen, is still an ornament to the town of Rye.

" 1452. John Iprys of Rye, Esq., grants to 'Thomas Stoghtone of London, fishmonger, the tower. The seal of arms of John Iprys is still appended and in good condition." P. 499, Historical MSS. Commissioners' Fifth Heport. R. J. FYNMORE.

Sand gate.

With reference to the interesting note with the above title, will one of your corre- spondents, learned in the Flemish language, 'be so kind as to tell me what is the Flemish pronunciation, or form, of the word ?

I have often wondered, in my ignorance, whether the humorous and ancient mis- pronunciation " Wipers " of the name of this famous and unhappy city was so far out, after all. A. R. BAYXEY.

BRASSEY FAMILY (12 S. ii. 269, 333). I have in my possession a quantity of notes, xas well as a pedigree in MS. of this family which I obtained a few years ago from my iather-in-law the late E. Brassey Crockett, -whose mother was a daughter of Richard John Brassey of Hertingfordbury. They -were copied by him in 1904 from a MS. in the possession of his uncle Major Brassey of New Zealand, who died a couple of years later, aged, I think, 92 years. I am writing ^away from home, and therefore speak from memory ; but I believe that one of the Hertfordshire visitations connects the family with the Cheshire family, and that the arms ^are the same, except that there is a martlet and not a mallard in the first quarter. I possess a copy of the Chippendale book- plate of Nathaniel Brassey, M.P., but believe that he was wrong in blazoning the mallard. 'The Cheshire Brasseys were not in evidence in the eighteenth century, and Nathaniel -possibly thought that he was the senior

representative of the family, and therefore entitled to the Cheshire arms. The family is not extinct, although I cannot without a reference to my notes give either the names or addresses of its present repre- sentatives. The name, as CANON DEEDES states, is uniformly pronounced " Bracey." A few years ago, when Lord Brassey was governor of one of the Australian colonies, he visited Major Brassey in New Zealand for the purpose of comparing notes.

GEORGE H. CAMERON, Archdeacon of Johannesburg. Capetown.

CHRISTOPHER URSWICK (12 S. ii. 108, 197, 259, 516). A friend has kindly given me the hint that Reumont's paper was pub- lished originally in the Archivio Storico Italiano (fourth series, vol. iv.). The English ambassador is described by him as

"Cristoforo Urswick alias Bambridge, abate di Abingdon, e nel 1502 oratore in Ungheria per Arrigo VII (not VIII] Re, morto cardinale, arcives- eovo di York e predecessore del Wolsey."

Now, neither of the two individuals in question was Abbot of Abingdon, and there is no record of Bainbridge having been to Hungary in 1502, or at any other date, as Henry VTI.'s ambassador. Moreover, as pointed out by me, Urswick did not seem to have got beyond Augsburg on his mission in 1496. Reumont gives no reference, and, like Kippis, "has the doubtful form Barn- bridge," as will be seen. L. L. K.

BATH FORUM : CONTINUITY BETWEEN ROMAN AND ANGLO-SAXON BATH (12 S. ii. 429, 495, 532). I am grateful to MR. RICHARD MANN, but ask leave to point out that he is flying in the face of tradition. Owing to War conditions I have immediate access to two chronicles only, Hollinshed and Grafton.

Hollinshed writes (Book V. chap, xvii.) :

"Also about the 3eere of our Lord 581, the foresaid king Cheuling incountered with the Britains at a place called Diorth.and obteining the upper hand, tooke from them the cities of Bath, Glocester, and Cirencester." Grafton expresses himself thus (7th part) :-

" Ceaulmus, desirous of honour, maintayned his warre against the Britons, so that after he made a newe voyage against them, and gave them another discomfiture, and tooke from them the Cities of Bathe, Gloucester, and Worcestre, which should be as Reynulph accompteth in the xxix }ere of the reigne of Malgo.''

I am no expert in the matter of chronicles, and consequently cannot inform your readers from what source the tradition em- bodied in Hollinshed and Grafton comes ;