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1749, leaving 264Z. 11s. 6d. Her husband belonged to the Gordons of Buthlaw, Aber- deenshire, progenitor of the more famous Thomas Gordon, who fought for the inde- pendence of Greece. J. M. BULLOCH. 118, Pall Mall.

MYTTON AND HAKDWICKE MSS. I am informed by a friend that in 'N. & Q.' for 27 December, 1902 (9 S. x. 509), inquiry was made as to these MSS. I have in my possession Wm. Hardwicke's MS. pedigrees of about 1,400 Shropshire families ; also Mytton's MSS. for a history of Bridgnorth. R. F. HASLEWOOD.

The Croft, Bridgnorth, Shropshire.

GROSVENOR SQUARE : ITS ORIGIN. The following account of the origin of Grosvenor Square appeared as an advertisement in The Daily Post of 12 July, 1725 :

" The several New Streets design' d in Grosvenor Buildings in the Parish of St. George, Hanover Square, and lying between New Bond-street and Hyde Park, where [sic] last Week particularly nam'd ; upon which Occasion Sir Richard Grosvenor, Bart., gave a very splendid Entertain- ment to his Tenants and others concern' d in those Buildings ; where he, having sometime since obtain'd a Grant for a Gate into Hyde Park, is now erecting the same, as also a Lodge, for a Keeper constantly to attend thereat, at his own proper Cost and Charges ; and which will very speedily be open'd, for the Conveniency of the Nobility and Gentry inhabiting those Parts. In the Center of those new Buildings there is now making a new Square, call'd Grosvenor Square, which for its Largeness and Beauty, will far exceed Any yet made in or about London."

ALFRED F. BOBBINS.

FILEY BAY : MANORIAL CUSTOM. The following, taken from The Eastern Morning News of 23 September, deserves to come into the net of ' N. & Q.' :

" A RELIC OP FEUDALISM. Yesterday the lord of the manor of Hunmanby and Filey exercised his manorial right of having a net drawn round the full sweep of Filey Bay from the White Rocks to Filey Brigg, a distance of five miles. The net was drawn by two horses, and extended a bow- shot from the shore. It is some years since the right was enforced."

AYLMER'S ' HISTORY OF IRELAND,' 1650. Among the Irish books enumerated in 'Biblio- theca ex omni Facultate Librorum ' (C. Majoris), 8vo, Mechlin, 1767, is a copy of Aylmer's 'History of Ireland,' printed at Louvain in 1650, an edition which is appa- rently undescribed by bibliographers.

DANIEL HIPWELL.

WE must request correspondents desiring in- formation on family matters of only private interest to affix their names and addresses to their queries, in order that answers may be sent to them direct.

"THON": " THONDER." Thon is used for yon, as the third or most remote of the three demonstratives, this, that, and thon, in Scotland, and to some extent in the Northern counties of England. Thonder = yonder, extends further into England, and, with its variants thander, thender, thinder, appears as far south as Hereford, Northants, and East Anglia. We have no examples of these before 1804, when thon is quoted by Jamieson from a minor Scottish poet, W. Tarras, whose history and locality are unknown to me. I do not remember thon in Allan Ramsay or Burns ; the latter was " wae to think upo' yon den," not "thon den." But thon may occur also, and we should be glad of any instances before 1800. J. A. H. MURRAY.

" THORPSMAN." In Walter White's ' Eastern England ' (1865), vol. ii. p. 18, the writer, referring to -thorp in local names, says : "In some of the old manuscripts villagers are called thorpsmen." In Robin- son's ' Glossary of Whitby ' (1876) " Thorps- men, villagers," is given from " Old local print," whence it is included in ' Eng. Dial. Diet.' Both references are too vague to be verified. To us thorps-men is known only as one of the numberless made-up words in the Preface to N. Fairfax's ' Bulk and Selvedge of the World,' 1674, and we should be glad to learn of its occurrence anywhere else in book or MS. Thorp as a separate word for "village" is itself rare, and proof of actual use of the thorpsman is desirable. J. A. H. MURRAY. Oxford.

CROSBY HALL ROOF. There is an article in The Art Journal for March, 1851, p. 84, describing the collection of casts and original objects illustrating mediaeval art brought together by Lewis N. Cottingham, a well- known architect of the last century. The following passage occurs in the course of the article :

'The most important work in wood-carving possessed by Mr. Cottingham is the highly en- riched pannelled ceiling of oak which was taken irom the Council Chamber of Crosby Hall. It is in the best state of preservation, and has its corbels, spandrils, pendants, &c., painted and gilt, being remarkable as one of the finest