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THOMAS HARE (11 S. ii. 509). Is G. F. R. B. certain that he has given the name and place correctly ? An examination of various books fails to show that a Thomas Hare ever was born here, ever married here, ever lived here, or ever died here.

ALBERT MATTHEWS. Boston, U.S.

MONTAGU GERRARD DRAKE (11 S. iii. 29). William Mountague of Little Okely, Northants, in his will, dated 30 July, 1702 (P.C.C. 197 Eedes), refers to his great-grand- son Montagu Garrard (Gerard) Drake. G. F. R. B. may find this reference of use. There are other Drakes mentioned in the will. F. S. SNELL.

JAMES FORSYTE (11 S. iii. 25). I re- member very well James Forsyth as a class- fellow and companion at the Grammar School of Aberdeen in 1848-51. Thereafter we were at Marischal College and University together for four years. At the close of that period a number of our fellow-students gained commissions in the regular army by competition, and in the H.E.I. C.'s forces by presentation of Cadetships by one of the directors, who was, or had been, Lord Rector. James Forsyth' s, I think, was one of the presentations. He must, at the time of his receiving it, have been 17 or 18 years of age. His father was the Rev. James Forsyth, D.D., minister of the West Parish Church, Aberdeen. ALEX. WARRACK.

Oxford.

THOMAS CORYAT AND WESTMINSTER SCHOOL (11 S. iii. 29). Probably Mr. Cousin wrote Westminster by mistake for Win- chester. In the late Mr. Kirby's 'Win- chester Scholars,' at p. 153, one Thomas Coryat occurs as the last on the roll for 1590. The entry is as follows :

"Coryat, Thomas, (10) Odcombe. Qy. the traveller and author of ' Crudities.' "

JOHN B. WAINE WRIGHT.

In Gorton's ' Biographical Dictionary ' it is stated that Coryat was educated at Westminster. The ' Dictionary ' notice is based on Wood's ' Athenae Oxonienses ' and the ' Biographia Britannica.'

W. SCOTT.

" ELZE "= ALREADY (11 S. iii. 25). This elze, " already," is only a particular use of the general form else, and is so explained both in the ' N.E.D.' and ' E.D.D.,' with illustrative examples. The former quotes

Gawin Douglas and Montgomery, and reminds us that it is in Ray's ' Glossary of North-Country Words,' reprinted by me for the E.D.S. Ray has : " Else, adv. before, already. ' I have done that else, i.e. already.' ' The derivation is from the A.-S. elles, not, as Jamieson suggests, from the A.-S. ealles, which is an unrelated word, and means " wholly." The senses are : otherwise, in another way ; also, at another time, formerly, already.

WALTER W. SKEAT.

If MR. BAYNE has access to a copy of Sir Thomas Dick Lauder on ' The Great Floods of August, 1829, in Morayshire,' 3rd ed., Elgin., 1873, he will find the word else used in the sense of " already." The quotation in which it occurs refers to the rising flood endangering an ornamental structure in his grounds :

'" John,' said I to the gardener as he was open- ing the gate that led to it, ' I fear our temple may be in some danger if this goes on ! ' ' Ow, sir, it 's awa' else.' "

ALEX. WARRACK.

Oxford.

ROYAL CHRISTMASES AT GLOUCESTER ( 1 1 S. ii. 501). With reference to Gloucester's position as an administrative centre in Saxon and Norman times see Freeman's observa- tions in his * Norman Conquest,' ii. 61 and iv. 393, 623, and 690. Both Robert, Duke of Normandy, son of William the Conqueror, and Edward II. are buried in the Cathedral.

N. W. HILL

SS. PROTHUS AND HYACINTHUS (11 S. ii. 528). From ' Studies in Church Dedica- tions ' (pp. 141-2) it seems probable that the church of Blisland, near Bodmin, is the only English ascription to St. Protus, whose name has been sometimes rendered Pratt. Miss Arnold-Forster does not identify him with Protasius, Bishop of Milan, who was a friend of St. Athanasius ; for, she says, " the evidence of Blisland feast-day [formerly September 11] points us to another saint, a certain very apocryphal martyr, commemorated at Rome, together with his companion St. Hyacinthus, on September 11, under the reign of the Emperor Gallienus. His story may be found in Baring- Gould's ' Lives of the Saints,' where it forms part of the romantic and fabulous Acts of a certain high-born damsel, St. Eugenia." The name of St. Protus was to be found in the Calendars of York, Sarum, and Hereford.

ST. SWITHIN. [W. S. S. also thanked for reply.]