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NOTES AND QUERIES. [ii s. in. FEB. 25, 1911.

" More Labours, More Thread Papers.'' At least this meant the preservation of the ' Ode to Chloe's Eyebrows,' &c. I cannot give MB. J. HOLDEN MACMICHAEL'S chapter and verse. Thread papers were in use, at least for embroidery silks, during the last decade. ALECK ABRAHAMS.

LADY O'LOONEY'S EPITAPH (11 S. iii. 108). See also 10 S. vii. 135. Mrs. Jane Molony's epitaph from which the alleged Pewsey version is apparently made up is given in extenso in the Appendix of ' Antiente Epitaphs,' collected by Thomas F. Raven- shaw, M.A., F.S.A. (1878). It was copied by Mr. Ravenshaw in 1877. The Pewsey version appears in ' Epitaphs and Epi- grams ' (4th ed.), 1869, exactly as recorded by SENESCENS at the above reference.

JOHN T. PAGE.

Long Itchington, Warwickshire.

MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME AS CHILDREN'S SURNAME (11 S. iii. 107). This was common, not only in Fifeshire, but all over the kingdom, as ' N. & Q.' pedigree com- pilers, will searchers, &c., can abundantly testify. Even in peerages it is common. Thus :

" The name of Montjoie adopted by Sir Walter Blount from the surname of a maternal ancestor must have carried with it some chivalric associa- tions to the ears of those who had taken part in the French wars." ' Hall of Lawford Hall,' p. 190.

The instances from every county are so numerous, and would take up so much space in ' N. & Q.,' that a bare mention ought to suffice. The old question of double Christian names confirms this. As an early instance, we may take the entry on 18 January, 1592, when Robert Browne, son of John Lillie, Esq., was baptized at Mexborough, Yorkshire. He was afterwards known as Robert Browne Lilly (Burn, ' Reg. Ecc. Parochialis,' p. 80). I take it that an inspection of the pedigree would reveal that Brown is not a real Christian name so much as the mother's maiden name.

A. RHODES.

There may be a practice in Fifeshire of children, born in lawful wedlock, taking the mother's rather than the father's name, but I at least have never heard of it. At the same time, it is quite possible that there may be occasional instances unknown to me. Be it remembered that in Scotland (up to comparatively recent times, at least) any person, come to years of discretion, and having no unlawful purpose in view, could assume whatever name he pleased, without

the formalities attending such a change in England. I have in mind while writing a prominent Scottish journalist who many years ago and while in the prime of life made such a change. For information on the subject generally, perhaps help might be derived from Prof. Cosmo Innes's ' Con- cerning some Scotch Surnames/ published at Edinburgh, 1860. W. S. S.

GEOFFREY POLE (11 S. iii. 45, 112). Thanks are due to MR. DIXON from all interested in the Poles of the blood royal for his communication at the last reference. He is probably aware of three printed pedigrees of this family, viz : A, that in the ' Harl. Soc. Publ.,' liii. 89 ; B, that in Berry' c ' Hants Genealogies,' 168 ; and C, that in ' Sussex Archaeological Collections,' xxi. 74. A and C largely support the authority cited by MR. DIXON.

With reference to these pedigrees and MR. DIXON' s contributions several observa- tions and questions suggest themselves.

(1) Geoffrey's mother. A and C agree with MR. DIXON (at 9 S. ix. 468) in making his mother a Constance Pakenham ; but A calls her father Sir Edward, C Sir John, and ' Harl. Soc. Publ.,' liii. 76, Sir Edmund. Was he Sir John Pakington (as to whom see ' D.N.B.') ? If not, who was he ? Her will dated 12 August, 1570, was proved in London 20 September following.

B says that Geoffrey's mother was Bona Maria, daughter of John Da[n]vers of Cothorpe (? Copcourt), co. Oxon. In ' Karl. Soc. Publ.,' v. 187, Bova, daughter of John Danvers of Ipwell (wherever this may be), and Banbury, is said to have married Sir " Jefery Joole " of Buckingham. To whom was this lady married, and what was her real name ?

(2) His brothers and sisters. As was stated at 9 S. x. 18, he had four brothers. Their names were Arthur, Thomas, Edmund, and Henry. All died without issue. Of his six sisters, one is stated at the above reference to have been a Brigittine nun. She was not one of the old nuns enclosed 1 August, 1557, when Syon House was restored as a nunnery. What was her name, and when did she become a nun ?

The other five were all married ; Catherine to Anthony Fortescue (9 S. vii. 327, 435 ; viii. 73, 449 ; ix. 53) ; Elizabeth to William or Edward Nevill, concerning whom further particulars would be welcome ; Margaret to Walter, sixth son of William, second Lord Windsor (Brydges, 'Collins's Peerage,' i"