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NOTES AND QUERIES, [n s. vm. SEPT. e, 1913.

We may, perhaps, arrive at a solution of the problem from the following sketch pedigree : -

A noble Danish knight.

Herfast (Planche, ' The Conqueror and his Companions,' i. 190).

Gunnora=pRichard I., Duke of Normandy, (Planche, I f960.

ib.)

Osberne Fitz-Herfast, Dapifer to Duke Robert.

Assassinated in 1040 (Round's 'Studies in

Peerage and Family History,' 205).

William Fitz-Osberne.

At Battle of Senlac.

Slain in Flanders, 22 Feb., 1071.

(Planche^ &., i. 179.)

I

Fulbert, Chamberlain

to Duke Robert, afterwards Lord of Croy.

Richard II. , Duke

of Normandy,

t!026.

Raynald

Adela =

(Banks's ' Dormant and Extinct Baronage,' iii. 352).

John, Lord of Croy.

Arlotte, mistress of Robert IL, Duke of Normandy, by whom he had

William the Conqueror. 11087.

If we eliminate Raynald, and make John the- son of Fulbert, the whole pedigree, it will be noticed, would be upset. No mention is made by Planche in his above-mentioned work of John, Lord o.f Croy, having been present at the Battle of Senlac, though his father-in-law, William Fitz - Osberne, is named as being there. Had John been Arlotte's brother, one might have expected that he would be found present at the battle in the train of his nephew, William the Conqueror. Apparently he was not, and I think his absence may mean that he only came over with William on the return of the latter from his visit to Normandy in 1067. If this supposition is correct, it would account for no mention being made by Planche of his presence at Senlac.

Taking all the circumstances into con- sideration, I venture to suggest that John, Lord of Croy, was grandson, and not son, of Fulbert, Lord of Croy.

FRANCIS H. HELTON.

9, Broughton Road, Thornton Heath.

^ MR. PATRICK GRAY should not trust to "books of the peerage " ; they have led him to this that John de Grey, who married in 1251, w r as grandson of a holder of lands in 1086, whose father-in-law died in 1155. Leaving these interesting instances of lon- gevity aside, Paulinus Peyvre of Toddington, co. Beds, died about 1250-51, and the i marriage of his widow Joan was given to ! Stephen de Salinis (Pat. R. Hen. III., Rolls j Series, iv. 104). Joan was distinctly bored

(tcedio affecta) by this arrangement, and married John de Grey without royal licence, whereon he was fined 500 marks (Exc. Rot. Fin., ii. 119), but made his peace for 50 marks. In 1256 Joan died, and John de Grey misbehaved himself at her funeral (parum exhibuit honoris et reuerencie) ; thus the Dunstable chronicler (' Ann. Mon.,' iii. 182, 202). G. H. F.

Rolla, or Fulbert, had a son John, Lord de Croy, who married Adela, daughter and coheir of Wm. Fitz Osbert, and had issue Sir Arnold de Grey, Lord of Water Eaton, &c. He married Joan, daughter and heir of James, Lord of Pont de 1'Arche, and had a son Anschetil de Grai, who held several manors in 1086. His son Richard de Grey, benefactor to Eynsham Abbey in 1110, 'married Mabilia, and had as heir Anschetil de Gray, who married Eva, daughter of Baldwin de Redvers, whose son and heir, Henry de Grey, had a grant of Turrock, Essex, from Richard I. in 1194. He married Isolda, niece and coheir of Robert Bardolph. Their second son, John de Grey of Eaton, Bucks, was Justice of Chester in 1248, and died 1265, having married Emma, daughter and heir of Geoffrey de Glanville.

This, briefly, is the information required by MR. PATRICK GRAY. Should he desire further information, I shall be pleased to assist him. HARRY QUILTER.

159, St. Saviour's Road East, Leicester.