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NOTES AND QUERIES. [iis.x. OCT. 21,1914.

" Darum haben die Cotter fiir tins das Podagra, weil vvir nicht fromrn sind."

5. Le vin est verse" ; il faut le boire. Thackeray makes use of this saying in ' Esmond,' bk. i. chap. v. :

" 'Mr. Holt, qui pensait a tout,' says Blaise, 'gets

off his horse and says, " The wine is drawn,

M. le Marquis, we must drink it."'

The inventor of a proverb, like the maker of a ballad, must in most cases remain unknown. EDWAJSD BENSLY.

(11 S. x. 290.)

A. B will find the lines in The Sunday at Home for May, 1910. The full stanza there reads :

Out of the strain of the doing

Into the peace of the done ; Out of the thirst of pursuing

Into the rapture of won ; Out of grey mist into brightness ;

Out of pale dusk into dawn ; Out of all wrong into Tightness,

We from these fields shall be gone. " Nay," say the saints, " not gone, but come Into eternity's Harvest Home "

GEO. WALLIS. 106, Birchanger Road, South Norwood, S.E.

WALTER BAGEHOT : PRONUNCIATION OF NAME (11 S. x. 289). The widow of this distinguished man, who resides in Kensing- ton, pronounces the name with the g soft, and with the t sounded. M.D.

In a list of peculiarly pronounced proper names in ' Who 's Who Year-Book, 1912- 1913,' Bagehot is set down as " Badg-ut." That may be correct ; but just above is Baden - Powell Baydon - Po'ell, which, according to my experience, should have its w, and rime with " towel."

ST. SWITHIN.

FRANCE AND ENGLAND QUARTERLY (US. x. 281). But is there any evidence that the arms of Anjou (Azure, seme-de-lis or the ancient coat of France) date earlier than the year 1297, when the County was erected into a Duchy by King Philip the Fair (IV.) of France ? The English kings, Henry II., Richard I., John (who lost Anjou), Henry III., and Edward I., certainly used as a badge the broom (plantagenista Planta- Angevenista, or Anjou plant ?) of their ancestor Geoffrey, Count of Anjou. The slab of champleve enamel of Limoges, which formed part of the tomb of Geoffrey Plan- tagenet, formerly in the cathedral, is now preserved in the local museum at Le Mans. Thereon he holds a large shield, pointed

and curved, charged with eight lions ram- pant. Their heads are somewhat eagle- like in character, and the spots discernible upon their backs suggest an intention to reproduce leopards, although their attitude is that which in early heraldry was con- sidered especially leonine. See G. W. Eve's ' Decorative Heraldry,' pp. 96-8.

Mr. E. E. Dorling in ' Leopards of Eng- land,' p. 16, says :

" I have seen it stated on what authority I know not that King Edward [III.] did at first place the leopards of England in the first quarter, whereupon the French King, Philip, remonstrated, saying in effect that he did not so much mind Edward quartering the arms of France, since his mother was a French princess, but that he really must protest against the English King setting the first quarter of his arms with the leopards before the quarter with the lilies. ' It doth grieve us much,' he said, ' making apparent to the beholders that the little isle of England is to be preferred before the great realm of France/ However that may be, the men of the middle ages saw, after the capture of John of France at the battle of Poitiers, nothing to question in Edward's bearing of the lilies of France, for it was a principle of the law of arms that if any man were made prisoner of war his arms with all else that he had became the just prize of his captor."

In 1706, on the passing of the Act of Union with Scotland, in the Royal coat of Queen Anne the arms of England and Scotland, united by impalement, were placed in the first and fourth quarters ; France was deposed from the pride of place which she had held since 1340, and placed in the second quarter, Ireland being retained in her original position in the third ; and it was not until this shield was devised that the quarters of sovereignty were for the first time made to correspond with the order of the Royal titles.

A. R. BAYLEY.

" WE " OR " I " IN AUTHORSHIP (11 S. x. 288). The following notes may be useful as a contribution towards an answer to this interesting qiiery.

Bacon in ' Sylva Sj^lvarum ' (1627), as in his Essays, uses " I " when speaking of his own personal observations, but has " we " occasionally in explanatory passages addressed directly to the reader, as in the introduction to Century VI., where he says :

" Our Experiments we take to be, (as we have often said,) either Experimenia Fructijera, or Lucifcra. . . .Yet because we must apply our Selves somewhat to Others, wo will set down some Curiosities touching Plants."

Sir Thomas Browne, who speaks in the first person singular in ' Religio Medici,' uses " we " in ' Pseudodoxia Epidemica ' (1646)