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NOTES AND QUERIES. [ii s. i. FEB. 19, 1910.

(i KICKING UP BOB'S-A-DYING." When anybody in my part of East Cornwall made a loud outcry about some physical punish- ment or pain, we used to say he was ' ' Kick- ing up Bob's-a-dying. n Is the expression familiar elsewhere, and what is its origin ?

R. BOBBINS.

" No REDEEMING VICE." Who said this, and of whom ? and where is it recorded ?

NOTA.

C. W. S. D. HOLMES was admitted to Westminster School 20 April, 1808. I should be glad to obtain any information concern- ing him. He was, I believe, a member of the family of Holmes of Apuldercombe, Isle of Wight, but his name does not appear in Burke's ' Extinct Baronetage.'

G. F. R.'B.

STEPHEN CHARLES TBIBOUDET DEMAIN- BBAY (1710-82). What was the maiden name of his first wife, and when did she die ? When did he marry Home Tooke's sister as his second wife ? The * Diet. Nat. Biog.,' xiv. 330, gives no assistance. I should be glad to know where I could find any autho- rity for the statement that he was educated at Westminster School. G. F. R. B.

SIB FBANCIS DESANGES (D. 1860). He was Sheriff of London 1817-18. Whom did he marry, and what family had he ?

G. F. R. B.

HARTLEY WINTNEY NUNNERY, HAMP- SHIRE. Any references to the above will be welcome. JOHN HAUTENVILLE COPE.

18, Harrington Court, S.W.

ARMS ON SILVER Box. The following coat of arms is engraved on an old silver box in my possession. I give what appear to be the tinctures : Argent, a saltire engrailed sable. Crest, a ship. I shall be glad to know the family to whom this coat belongs. F. R. R.

BRUCE' s FOLLOWERS IN 1306. In a history of ' Edward I. in the North,' attri- buted to Dr. Taylor (pp. 284-5), there is given a list of the principal supporters o: Bruce in the North, amongst whom are named the Earl of Athol, the Bishop of Moray, " Alan de Moravia of Culbin, Sir William de Fentoun of Beauford, William de Dolays of Cantray, John de la Haye,' and several others. I should be gratefu to readers who could refer me to any autho rity for this list. A. CALDER.

' SHORT WHIST ' : C. B. COLES. (10 S. xii. 264, 318, 357 ; 11 S. i. 90.)

AT the last of these references MR. RALPH THOMAS dealt with the question whether harles Barwell Coles was an alumnus of Winchester College, by stating that ' ' his lame is not in Kirby's list of ' Scholars ' ; t is on the College Register, but the authori- ties have no information about him." With deference, that statement is not strictly accurate. Having searched the College Register from which Mr. Kirby^s list was compiled, I am able to say that it does not contain the name of Charles Barwell Coles'. This is a Register of the boys who were admitted as Scholars on the foundation ; and it was not until 1836 that any book (or at least any book known to be extant) was kept, that could be called a " Register,' 1 of the other boys at the School, the Com- moners. To find the names of the Com- moners, one has to turn to the annual School rolls (the "long rolls''), and these formerly gave merely surnames.

From 1723 to 1812 two only of these rolls (those of 1799 and 1810) contained the name of " Coles.'* If Charles Barwell Coles was born (as is probable) in or about 1783, he may be the " Coles " of 1799, who, as he held a place more than half-way up the School, had probably come from some other educational establishment ; and there are grounds for suggesting that this Coles was Charles Barwell. Records of the annual Wykehamist dinners in London have happily been preserved, and " C. B. Coles " is on the list of Wykehamists who attended the dinner of 1815. Moreover, James Robinson Hay- ward, who was secretary of the dinner from about 1810 to 1837 (The Hampshire Chronicle of 8 May, 1837, states that at that year's dinner a silver cup was given to him upon his approaching retirement from the secretary- ship), kept an address -book for the purpose of sending out notices of the dinner. " C. B. Coles, Esq., 20, Bruton Street, " is one of the addresses in this book. Is it known whether Charles Barwell Coles ever lived there ? According to ' Boyle l of 1835, he was then living at 35, Allsop's Terrace (Terrace Chambers), Marylebone. As J. R. Hay- ward became Scholar at Winchester in 1802, he entered the School about two years after the Coles of 1799 had left.

MR. THOMAS says that it would be interest- ing to know where C. B. Coles was born.